Why it is forbidden to publicly discuss moderation.

[semyonkirov 29,038]

I would like to say something too. Last week someone reported me for something i said in a chat and i got banned for a day by russians. I never talk dirty to anyone, i don't want to insult anyone but the reason wasn't on that picture since there was no picture. if you don't believe me search gocac on russian side of forum.. But what i don't like is the status of all of us. if you have good friends as MODs here, you won't get banned for the same things as most of us. MODs should treat all of us equaly. I was getting banned for returning the insult to someone in this forum but MOD could see only inslut that i made. I was banned couple of times in complaints section even if i said that i wasn't aware that i posted there. some people posted there too saying post terminated and so on and didn't get banned. we are all strangers here, and at least you should respect our apologies. if i say that i'm sorry, i really am sorry. BOOM, BANNED. no talking for a week.

Sorry, but I checked your ban history and there is a picture for that ban that proves everything. PM me about it if you have some questions.

 

@Everyone above me, Keep it on topic!

Exactly, as long as it stays on topic it won't be closed. 

[GoldRock2 290]

Player GoldRock2 has been banned for a week. Reason: Violation of forum rules. Trolling/flaming.Rules

Edited September 11, 2013 by Yele

[r_BigSpender0 12]

Wondering why only staff members and the goodie goodies (I like to call them nerds) voted this post up  :huh:

[datie9 72]

I think it'll be wise to close this thread now. This is now becomeing a place where moderators are discussed, that should not be.

[already.dead 360]

The thing is, i can't post anything anymore, without being afraid to get banned etc., so i think i am leaving the forum, not that i ever was that avtive

[semyonkirov 29,038]

That's why topics get closed, they get off-topic. Please stay on it if you want to continue discussion.

[Runescapeacco 5]

That's why topics get closed, they get off-topic. Please stay on it if you want to continue discussion.

I understand there needs to be order, but a ban or a locked topic isn't the right way to go about it. And what defines a threads topic? The Title? What the OP intended it to be? I'd like to believe it's what the posters lead it to be. EXAMPLE: If we are taking about hackers but then diverse to how the rules are unfair, it's still a discussion! And even if I'm wrong and you're right, if the people are unhappy with how the things are then something must be wrong and change has to be made.

 

...we need to change it and we will.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Runescapeacco

[xxElyxx 275]

I've PM'd MODs recently but i get no help and no replies whatsoever... 

especially when it's something serious like getting banned unfairly, then i get banned for discussing it when it's not me discussing it but  the MOD being mad about me after being banned then other people start discussing about it so i get banned too (of course).

Edited September 10, 2013 by xxElyxx

[MadManoloz 29]

[skitee 555]

I think this is a good and useful rule if the mods actually a) replied to your PM or b ) actually continued a discussion with you rather than deleting the message after two messages on either side. Seeing how neither actually happens, well, it's a bit disappointing.

 

Also, I think the rule is too strictly applied at the moment. I remember once how a mod banned people when they pointed out how his clan was breaking the rules (not having ten members). I know that's an extreme example but in my opinion this rule should only be applied when people are talking about one moderator's actions in one circumstance, which the reasons above apply towards.

 

In my opinion, generally talking about the mods should be allowed to be discussed publicly for people to agree and disagree and none of the reasons in the OP justify not being able to do that.

Edited September 10, 2013 by skitee

[FaaiqBilal 221]

two words: rules suck

[fIamekid 4]

Same for me, whenever I've PMed a mod, I've got no reply.

Same for me. They dont care about me!

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Suggestion:

 

• Allows the community to upvote/downvote moderator's posts, it allows a good way to provide feedback from the community without using words.
• Have moderators make a new post when they ban someone or take any decision instead of editing a user's post, delete the original post only when it has profanity or other explicit stuff.

Explanation:

 

Public discussions aren't allowed, no one said we can't just do +1 or -1; let us. If the mod is right he shouldn't care about having -10 votes, if he is wrong then he gets to think about it, no need to use any words at all. Regarding the second suggestion, it just gives the community some ease of mind, that a mod can't just delete their entire message just because they disagree with it.

 

Reason:

 

There is no way for the community to provide mass-feedback on a moderator's decision without starting a witch-hunt. The feature which is completely harmless is already on the forum, just let the community use it.

Edited September 10, 2013 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[aojsd 144]

What actually is the point of the community not being able to vote up or down the posts of mods? Does it actually do anything to help? Or is it just to protect the pride that mods might have seeing the community unable to express their opinion on a potentially controversial topic? When tanki extended their game to english-speaking people, they should've realized that they would be receiving many players from the US and other countries where free speech is allowed and encouraged, and should've realized that there would be many people from such countries that would feel compelled to express their opinions over controversial topics, even if they break controversial rules. It's obvious though that the tanki administration is stubbornly against abolishing rule 2.18, contrary to many players' opinions and ideas. So at least let the community vote up or down a mod's posts, how much harm would it do? In fact, I saw many mods post that they "did not care about it" for it was "just a number" or that "they didn't care at all" if people angry at them would vote their post down. So why not? What harm could it do to the incredibly undemocratic society known as the tanki english moderators?

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

Votes are disabled for mods because many people, just for fun/unhappy about bans/etc. will thumb down their posts on purpose, which is just stupid.

But yes, feedback is important and I personally wouldn't mind to be able to be voted.

[aojsd 144]

Votes are disabled for mods because many people, just for fun/unhappy about bans/etc. will thumb down their posts on purpose, which is just stupid.

If that's the case, then what about people who just do that to other players? If it truly is stupid, then why was the votes system introduced in the first place?

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

There are several trolls I've seen that are thumbing down 'just cause'.

But for moderators it would mean many more votes from people unhappy with bans/topics edits, etc.

[aojsd 144]

If it truly is stupid, then why was the votes system introduced in the first place?

You did not answer my question.

 

There are several trolls I've seen that are thumbing down 'just cause'.

But for moderators it would mean many more votes from people unhappy with bans/topics edits, etc.

Yes I know this is true, but as kool said, if a mod has made the completely correct decision according to the rules, why on Earth should they care?

[datie9 72]

I'm wondering what makes the tanki forum community so different to other forum communities.

 

What does happen here that does not happen to other forums? And most of all: Why are we so against the moderators (in this topic)?

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

You did not answer my question.

The vote feature is supposed to make it easier for us to see what's your opinion of different things in the game, from developers' news to some off-topic discussions, it's just easier to evaluate and assess everything this way.

 

 

Yes I know this is true, but as kool said, if a mod has made the completely correct decision according to the rules, why on Earth should they care?

You know how the police gets a killer and he still says he did nothing wrong. Same here.

[aojsd 144]

You know how the police gets a killer and he still says he did nothing wrong. Same here.

So because of the actions some people who decide to troll on the voting system and some others who think that they shouldn't have been banned, the entire rest of the community, which could very well be people completely capable of giving good ideas and helpful insights, is unable to share their opinions on mods in the simple way of voting up or down a post? Also, you still didn't answer why a mod would care whether they are voted up or down if they made the correct decision according to the rules.

Edited September 10, 2013 by aojsd

[Yele 3,982]

Dear players, we start from the idea that moderators are people, and they can make mistakes, but we don't believe that they do it explicitly. As has already been said you can write Pm, I personally never go to sleep until I've answered to everyone, I'm always available to give explanations or I always ask other items before coming to every decision. The rules of the game are made by lawyers, so if something is not allowed, it is because there is some legal basis for that that we can't discuss. The purpose of the rules is not to restrict the freedom of expression of those who participate, it is aimed at the protection of the topics and especially the protection of the participants. All punishments come with a screenshot, the program that our moderators use makes them automatically, if you want the explanations for the ban received just write a PM to admin and you will be provided with a screenshot and explanation. Regarding the closure of the topic, we discussed it with the moderators, we have changed some guidelines, we hope that it will help us to improve our forum. But imagine a new player who comes to seek explanations for something on the forum, if we have 10 topics with the same subject, it will be very difficult to find the answers, so it is the reason why some topics are closed. We have the off-topic section where you can talk about many other things, let's use it well, posting provocative images, writing two words that do not carry any sense only increases counter personal messages. As it's been mentioned by Semyon, we are available to discuss your ideas for improving our forum, but remember - it is not the amount of posts that one writes that is really important, but what he or she says. This makes him an interesting interlocutor.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

So because of the actions some people who decide to troll on the voting system and some others who think that they shouldn't have been banned, the entire rest of the community, which could very well be people completely capable of giving good ideas and helpful insights, is unable to share their opinions on mods in the simple way of voting up or down a post?

As I said I wouldn't mind to have the vote.

 

Also, you still didn't answer why a mod would care whether they are voted up or down if they made the correct decision according to the rules.

We wouldn't.

[aojsd 144]

We wouldn't.

If mods don't care about trolling or angry people voting down their posts, then that reason against allowing players to vote posts of mods become invalid, unless for some reason aren't often making the correct decisions, or if the tanki developers care so much about the reputation of their mods' posts (which I find rather improbable), so I ask again, what's the point of not allowing players to vote the posts of a mod up or down?

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

You're trying to put words in my mouth, however that won't happen.

 

We wouldn't care - yes, I wouldn't mind if someone that got a ban FOR A REASON later thumbs down my post that says he got banned.

 

so I ask again, what's the point of not allowing players to vote the posts of a mod up or down?

Already answered

Edited September 10, 2013 by FederalBureauFBI