Do you feel safe using your main Account in the Forum

[swede1 1,726]

Hi everyone, I am sure you know who I am.

Many players use there alt accounts on this forum, and this is mine, I have always taken pride in using my main Account in this forum and luckily have never been banned, I have had a few warnings. but I have tried very hard to follow all of Tankis rules.

Unfortunately I see many players getting bans for trivial little things. Each time I question how much risk I take in any post I write or reply to with my main in this forum.

Do you feel the same way as I, where is the line, it often seems to be a judgement call that is dependant on a point of view, one mod may be fine with the post while another may find a problem with it, the line is difficult to see at many times and there are other reasons for punishment as well.

Granted there are several players who use alt accounts here for purely malicious purposes and I find they get off way to easy, their main accounts should get the punishment and the alt accounts

should be deleted on the spot.

I would like to hear from members of the forum to see how you feel about using your main accounts in this forum.

One suggestion I would have is to make it only possible for members of Warrant officer one or above able to log into forum, this would make the use of alts for malicious behaviour stop quite dramatically.

Please stay within the boundaries of the Tanki rules when responding to this topic as I am interested in a quality discussion even if you use your alt accounts.

I must say overall the response looks a lot better than it would have one year ago, and I would like to see more players use their mains in the forum.

It is my feelings that these players have been very active in the forum, many of them not intending to be malicious or rude, others have had repeated minor bans in the past then there are those players with more serious bans but this topic wasn't really created for them, for those players that have had bans, it is my understanding that each time a player gets banned,  the time gets longer and longer until it becomes lifetime ban even if it was possibly just another minor offence, so these players cannot risk losing total accessibility in the forum and the game so they create Alt accounts to communicate with. If however it was possible to have a reset after a determined period of time it would make it possible for those who are generally good people with the occasional bad decision the desire to try harder to stay within the boundaries have pride in using their main account in the forum. 

[the_enemy 22]

I'm surprised to read here about the stuff about some sort of tracking of karma. I'm a Brigadier and I didn't know anything about that. I can't see it in the FAQ, so how would people be expected to know? (This is a genuine question, which you can potentially interpret as a suggestion for adding it to the FAQ if it really isn't there!)

 

As for whether forums are safe or not, sometimes I've seen people making silly mistakes, just having a joke (even if not a very good one!) and perhaps being a bit foolish, but not maliciously so. But it seems the moderators seem very quick to resort to banning, rather than keeping that as a last resort. Maybe there are things that have happened which mean I'm only seeing a very partial view; but it does appear that has happened quite a few times. Perhaps someone can explain what actually happens, so everyone understands?

 

In other website forums, usually there is a greater use of initial warnings (and the offending post is still edited away of course). Can this approach be used more actively by the mod team? I think some people, especially the newer ones, might actually realise their mistake and apologise - at the moment they wouldn't be able to do that because they're banned! Might this approach spread more peace, harmony and love? :D

 

[SpHryfBoss 573]

Hi everyone, I am sure you know who I am.

No.

[Prince.Chris 84]

Eragon22 = noob. There is nothing to add

[BorussiaDortmund_BVB 363]

Eragon22 = noob. There is nothing to add

@eragon33 or ??

[canadaruIes 13]

so these players cannot risk losing total accessibility in the forum and the game so they create Alt accounts to communicate with. If however it was possible to have a reset after a determined period of time it would make it possible for those who are generally good people with the occasional bad decision the desire to try harder to stay within the boundaries have pride in using their main account in the forum. 

I make one bad decision and get punished for it for a week. Seriously everyone makes mistakes don't they. I would say something else but no they think they are perfect.

Note: Never specified who.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Doesn't it count for more than just a bad decision? Such as how bad the decision was. . . and things like that.

 

And if you got banned before. . . . . ..

 

P.s: The ''never specified'' part and all is kind of like you're trying to make the Mods want to bann you. Lololol. Or in other words, giving them the urge. xD

Edited February 19, 2014 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[canadaruIes 13]

Doesn't it count for more than just a bad decision? Such as how bad the decision was. . . and things like that.

 

And if you got banned before. . . . . ..

 

P.s: The ''never specified'' part and all is kind of like you're trying to make the Mods want to bann you. Lololol. Or in other words, giving them the urge. xD

When you are clearly just joking around and get ban for that it really just shows the true colours of how bad Tanki is with freedom of speech

I'm surprised to read here about the stuff about some sort of tracking of karma. I'm a Brigadier and I didn't know anything about that. I can't see it in the FAQ, so how would people be expected to know? (This is a genuine question, which you can potentially interpret as a suggestion for adding it to the FAQ if it really isn't there!)

 

As for whether forums are safe or not, sometimes I've seen people making silly mistakes, just having a joke (even if not a very good one!) and perhaps being a bit foolish, but not maliciously so. But it seems the moderators seem very quick to resort to banning, rather than keeping that as a last resort. Maybe there are things that have happened which mean I'm only seeing a very partial view; but it does appear that has happened quite a few times. Perhaps someone can explain what actually happens, so everyone understands?

 

In other website forums, usually there is a greater use of initial warnings (and the offending post is still edited away of course). Can this approach be used more actively by the mod team? I think some people, especially the newer ones, might actually realise their mistake and apologise - at the moment they wouldn't be able to do that because they're banned! Might this approach spread more peace, harmony and love? :D

Good idea what i suggested about 5 different times so next time read my long quote below i wrote in this topic

 

 

Opinion- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge (Google definition)

Fact- a thing that is indisputably the case (Google definition)

 

Okay so i speak my opinion...i get ban for it. i clearly state at bottom It is an opinion.

Now to get back to freedom of speech..... Canada does have limits to freedom of speech which are way better than these forums sort of sounds like Hollands but not 100% the same. 

"I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. " (Martin Luther King Jr.)

 

Sort of sounds like Tanki is the USA at this time and I am Martin Luther King Jr. right now. (No way i can compare to him) All that I am hoping for in this community is for more freedom of speech so that everyone can work together better and put their minds together.  I too have a Dream that all people in Tanki will treat all of us as normal human beings. That we will not be judged by the way we talk but by the way we act. If we act racist towards one that yes give us a ban, if we discriminate against one than give us a ban, if we are harassing someone than give us a ban but by giving an opinion of what you see, talking the way you normally due and getting ban for it. Where is the freedom here.  I will tell you where, NO Where On This Forum Or Game

I am not afraid to speak my mind here but since Tanki clearly doesn't allow freedom of speech everyone is afraid to speak their true mind. I wonder why i get ban on so many occasions

P.s. Nothing against Joost he is cool :)

Edit: Spelt occasions wrong

As i stated very clearly and strong about everything relating it to real world things/ famous speech's.

Also i have a feeling my writing skills are improving

Better watch out Tanki peeps before this turns into a real war :P

[flae88 948]

^verbal war hhh

[semyonkirov 29,038]

I have to say guys, that the polite argument going on in the first 3 pages, changed into a arguing where people blame each other, or where personal attacks are there. Can we please get back to a structured argument? I actually like that way more, and I enjoyed it :)

Completely agree with that.

 

Answering some of the points raised in this thread:

 

First, players normally get warnings for first violations. In case violations are serious, they get bans, but minor ones.

Second, chat moderators (the people who actually give bans) have clear guidelines on what kind of ban they need to give depending on the type of violation, whether it is repeating or not, and based on a player's karma.

Our task is to make these guidelines even more clear for mods and minimize the gray area in bans. With having a new chat administrator it will become easier.

 

Another thing that is lacking: we need to learn to respect each other (players, staff, community managers, everyone). I often see players showing disrespect to staff, though staff are players like the rest of you who just help the community. Moreover, players show disrespect to each other all the time. Which is strange as this forum and this game is your common interest, the thing that unites you, but sometimes it feels completely the opposite.

 

Once this goal is achieved, the community will become a better place for everyone.

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

I think ban system should change

Our topic title speaks about the forum, not the chat.

Sorry G but since all of these are interlinked we cannot talk about one and not the other. 

 

Why call it an issue that players' karma is not separated? Aren't the chat and the forum all part of the same game? Same rules apply for the both of them. Break a rule in tanki online and get a ban in tanki online. I'd say it is part of the punishment that you can't talk in chat if you are banned on the forum and the other way around. Giving forum moderators the ability to ban: yes. Separating karma: no.

+1 to not separating karma (if ever that came across someone's mind)

[MisterGeneral 692]

Sorry G but since all of these are interlinked we cannot talk about one and not the other. 

Yes they are linked, but forum moderators can not interfere in chat rules and ban rules, our topic says "Do you feel safe on the forum", let's stick to discussing that instead of shifting to "Why bans are linked"  :) 

[swede1 1,726]

Yes they are linked, but forum moderators can not interfere in chat rules and ban rules, our topic says "Do you feel safe on the forum", let's stick to discussing that instead of shifting to "Why bans are linked"   :)

Ehem! My Topic, but that you would like taking some credit for this excellent post is an honour. If the players don't feel safe talking in our forum with their main accounts due in part of actions on the game chat they can certainly post their thoughts on my topic, even though the use of alts on the game chat is 1000 times more prevalent as the game chat has a 30 second shelf life, justice in the game chat is dealt with swiftly, but sadly it is of no value as their mains are not affected so they log on with another alt and continue; thus the answer to why Tanki has 42 MILLION users and only 100 thousand in the game.

[swede1 1,726]

It is just a guess, but from my time spent on the forum there are only about 1600 or so users of the En forum, of which only about 800 frequently uses the forum and of those only about 80 or so that abuse the system both here and and on the game chat to intimidate, flame, troll whatever you want to call it and do so with immunity of their main accounts. Raising the bar to only allow players of a higher rank such as warrant officer access to post on the forum would solve many of the issues here, as it only takes 30 min. or so to acquire a new account and rank up enough to start posting, most players would not go to the trouble of working on an account in their efforts to be malicious on the forum, and those that still do could easily be tracked back to their IPs and have their mains sanctioned.

The Game chat is a whole other story, players use alts as a game within the game to talk freely while circumventing the rules and to be able to monitor chat while playing in battles with their mains, but I will leave that for another topic sometime  :P

[DuckHonk 262]

I generally dont post that often, even more so now that I have left CS. I think something that many people dont take into account is the fact that Tanki is a community, but the community is by no means democratic, that being said dont expect "free speech" in a Forum. I have been on a number of different forums in my life all centering around games and hobbies, and I have NEVER seen a game with so many rules. A huge rule section creates a TON of busy work for MODs... just saying 

[GoldRock2 290]

The points made here by @the_enemy and are really excellent. I hope that they are being taken note of, and they are certainly things that would be relevant to any discussion with the administration about improvements to the forum.

[Yele 3,982]

I'm surprised to read here about the stuff about some sort of tracking of karma. I'm a Brigadier and I didn't know anything about that. I can't see it in the FAQ, so how would people be expected to know? (This is a genuine question, which you can potentially interpret as a suggestion for adding it to the FAQ if it really isn't there!)

 

As for whether forums are safe or not, sometimes I've seen people making silly mistakes, just having a joke (even if not a very good one!) and perhaps being a bit foolish, but not maliciously so. But it seems the moderators seem very quick to resort to banning, rather than keeping that as a last resort. Maybe there are things that have happened which mean I'm only seeing a very partial view; but it does appear that has happened quite a few times. Perhaps someone can explain what actually happens, so everyone understands?

 

In other website forums, usually there is a greater use of initial warnings (and the offending post is still edited away of course). Can this approach be used more actively by the mod team? I think some people, especially the newer ones, might actually realise their mistake and apologise - at the moment they wouldn't be able to do that because they're banned! Might this approach spread more peace, harmony and love? :D

 

I like getting your message, try to follow your advice - warn the players who break the rules the first time ( real noobs players )

[rich678 1]

how do you post on this? not a reply...

[bluesky12345678 20]

I'm forced to use my alt account which is this banned forever from fake violation

[T.O.R_Ovi 51]

For me .. no problem !

[r_lucky40 32]

Hiding Damn_Slow's Post is a prime example of why people are scared to use their main acc's on the forum. They might be intimitated to speak their mind.( something which you can't usually do because it'll result in hiding the post or a ban)

 

 

P.S. I don't Feel safe using my main acc on the forum

[r_BloodLines0 5]

From all the forums of games i have used, this is the one with the most restrictions. 

 

[semyonkirov 29,038]

Hiding Damn_Slow's Post is a prime example of why people are scared to use their main acc's on the forum. They might be intimitated to speak their mind.( something which you can't usually do because it'll result in hiding the post or a ban)

 

 

P.S. I don't Feel safe using my main acc on the forum

Sometimes hiding players' posts is better than banning them, I hope everyone agrees on that. Posts are hidden not because some staff or me don't like them, we hide posts that can provoke other players to join the wrong direction of discussion and result in breaking of rules and, as a result, bans.

 

Then these bans result in topics like that, which again lead to breaking of rules and bans.

 

A vicious circle.

 

Sorry, but it's time to close the topic. Remember, there is no need to be afraid of using your main accounts, just follow the rules and everything will be OK.

If sometimes we do something wrong, it's not because we want to. Community is growing, more players come, with completely different mentalities and our task is to adapt to these things, that's what we are doing. Perhaps players should start working together with staff and community managers, not against them like some individuals, this way we will improve faster.