Drugging needs to go

[XXgamercool_TURBO 14]

I have an idea that will kick drugging out of the game. its quite simple. no more buying drugs from the garage :) if tanki takes them out of the garage it will all be fair:) this is probably never going to happen because then there will be less reasons to buy crystals with real money but i still want tanki to know that most people hate drugging.

[ThouShallNot 963]

I would rather take out the drug kits and take 3/4 of people's drugs then refund them.

[Invincitron 888]

I have an idea that will kick drugging out of the game. its quite simple. no more buying drugs from the garage :) if tanki takes them out of the garage it will all be fair:) this is probably never going to happen because then there will be less reasons to buy crystals with real money but i still want tanki to know that most people hate drugging.

No...

[Thekillerpenguin 1,731]

I have an idea that will kick drugging out of the game. its quite simple. no more buying drugs from the garage :) if tanki takes them out of the garage it will all be fair:) this is probably never going to happen because then there will be less reasons to buy crystals with real money but i still want tanki to know that most people hate drugging.

Nope.

 

I'm not really a drugger myself, but I know that many, many people love drugging and drug wars. They supply a substantial part of Tanki's income. Remove drugging, and Tanki will find themselves out of money really quickly.

 

Smart Cooldowns already cut down on the number of druggers you see today. If you wish, you can make a PRO battle with supplies disabled; you can enter a PRO battle for free if you're its creator.

[MarineMan2 1,164]

I have an idea that will kick drugging out of the game. its quite simple. no more buying drugs from the garage :) if tanki takes them out of the garage it will all be fair:) this is probably never going to happen because then there will be less reasons to buy crystals with real money but i still want tanki to know that most people hate drugging.

Nope.

 

I'm not really a drugger myself, but I know that many, many people love drugging and drug wars. They supply a substantial part of Tanki's income. Remove drugging, and Tanki will find themselves out of money really quickly.

 

Smart Cooldowns already cut down on the number of druggers you see today. If you wish, you can make a PRO battle with supplies disabled; you can enter a PRO battle for free if you're its creator.

Additionally, parkourists rely on supplies in order to perform the amazing stunts they do. Cutting down on drug distribution in the manner you are suggesting would be a fatal blow to parkourists everywhere.

[DaveZm 22]

Additionally, parkourists rely on supplies in order to perform the amazing stunts they do. Cutting down on drug distribution in the manner you are suggesting would be a fatal blow to parkourists everywhere.

ok Bro let Parkours only use Drugss then i think Parkours only 10% of game rest all normal 90 get affect by this naaa!!!!

 

I think its better to make Druggs use conditioned like only 5 times use all 5 drugs each 1 drug 5 times in 1 particular Server ..

 

Not take away drugs . but restrict them from use 100 times hehe

[BJBlazkowicz 20]

I have an idea that will kick drugging out of the game. its quite simple. no more buying drugs from the garage :) if tanki takes them out of the garage it will all be fair:) this is probably never going to happen because then there will be less reasons to buy crystals with real money but i still want tanki to know that most people hate drugging.

you want to get rid of something that brings them  money  XD, yeah good luck bro, if this would happen i guess it would not be a free game anymore

[RustyNail 1,538]

Nope.

 

I'm not really a drugger myself, but I know that many, many people love drugging and drug wars.

THEN WHY DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT? LET THE DRUGGERS DO THE TALKING.

 

They supply a substantial part of Tanki's income. Remove drugging, and Tanki will find themselves out of money really quickly.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS FROM ZERO TO GENERALISSIMO? I QUESS NOT. WELL DUDE, START COUNTING AND LEARN WHAT SUCKER MEANS.

 

Smart Cooldowns already cut down on the number of druggers you see today.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KITTING, RIGHT? DRUG WARS HAVE NEVER BEEN BETTER, THANKS TO OUR CARING DEVS.

 

If you wish, you can make a PRO battle with supplies disabled; you can enter a PRO battle for free if you're its creator.

IF YOU WISH, YOU CAN MAKE A PRO BATTLE WITH SUPPLIES ENABLED.

Over all, your post is tottaly invalid, except from the part of Pro battles being free for their creators (which of course is unprobable to happen due to Dev's milking policy).

 

Additionally, parkourists rely on supplies in order to perform the amazing stunts they do. Cutting down on drug distribution in the manner you are suggesting would be a fatal blow to parkourists everywhere.

WOW! SOMEBODY CARES FOR PARKOURISTS! THAT'S A NEW ONE... SINCE TO HAS DONE ZIP FOR THEM, ALTHOUGH THEY PRODUCE THE MOST IMPRESSIVE VIDEOS FOR TANKI. HOW LONG PLAYERS ASK FOR A PARKOUR MODE (IN WHICH SUPPLIES CAN EXIST JUST FINE) TO PERFORM THEIR HOBBY? WHAT HAS TO DONE SO FAR?

Please, tell me again - for I have forgotten - what was the prize combo of that contest you won?

 

you want to get rid of something that brings them  money  XD, yeah good luck bro, if this would happen i guess it would not be a free game anymore

IT'S NOT A FREE GAME EITHERWAYS. ONLY MEAT TO BE KILLED IS FREE. IF ONE WANTS TO PROGRESS, MUCH MONEY (REAL MONEY) ARE NEEDED.

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I know, I'm harse and maybe offensive. But I 'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy and the constant milking Tanki enforces to us and honestly, but for my Clan,. I would have turned my back to Tanki months ago, never again to log in...

[DonutsForLife 292]

Over all, your post is tottaly invalid,----------> except from the part of Pro battles being free for their creators (which of course is unprobable to happen due to Dev's milking policy).

 

Actually pro battles ARE free for the creators, go test it yourself...

[Chameleos 157]

money IS needed? since when? if YOU need money YOU have no skills,that's all.  <_< (it's just wait vs buy,i rather wait some days to get my m3s lol)

however i don't feel like smart cooldowns reduced the amount of druggers,got a lot of people to drug,and less at once

[DrPotatoes 2]

While those who use "drugs" in game are rather annoying in gameplay, let's face it, they can spend their money how they wish, thus they do not have enough to buy more armour and or weapons. The only outcome is that they make battles a little more aggravating. What does that say if you are trying to restrict one's freedoms, just because it is "annoying"? Deal with it, enough people hate it enough that they will never do it, thus there are still very few "druggers" in the first place.

[DrPotatoes 2]

Over all, your post is tottaly invalid, except from the part of Pro battles being free for their creators (which of course is unprobable to happen due to Dev's milking policy).

 

Please, tell me again - for I have forgotten - what was the prize combo of that contest you won?

 

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I know, I'm harse and maybe offensive. But I 'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy and the constant milking Tanki enforces to us and honestly, but for my Clan,. I would have turned my back to Tanki months ago, never again to log in...

I would like to point out to this person, RustyNail, that though your point is valid, that it requires REAL money to make any progress in the game, it is only valid to a point. Yes it is true, but that is only if you wish to bow down to the modern age in which everyone has the attention span of a sparrow. It is quite possible to make it to the higher ranks without money, it just takes time, which is ultimately what you just said, as the REAL money took your time in the first place to earn; unless of course you received/permanently borrowed it. All in all, it would take roughly the same amount of time even if you did not spend a dime of your own money.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Actually pro battles ARE free for the creators, go test it yourself...

I can't see that because I have a Pro Pass, when it expires I 'll check it out before buying a new Pass.. Thanks for the info.

 

I would like to point out to this person, RustyNail, that though your point is valid, that it requires REAL money to make any progress in the game, it is only valid to a point. Yes it is true, but that is only if you wish to bow down to the modern age in which everyone has the attention span of a sparrow. It is quite possible to make it to the higher ranks without money, it just takes time, which is ultimately what you just said, as the REAL money took your time in the first place to earn; unless of course you received/permanently borrowed it. All in all, it would take roughly the same amount of time even if you did not spend a dime of your own money.

Unfortunately, english not being ny native language makes me use more words than nesesary and sometimes making not the most accurate comments I could do otherwise.

So, in few words I can say to this remark you made that according to my experience, without real money one needs too much time to accomplish a decent rank and good gizmo, making the option rather unprobable.

 

Before I lay numbers, let's agree that one reaches the rank of Generalissimo with two M3 combo and half the existing paints. I say two combos because it's both difficult and rare due to human nature to stick to just one combo throughout the whole way. In high ranks one will need at least half the existing paints, because even if one sticks to a certain combo, one's opponents will use multiple combos so one needs protection from various guns and game styles.

Let's agree also that one will aim to MU at least one M3 combo to M4 (fully MU).

All the above are quite logical I think and they are the basics of most players' needs, aiming to accomplish the last rank.

 

Now, let's see some numbers (=facts)

 

Cost of different hulls from M0 to M3, in crystals  / cost of MicroUpgrades M3->M4 in crystals (including speed ups)

Wasp --> 331.000 / 1.548.000

Hornet --> 252.000 / 1.608.000

Hunder --> 338.000 / 1.482.000

Mammoth --> 324.000 / 1.376.700

 

Cost of different turrets from M0 to M3, in crystals  / cost of MicroUpgrades M3->M4 in crystals(including speed ups)

Firebird --> 376.000 / 1.552.000

Thunder --> 335.000 / 1.714.000

Railgun --> 345.000 / 1.666.000

Twins --> 426.000 / 1.599.000

 

Cost of all paints (above the limit of 20.000 crystals)

Swash to Clay --> 3.180.000

 

So, let's apply those numbers to what we agree above; let's say one has the classic choise of starladder hornet / rail and another combo, say mammoth / twins, and one MUs the hornet / rail combo. The cost of this "package" is

252.000 (hornet) + 345.000 (rail) + 324.000 (mammoth) + 426.000 (twins) + 1.608.000 (hornet MU) + 1.599.000 (rail MU) + 1.590.000 (half of paints) = 6.144.000 crystals

 

How much time do you think is ok for an average player to reach Generalissimo? Shall we say 5 years? (Although, when the Brasilian server started there was a contest for reaching generalissimo as fast as possible and the winner needed only months, not even a year, but nevertheless, let's say that 5 years are near the average)

Let's agree that for this time, one log in five days a week average. It is logical, I think, for a five years period to agree that five days a week is top dedication, considering that no vacasions are taken into account.

So, 5 (days) X 52 (weeks) X 5 (years) = 1300 days in which one must gather 6.144.000 crystals. How much is a day's worth?

4.726 crystals per day!

 

Now, tell me honestly, how many hours must a non-buyer play daily in order to earn 4.726 crystals? (don't think of high ranks only, but of all the between, like a WO3 for example, or a Sergeant)

5 hours? 10 hours? EVERY SINGLE DAY, 5 days a week, FOR FIVE YEARS!

Does it make sense?

Of course not. It's practically impossible for the majority of players to hope for generalissimo without paying hundreds of dollars or euros. So, no more lies about "free" game and ability for one to become generalissimo without spending much money.

All the above, without taking into account the cost of supplies, that is we assume that the said player doesn't need to buy supplies and goes without or with just the free drops. Ridiculous!

 

Nothing more can be said, the numbers are clear and taken from wiki and garage prises. And the numbers say that TO is milking its players, especially after the recent updates.

[DrPotatoes 2]

Your point is still invalid however, it is indeed possible to reach the highest rank without real money, it just takes time as I had said. AND, if you are really skilled, you can make it to M3 without any micro-upgrades, thus saving all of the money that would have been spent on previous Micro-Upgrades for the upgrades to M4. And second, does it actually matter how fast you make it through the game? Are you saying that these games are only here to go through as fast as possible, and that's the only way to play? THINK! Savor the gaming experience, relish the fun times making it through the ranks. Is ranking up actually a process for you? Or do you simply want to get to the end because you can? ANd if you do, why waste money where it clearly doesn't have to be spent? Occasionally on gems sure, but it does not require hundreds of currency units as you say to make it to the end. JUST TIME.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Your point is still invalid however, it is indeed possible to reach the highest rank without real money, it just takes time as I had said. AND, if you are really skilled, you can make it to M3 without any micro-upgrades, thus saving all of the money that would have been spent on previous Micro-Upgrades for the upgrades to M4. And second, does it actually matter how fast you make it through the game? Are you saying that these games are only here to go through as fast as possible, and that's the only way to play? THINK! Savor the gaming experience, relish the fun times making it through the ranks. Is ranking up actually a process for you? Or do you simply want to get to the end because you can? ANd if you do, why waste money where it clearly doesn't have to be spent? Occasionally on gems sure, but it does not require hundreds of currency units as you say to make it to the end. JUST TIME.

 

Let's deal with what you said in bits:

 

1. "it is indeed possible to reach the highest rank without real money, it just takes time as I had said."

I never said it is not possible. I said that for the average player it takes so much time that it becomes chimera (imaginary, unexisting if you don't know the greek word). Don't forget, it's the average player we are talking about here, not the naturals... unless, this game is made for the few very good players that happen to have the time required to play on a daily basis. I don't think so, it's not what TO claims.

 

2. "if you are really skilled, you can make it to M3 without any micro-upgrades, thus saving all of the money that would have been spent on previous Micro-Upgrades"

I skip the part that calls upon skill (that is, for the few I said before) and go to the part that talks about MU before M3.

BUT, in my calculations above, I only charged MUs from M3 to M4, not others. Although, now that you are mentioning it, it is very probable that some might spend crystals in MUs before M3 (as I did with thunder M2, before I spend some time thinking and calculating the real cost of TO). So, what you say is not really an argument.

 

3. "does it actually matter how fast you make it through the game? Are you saying that these games are only here to go through as fast as possible"

Of course not, the game is made to primarily give joy and happiness, and secondary comes the typical accomplisment, although sometime that should become reality too, don't you agree?

But there is hardly any joy or happiness in being a sandbox for those that can afford a better gizmo and lots of power ups. I mean, they've got to be real and totally noobs in order to kill them with much lesser gizmo. It happens, but rarely. So, let's imagine the situation; a guy with M1 combo and almost no drugs against a guy with M2 and drugged... Wow... how much joy do you think this guy gets?

(please, don't mention a natural that makes suicide into a chalenge, it's the average player we're talking for)

These games should provide ways for this average player to spend time and effort, to accomplish even small things, like collecting  10 crystal drop boxes that stopped recently. So that this average player can endure the beating and the loss that is so common in his battles.

 

Besides, there is another factor that I didn't mention before, so that I could be less tiresome. This factor is the ratio between kills, crystals and XP earned. It is natural that whoever wins gets a bigger load in crystals than whoever looses. But both have made some kills and suppose they made the same kills. That means that they both got the same XP from this battle (that is they walked the same distance towards the next rank). But one gets more crystals than the other. If this is a repeating situation - as it is between buyers and non buyers - then they will reach the next rank at the same time ( more or less) but the buyer will have much more crystals than the looser!! :(

So, taking your time means that some way ahead you are going to be seriously underarmed in regard to the one that can afford to buy goodies along the way.

That consequence was being softed via the crystal drops AND the restrictions in drug use (cooling period). Now that no crystals exist (gold boxes still require some skill except from luck, as many gather and fight for them) the distance between buyers and non buyers is going to increase. This is not to ANYBODY'S best interest, including the buyers'.

 

I believe I have said more than enough, if you still think that everybody can be a generalissimo without spending, please send me a message and don't continue this here.. Thanks.

[DrPotatoes 2]

Oh but I will continue from here, you have neglected the fact that as you rank up battles give more gems thus not making it essential to earn the amount of crystals per day that you had mentioned. And what you are also forgetting is that you are not going to be stupid enough (if you're going for crystals) to stay in a battle in which you are outmatched by Pros, you will quit and join a different match with less skilled players.

[icekrieger 7]

How about setting aside a few servers where no drugs can be used? That would please everyone. Losers with no skill could still use their drugs in the regular servers and people with actual skill who want to play fair could play without having their games ruined by druggers.

[DrPotatoes 2]

How about setting aside a few servers where no drugs can be used? That would please everyone. Losers with no skill could still use their drugs in the regular servers and people with actual skill who want to play fair could play without having their games ruined by druggers.

I think you just fixed the "drugging" epidemic. Unless of course this new idea deterrs people from buying "drugs" thus retracting from Tanki's income.

[BANNED_TURBO 0]

:) :) ur right i reaj=lly hate it:excl: :excl:

[RustyNail 1,538]

:ph34r:

 

Guys, this is the topic about drugging  :)

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&hl=

 

:ph34r:

[deadmanrising 715]

The issue of drugging cannot be ignored, i know some time this year they will eventually crack and change smart cooldowns once and for all

[stanzhang 3,291]

Play pro battles