Ok @The_Great_Killer :) was nice having you for so many years since before update 123. I guess this is goodbye and adios time :( ..... ohhh wait !!! na, you're not going anywhere :p I'll see you on unity side mate :D (hugs, kisses and all my compliments to the family :) )

sick man, new heart, cloning, controversy, surrogate, death, successful clone, ...... EPIC MOVIE btw your first analogy was fine :)

hehe you sound like my kind of 2-player guy who'll know how to have real fun over this :lol: :lol:

Well AZ your mind seems pretty set already. I can't tell much other than have fun, I know you'll be sticking around and try the unity as soon as it comes out and I do hope the wait will be worth it with special 3d sound fx while crushing lil boxes and see dem trees move :D

Hi, sorry for the longer time taken to respond , had to redownload and reinstall gimp photo editor ;) green = pretty much what's happening right now since premium was announced. Just minus the "hey we're thinking of doing this, submit all your suggestions and we'll take ideas we like exclusively from there and make the things happen" part. Reason for that is, well if you look around you, well no, too much, just look right in this topic itself, you'll get a good hint why developers cannot rely that much on players. In fact right now I'm sad about the dislike button cause the amount of red would have helped illustrate my point. But hey I don't wanna elaborate on that into further details or they'll go mad at me saying I'm very insulting and rude etc .... u know the usual ;) Now with all that said that doesn't mean the devs won't be asking feedback. feedback of players have already had an impact on the premium paint we all didn't like. And future feedback from players will very likely even allow devs to add new stuff they haven't considered yet into the premium in the future. That kind of stuff btw happened on many occasions where devs integrated feedback of players into something they've had recently launched. Pro pass and SMP are not changing for normal non-premium players :)

Sure :) Do read my comments of today, they discuss just all about those nerfing and balancing and sales thing. Enjoy the read sir :) Hey I remember that kit :D and was quite tempted too ^_^ , but honestly I figured out I'd eventually get rock individually on a sales sometime which is far more superior than urban IMO. Same for inferno I could get it on a sale with a little patience and without having to pay for a silly splash I'd have never used anyway. oh wait no, I didn't get inferno back then, went for sexy taiga, extremely versatile paint, good MU options, still use it till this day. Inferno came later on as an alternative paint for XP believe it or not :p See post I addressed to canadian_eh above. Devs did mention all this from the beginning. Also at that time they were really working on a replacement mechanism. But then something happened. FLASH. And the more time they spent writing it, the more it became apparent that this was an uphill battle. They still didn't just abandon and got real stubborn with it, for MONTHS! Sadly on this occasion and at that stage flash quirks prevailed more and more, and the more they tried doing something about it, the more troublesome the whole thing were proving to be. Now were they supposed to come out and openly tell you all that so all mults would know it even better? Please see http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289674&view=findpost&p=5075559

Sami "opened" your eyes ?!? :huh: With speculations and slander ?? normally i put a .gif here, but facedesk, cba this time the vote .ahk script, i remember when you first had the idea, I actually even still remember when you first found autohotkey :D your script is a nice, nifty little workaround. Is it a global solution to a much more bigger and complex problem? No. Why? Blame flash + check the massive green post of mine above + blame flash ever more and even harder Just so you know, right now at moment of typing I'm trying to integrate a response to this post after seeing the red line. When devs announced they would start developing on unity they mentioned all these things. I even still recall stuff about these very things being talked about in early vlogs. Remember those vlogs that had little fighting men next to tanks? It was around those times. Also, in our personal exchange I recall mentioning these things to you, even during the early glory days of kick 2. That's beyond a point I cannot help, not having the necessary teaching and pedagogical expertise and qualifications to do so. However creeperskelly already hinted he's nowhere near that level. That's why my previous post to him had a detailed explanation, albeit without all the technicalities, rendering it simple, but not overly dumb either. If I did that that would have been me insulting his intelligence. I may be rude and bold and a damn troll, but I will not go down to that level with someone who, in spite of a little prior heat, focussed more on the relevant dialogue instead of just merely complaining about rude attitude of le silly admin. (now off to red line ) :mellow: OK :mellow: That red line - I wish I never saw it I think imma stop replying to you now Sorry man Naaaaa, I seriously cannot answer. Night old lad

oh no! And I don't think other companies in any industry announce wayyyy in advance when they will have sales. If however you do know of such a company doing that, and if they have online sales and overseas shipping then please bro pm me :) If you've programmed for flash then you'll understand that the reason they didn't say "its impossible" but instead said "it will be a long process" is because its not impossible, flash despite being flawed on many levels, opens a lot of possibilities. But it will require tremendous efforts and super long hours of work and months to come up with a viable solution, and even that has no guarantee of success, will not necessarily be efficient, in fact the chances of it being poor at efficiency are higher, not to mention every little line they'll code will require extra CPU time, both on server and client side, and if you recall the latency in the game as it is right now is already more than what should be acceptable and tolerable. there'll be increases in instability and all that willl accelerate system instability even more , etc ...... I can go on and on and on about this. Bottom line is, the benefits outweighs the costs. Better make a new game on a platform and engine that is designed to handle all that right at its core. Please check my posts above for the sales and balancing (nerfing) please check @Yele's and 's posts about everything else I didn't answer

Fact : Mults make buyers run . Tanki loves when its buyers run Also AZ kick2 has been the oldest unlocked topic in I&S section, know why? Cause they really respect all the hard work you've put into it. Its tremendous. Is it enough though? Absolutely not. Are you to be blamed for that? Absolutely not! Then who or what to blame? Flash! What has devs freaking been doing about all that then? Unity! Seriously bro its just fancy graphics and moving trees! Oh wait no, its not!! Its also a much much more better developping platform and engine allowing devs to realistically implement anti-multing mechanisms which are even better than kick 2 has been proposing so far.

I never said he did insult any of them. Just seizing the opportunity to pick on my fellow colleagues a little :p They'll get the banter. But facetiousness aside, I am not wielding axes or swords at creeperskelly. If I was I wouldn't be bothered to take all that time to type the above explaining to him the vantage point of devs when it comes to announcements. Something I'm not paid to do during my free-time on a Saturday night, and something creeper will know no other company would even bother to discuss about in a public forum As for the wiki ,, hehe , they've got new people for that :) Little by little I'm sure it'll pick up :)

1) mate its not like XT is being given away for free to a bunch of people called premiums. premiums involved they are buying it, and possibly they might even end up paying it dearer than those who got it with daily missions 2) marketing people will surely hate me for saying that , but their sales is what messes the balance of the game. basically it goes like this : Balanced game → progressively tends towards imbalance (due to player's gameplay evolving) → everyone wants sales → sales happen → everyone goes to get new things to pwn → game ends up with more of a certain types of things and less of others → players gameplay evolves again towards more imbalance → the fact that not all players think alike and so many options available further decreases the balance of the game ...... ↑ overly simplified. There's so many other things that come into play in this process. But it does help explain how sales is a major catalyst to imbalance. Sales is like the Nitro of imbalance being abused :blink: Even if guys like kovtun and strizhak and others you see in the vlogs makes a balance before the sales, the sales will obliterate that balance within a week. As a player I welcome that shaft laser to be honest. And Freeze has always been my favourite weapon of choice in this game since I started off in late 2011. Ever since it was introduced all updates it had were basically nerf updates. I don't recall that turret getting much love at all. Yet despite all that no real big wars or even drug wars was complete without a freeze. Its only very recently with the unfreezing effect of health kits and isida that we started seeing it decline a bit, but its still a damn good turret to have in a battle :wub:

A conversation I had with one of the main guys responsible for releasing information on the previous friday-saturday night (9-10 Oct) : http://i.imgur.com/aGfBndR.png (even included part of my very own opinion about controversial premium paint) Now tell me, if he gives even more info about it wouldn't that be in contradiction with your own recommendation above? Also do bear in mind that upon making the decision to announce it in that vlog they knew that they will be releasing more info about it in the upcoming weeks anyway upon launching the premium thing. Hence they avoided all technicalities of it (or single tidbit as you put it) and explained rather exhaustively most, if not all aspects of premium in simple comprehensible manner for all types of audiences to understand, while at the same time giving the developers still working on the thing day and night a chance to fix all technicalities in the best ways possible without forcing them to abide by a set of technicalities they could have announced, thus setting all the development plans in stone, making it a 1-way launch thing that could not be reversed or altered a single bit even if things went catastrophic, cause you know, it would have then been fully announced and unveiled and making changes after would make people like you go even more mad. Should that have been the comms strategy to be adopted. I ask to you personally who have been working in corporate world , would you have chosen that kind of strategy if you were to make the decision? And lastly my friend, is it so hard to concede you're just being a tad impatient over something that is yet to be released?

I am so sorry that a guy who made some short defaming videos with tons of inaccurate and incomplete information won you over someone who gave a thorough explanation to your question in writing form just because the latter did not respect the main pre-university academic rules of essay writing [intro, body, conclusion]. I am also sorry that you're infuriated over me not giving the person a ban but instead do as we teach all mods : warn first & where possible only remove the rule-breaking titbits and allow the post to remain so as not to interrupt the dialogue. Bro update 123 was almost 3 years ago. That hill must be super long to go down it :o Also part of going down that hill weirdly involved having gone up a mountain of success as well !?!? :huh:

yele, ostrica, issho, don't bother lads. You are all incompetent admins and cannot give @creeperskelly what he seeks. He seeks all full final information about a system that is still being developed and demands that those information have been posted on the wiki last year!! -_-

Not nice, these 2 girls do a terrific job for you all, and hell lot more behind the scenes that you guys have no idea of. Don't cross that line, or you will get a typical Damn_Slow answer of the kind that I so far hasn't posted in this corner of the internet yet. And no buddy, I'm not being paid a single penny to be tanki's PR here, not even a damn little crystal for the matter, and I would not hesitate 1 moment if certain boundaries are crossed. So lets just not go there ! :) As for the proposed Kick-2 system, you did have that talk with me too, and this will infuriate you a lot, you think so highly of it but it really is just sub-par and so many things have not been considered in it. In fact I still remember my first comment on that topic, and since then it has progressed I reckon, but it went from craddle to sandbox. That's why it was never implemented. And the truth is much more elaborate plans have been thought about well before Kick-2, but there are many technical reasons why they weren't achieved. Several of these same reasons are behind the push to unity. Now if you want the high level and low level programming jibber jabber about that, you can pm the rude, people-skills-lacking dev you're so fond of, but something tells me you'll never be satisfied with his answer anyway.

All in due time and a little birdy tells me its just a matter of a few days :) Lil patience my friend Well they are randomly generated. But if you feel it needs tweaking, then please, by all means make a case in this section : Ideas and Suggestions explain what you've been getting too much, what too little, how it should be balanced. Please make sure its a sound proposal and make it all neat and clear. This way it just won't get closed accidentally or intentionally by thinking its just another topic made by a younger player that doesn't explain much and / or contribute much to the idea they're trying to push. true dat :) like one of the devs say, they've been given too much ice-cream and now are making a scene all over the supermarket floor in front of everyone just cause this one time mummy said no :) Jokes aside, personally I think the same mistakes won't be repeated. As already revealed by some devs, the persons who made these preposterous decisions back then are no longer in office. Its just sad that we still have to deal with the ones they spoiled :(

Most of tanki staff don't converse that well in English, e.g. some of the devs I converse with takes a whole minute to type an English sentence which you and I would type in 10 seconds. Is it efficient for them to be here? Absolutely not. That's why they relay most their communications through the CM and the admins and the mods who can answer questions more often and more promptly. Is that called hiding? As for account transfers I answered this all too well already and Semyon did as well, and many others did on so many different threads, chats, social media etc .... But you people are being crazy unreal about your zeal on the matter and whatever we will answer you guys will never be satiated. Is it our fault? Heck no. What's funny is that its even already been hinted what will happen in either case and how developers will ensure current flash players won't just be let down. I think I even recall Semyon using the words "no one is planning on spitting on anyone" when moving over. A word I personally never would be using, despite my highly-criticised method of replying, but in many ways that's the correct term, and spitting on players is not what anyone intends on doing here upon moving to unity. I even laid down a simple set of critical thinking questions for people to think about. CBB to find it, but basically : Do you reasonably think that a small non AAA games company that develops only 1 game and has 1 source of income can allow itself to anger its customers ditching them on 1 platform and move on to another and expect that they'll get away with all the negative publicity that very widely large customer base will be voicing all over the internet, its only ground of work? Does it make business sense to you to start a spin-off MMO game with 0 players on the counter and gamble on long-term profit hoping adverse publicity won't affect you much ? Or does it make more business sense to simply use the already vast pool of players to kick-start a brand new game and propel it into profitability (or just break-even) as fast as possible, knowing all your investors are impatiently waiting to get a return on their investment? M the only reason I took time to write all this is because I personally know you and respect you and all the Rusty Relics folks a lot, and it pains me to see your arguments hovering on the same level as most our younger critiques, and that is truly what makes me feel sorry, not the company you sarcastically describe as "must be nice to work for"

Thanks for the vlog suggestion eh, definitely transmitting that. However I do have to add that practically all questions players asked in this topic have been answered. I myself personally dedicated a week of my free time ensuring every single one was answered with the latest and most up-to-date info. What's annoying however is that some people will never be satisfied with answers given, always retorting with sometimes the most absurd arguments or being unrealistically impatient, not to mention some allow themselves to get dragged into the already existing flaming environment there's been since last Sunday. I'll tell you guys how it really is. Its saddening to all mods and admins that cause of a few spread rumours carefully crafted by a few individuals the hate train has been chu-chuing quite hard the whole week and many many players, from all categories and age group are embarking on it without thinking twice about it and they too are very rather casually bashing the mods and admins without giving any second thoughts about the words they're using, or even reviewing the answers provided. double standards, pretences, cover-ups, corruption, those are words people have been using rather lightly the past week. The younger audience sure will always go on the rebellious side and rebel, its normal, I've been there too. But it would be greatly appreciated if the more mature ones too don't engage in the futile rebellion and engage in conversations in a more cool manner. Constructive criticism has always been welcomed in this game. But click on that previous button a few times and read, go in chats and read, there's also been a lot of negative and unconstructive criticism as well. And also a lot of impatience. And last @Golfinray I do not know what language you program in, but go see what is happening to the Flash technology in the industry and why. Each week there's a new article coming about this. In fact you don't need to be a programmer to read these articles to understand the problems. But you say you're a programmer and yet you find devs' answer about the problems with flash being an unreasonable one? Well I'd love to see your arguments refuting that, the whole gaming, no, the whole internet industry would love to hear why. Also apologies if you got the wrong vibes earlier on. Just bear in mind there will still be some who'll keep posting absurdities in here, so don't just read our replies, read to what we're replying as well :)

Yes, I insulted a grown man by calling him a genius. I am so sorry about that, that title definitely should not have been applied in this case. Please accept my heartfelt apology sir :( Now I don't have the luxury of laughing out loud, I have a 30 pages doc on my desk on a Saturday, so if you'll please excuse me sir. Wishing we do meet someday in battle, Sincerely yours, DS

don't kid yourself, it'll take you a lot to "hurt my feelings". Now mr.grownup how about you go read a little more about your favourite superhero → here ← and may be you'll know why they were removed, provided reading is something you won't die doing of course :P Enjoy the read ;)

Well I could have totally removed the message and everyone would cry out censorship I could have issued him a ban for a just being a tad silly and pushy but then everyone would cry out dictatorship I could have let it passed unfiltered but then everyone would cry out corruption-ship I love ships :) I could issue a warn and edit the few troublesome words and let the discussion flow, which is what-we-usually-do-ship Went with option 4 as you can see, and still people cry about it. Like a certain dev's status has been for months : oh btw @kmpa the original unedited post was him being a total jerk to you, now if you insist it would be my pleasure to send it out to you in pm :P but then you'd cry upon seeing him be mean mean to you :(

Thanks man, I really wish I could do wayyyyyyy much more there, but for now we all have to wait :( but hey I'm gonna try and stick around and help as much as possible, and I do know whenever I've been patient around here it was always rewarded in the end :) (something many grouchy tankers over here can't comprehend though -_- )

Hey Super K my pro-finals hero :wub: i think there will be more than just paints that are gonna be special in unity ^_^

Don't read the topic, just see the post I linked in my previous reply to you in this topic. And just cause you're seeing the fancy graphics and moving trees doesn't mean the guys working on the economic system are having a nap. Little patience, in time when they have relevant information they themselves will come forward and tell you all about it. You're guaranteed to be able to get your nickname in the new game without someone else stealing it before you. As for garage and rank these are of another degree of complexity, and at this moment several options are still open. Developers are currently busy determining whether transfer will be possible or not. This is because new Tanki’s economy is being developed now, and the transfer decision will highly depend on how different this new system will be compared to the old one. Once it’s clear, we’ll make an announcement. Even if there won’t be a transfer, we’ll make sure to give TO players as many goodies as possible in the new game, we are not planning on disappointing anyone. This question has been answered countless times already. It was mentioned in past vlogs, and even in this topic