Ok MrTactics your turn to tell us how stupid and childish we are, for voicing our opinions of the current version of Tanki. LOL

I stick to my belief that the re-balance was about getting people to spend crystals. Plain and simple. I would not be surprised if after the latest poll and sale another re-balance is not far off. This time nerfing rico back to where it was, and putting thunder and smokey back where they belong. They already knew would the results where going to be. I also said , repeatedly they need to stop re-balancing existing equipment and offer alternative and new equipment. I think the game is made free, as a form of free advertising. The goal is to get as many people playing and talking about it as possible. This is just smart business. I also think we need to consider the fact that Russians are not accustomed to a democratic way of doing things. Those that live in a democratic society are used to having a voice. This may explain the lack of response from the Tanki Staff. They may feel that "This is the way it is going to be and that is final." and do not have to respond. This is hard for someone like me to accept. I hate being forced to spend money to play. It is much better if you get people to spend because they want to. Sure I don't have to buy, but to stay competitive you do and that I did because I wanted to. Since the re-balance all my money has to go towards supplies, just to stay alive long enough to have fun. That is being forced upon me, if I want to play. Someones skill and abilities is less important now. With every battle being a drug battle, even people with little skill can do about the same as those with lots of skill. This is not true if you play PRO battles. Skill matters. But wait you have to pay for those.

I agree the game was more fun. I don't understand the need to kill everything with a single shot. Dying every 10 seconds is NOT fun. In my opinion the short range guns are too strong, the long range guns are good but only for long range. There is a huge hole where the medium range guns used to be. If your using a long range, and a short range gun, especially freeze, gets to you your dead. You can't defend your self. In my opinion freeze is the most annoying gun in the game. It isn't even based off of any known technology. Freeze users are are worse then druggers. You paralyze you prey so you can kill them. Try using a gun you need to aim. Every battle, except PRO, are now drug wars.

Well at least now we know what hazel has been up to. Not sure if this means he will finally have the time to look at what we have been complaining about or that he is finished with the rebalance, and is moving on. Hopefully he will take the time to let us know.

I agree with everything you have said. I really love your idea I hi-lighted. I'd join one of those for sure. I would like to add that I hope the devs will read this whole thread carefully. There are some really good ideas being discussed here. To the MODS. Can you please inform the DEVS ,it is time to read this stuff.

Just a quick point. Instead re-balance they could have introduced new versions of hulls and turrets. Like duplicates of existing one only with new parameters. In real life manufactures build new versions but don't take back the old. Tanki could do the same. This way you get more people buying (more money for Tanki), no-one gets nerfed, and game gets more interesting because you not sure which version of an item your facing the first time you see it. "hmm do I run or do I attack?" "Can that thunder kill me or not?" Another idea, and yes I know about the ideas thread, is to make some new paints that are completely custom. They could be based on camouflaging ones tank (again a huge real life tactic) with custom parameters you set your self. This will help to add a new dimension as well. Harder to kill what you can't see, especially when you can't tell what they are protected from, just by the brightly coloured paints we all wear now.

I read your post. You are absolutely right about the fact that buyers need to be motivated to buy crystals. Problem now is, how can you expect someone to be motivated to spend crystals on something that may not be there tomorrow? Adjusting parameters slightly to help balance is one thing, but completely altering a hull or turrets characteristics is something else. People bought thunder because of it's characteristics not smokeys. Or if we wanted viking to be like dictator we would have bought dictator. I personally don't care about a refund anymore. I just want someone to say "Ok we hear you and will be a little more careful next time"

He just can't except the fact that his beloved Tanki could ever do anything wrong. I wonder if he wants to buy this really nice piece of swamp land I have for sale. LOL Is the 50% off sale, on MU's, going to be followed by the completion of the re-balance? After all, Tanki did say the re-balance was not final. Hopefully they nerf something that Mr.Tactics spent his hard earned cash on, then maybe he will understand our point of view.

A sale. They must be finishing the re-balance they said is not final. "Buyer Beware" I guess. I don't trust them.

Posted 06 May 2014 - 16:07 Canadian_Eh, on 05 May 2014 - 12:46, said: I agree, there are a few good ideas. But to be honest it is clouded out by the majority who show no evidence of having mental capabilities whatsoever . People like, people dislike. Rebalance always changes and it isn't something that can be done overnight. I'm sure they may be able to fish out some plausible comments both negative and positive for another rebalance they will do (it will always happen). Many people are saying things in order to get a response, it would be unprofessional and quite frankly a waste of time for developers to sit on the forum and explain / argue their case and reasoning no matter how right or wrong they are. If it is a response needed, I can guarantee you won't get one. However I am sure they will take some plausible comments in order for future development. Edited by MrTactics, 06 May 2014 - 16:08. One question. Is your name ? Because if it is not I was not talking to you.

MrTactics I'm am very sorry you can't understand my point. I don't know how many more ways I can explain it. The problem is no longer about what they did, it is about how they did it. I will keep it simple for you. Many buyers have lost trust in the decisions made by the developers and will no longer be spending money to buy crystals. Buyers pay for the game. If buyer stop buying there will be less money for Tanki. Ignoring people who pay you for things is bad business. I'm sure you will have to put your spin on things again, so go ahead. I really don't care about your opinion anyway. My issue is with Tanki's unethical business practices not you. So stop trying to make every thing I say look like it is being posted by some uneducated person or a child. In some people's eyes you are starting to make yourself look stupid.

I was talking too both of you.

@ MrTactics I just read your response after i posted so I edited. Now we are haveing a real conversation. I do see your point, and wanted to acknowledge your comments. I agree the re-balance has good points and bad points. I'm more unhappy about the fact that no one from Tanki has made a statement regarding the many unhappy players. As an adult it is very difficult to be treated like I don't matter, and this is the way I feel when they aren't even willing to discuss options. I am not the only one who feels this way. The re-balance was handled very poorly, in my opinion. You don't ask everyone what they want to buy on sale, put that product on sale and then turn around and exchange it for a different product. That is bad business and some buyers are voicing their distrust and are unwilling to spend hard earned money on hulls and turrets that will be changed so drastically. Not even taking the time to respond to this problem is also bad business. If some one uses bad business practices too much, it will eventually cause a problem. As I mentioned before their are options. After discussions with others, this is one option. I'll use viking as an example. Many preferred the last version, many prefer the new version. Leave the old version, add the new version and call it Viking Mk.2. If variety is what people want, this will give it to them. They already have the physics and parameters for both. How hard would it be to just add a newer updated version along side the old? I don't think posting ideas in the idea section always works because good ideas just get buried with all the stupid ideas. Anyone who as read some of the posts there, knows what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about all the comments left in this thread, and the last, about how the devs have made changes in a negative way. Or how unhappy many people are. If you would like I could spend the time to quote everyone that is upset, so they are all in one post. May be very large and time consuming.

Are you going to address any of these comments and growing number of unhappy players or are you just going ignore it and hope it will all go away? We have some really good solutions if you care to listen.

I agree. They will never balance the game, for every reason you mention. You mention how hard it is for non buyers. Do non buyers have any idea how much money it costs to buy enough crystals to buy m2 then m3 turrets and hulls with all the micro upgrades? Lots of players started to build for their future garage at the m2 level, assuming that when they where able to buy m3 , it would still be what they wanted. I guess we assumed wrong. This is why so many do not wish to take the gamble of buying truck loads of crystals, with such an unstable set of parameters that can change at any time, making previous purchases pointless. and a waste of money.

When did tanki become all about high speed, high paced game play. It's a tank game (well at least it used to be) your supposed to use strategy and tactics. Now it's more like need for speed with guns. Some times not moving is a better strategy, movement reveals your position. Kinda hard to do now.

Just add your name to growing list of ignored and angry players thinking of leaving. The deafening silence from the people in charge speaks louder then words anyway. Some feel the silence means they are thinking, to me it means "We couldn't care less about what you think"

Thanks. You just keep making my points for me. LOL This only accounts for the largest group of users. :rolleyes:

Maybe we should all do this. Maybe then they may pay attention. Unfortunately they wouldn't miss us because there will be hundreds, if not thousands of new unaware players joined up by June. The cycle starts again. LOL Their silence speaks louder then words.

Exactly what happened. Instead of making turrets stronger and hulls weaker they should have gone the other way. I'd rather stay alive longer and kill less then to die every 10 secs. NOT FUN. If I could stay alive longer, then I could use the best weapon I have MY BRAIN. There is very little strategy now. More luck then anything.

Actually this is a very good point. Why didn't the devs think of this? If they made mistakes in the last rebalance what is to say they didn't make mistakes this time. Which they did. Firebird is OP for ranks that get it. Burn time of 30secs or something like that is crazy. Any way what I was going to say was what happens in 6 months to a year? Are the buyers going to have to pay for these mistakes AGAIN? It happened to Mammoth users when the new physics came out, now the Viking users, who's next. Maybe the rail users? What is really starting to bother me is the fact that no one the Tanki Team has even taken the time to make a statement of any kind to the growing number of disappointed buyers and high rank players. At least take the time to say something " We hear you and are reviewing the matter " or " We hear you and don't care " either one would be good, at least that way we would know where we stand, and weather or not we are just wasting our time here.

Will the 2 versions be connected to each other? Will they share data? Also do you now if the devs are doing anything about a linux version?

In my opinion there are 2 distinct issues at hand. Issue #1. The changing of parameters. If your upset about having to relearn how to use a certain combo or even switch to and learn a new combo. Over time, this will be gotten over and forgotten. I personally don't have a big issue with most of the changes. I will adjust my game play and carry on. Issue #2. Is the lack of consideration for the fact that real money and/or large amounts of time have, for some , been wasted or lost. Remember the higher the M level and amount of micro upgrades the greater the cost to switch combos if your garage doesn't have these items. This is the issue I have a problem with. I still feel as if the re-balance, needed or not, was handled poorly. I also still feel as if some of the changes where made to force people to spend more crystals. Trying to get people to spend more money is great. I had no problem spending hundreds of dollars, before the re-balance. What I do have a problem with is taking away what I already paid for. What would be nice is, if Tanki would say "We are sorry for having to make these changes, but they are necessary for the future of the game. We understand you have invested a great deal of time and/or money in building you garage. To help offset the loss and/or damage to your garage, here is something to help compensate for that." What the 'something' is, I really have no idea. That's something they can figure out. But it needs to be pretty good and, as someone else suggested, based off what you had in your garage before the re-balance. I'm not talking about people who have only been playing for a few months and are low rank. The impact to these people is not as severe as it is to those who have spent the better part of the last year or more, since the last re-balance, and countless number of dollars getting things just the way they want them. I want to explain how I think they are forcing people to spend more, from the point of view of many I have talked to and from what I have witnessed in recent days. First is the fact that many players seem to be dying with much greater frequency, so to stop that, they use drugs and a health pack more frequently. I had to use a health pack and be fully healed twice by an isdia after 1 firebird attack.This happened several times in that game. Sure I could have just let myself dye, but I was defending the flag. I have gone threw more supplies since the re-balance then I did the whole month before. Because isida's healing capabilities where reduced so much, sometimes they can't heal you in time and you have to, again, use a health pack. With the popular hulls being weaker overall, sometimes the drugs you just put on get wasted because you just got 1 shoted by something. This is also happening much more frequently. Secondly is the necessity to rebuild garages, according to most of the people I have talked to, and several who have posted that in their own words. I'm not saying these are necessarily bad things. After all Tanki Online is a business. I just want to let people know what I think is the reason behind some of the changes.

do your # of ban days decrease over time, with no other violations?