Let's discuss Tanki Online Commentator Contest

[mcmonkey25 717]

What I meant is that experience ITSELF shouldn't be taken into account, the effects of experience such as knowledge should. For example, if someone goes on a talent show, says he's sang for 20 years and has a mediocre voice, he shouldn't be rated more highly than someone who may never have sang in public before but has a very good voice. Of course, if the first singer's experience showed through great manipulation of the music, tonality etc. then his voice wouldn't be considered mediocre in the first place. Judge the entry and not the entrant. I agree with you on this one.

I doubt there will be any reversal on this though? Although there should be... What categories was this judged on?

[zaynbad7 12]

What I meant is that experience ITSELF shouldn't be taken into account, the effects of experience such as knowledge should. For example, if someone goes on a talent show, says he's sang for 20 years and has a mediocre voice, he shouldn't be rated more highly than someone who may never have sang in public before but has a very good voice. Of course, if the first singer's experience showed through great manipulation of the music, tonality etc. then his voice wouldn't be considered mediocre in the first place. Judge the entry and not the entrant. I agree with you on this one.

 

What I meant is that experience ITSELF shouldn't be taken into account, the effects of experience such as knowledge should. For example, if someone goes on a talent show, says he's sang for 20 years and has a mediocre voice, he shouldn't be rated more highly than someone who may never have sang in public before but has a very good voice. Of course, if the first singer's experience showed through great manipulation of the music, tonality etc. then his voice wouldn't be considered mediocre in the first place. Judge the entry and not the entrant. I agree with you on this one.

what you are saying is understandable but reaaalllyyyy did the winners show anyyy of the good sides that you have mantioned i mean the winner obv doesnt know what a wasp look like and the other one talked toooo faassttt and no one can deny that and the third one didnt even know that the battle has started and didnt talk about drop boxes and used some very bad words to describe the match .... and i do understand that you have said that others have diffrents opinions and you dissagree with them so can you please tell them that we are dissapointed and we want to know why they picked those winners .....

[GoldRock 6,165]

I doubt there will be any reversal on this though? Although there should be... What categories was this judged on?

No official categories, but factors such as eSports knowledge, tactical awareness, observations and analysis, effective live action commentary, apparent preparation, audio quality and tone (to a more minor extent), detailed content, and intros/outros were all taken into account. 

 

Unfortunately, there won't be any reversal on this. 1 judge (myself) disagreed with 3rd place (I justified why), the other 2 rated it highly (also justified), and it's the overall view which counts. Maybe it could be considered unfair, but it'd surely be even more unfair if only 1 person got to decide the fate of all the entries.

[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

Alright I concede.  There's no point in continuing this argument anyways.

 

Congratulations to the winners and good luck.

Edited February 5, 2015 by r_Arabiannoble0

[Xtriger 8]

this is not fair this is not fair at all 

 

As always the Staff Won again

Next time pick the players not Staff because thats just cheating to other but first place did pretty good. :tank:

[mcmonkey25 717]

No official categories, but factors such as eSports knowledge, tactical awareness, observations and analysis, effective live action commentary, apparent preparation, audio quality and tone (to a more minor extent), detailed content, and intros/outros were all taken into account. 

 

Unfortunately, there won't be any reversal on this. 1 judge (myself) disagreed with 3rd place (I justified why), the other 2 rated it highly (also justified), and it's the overall view which counts. Maybe it could be considered unfair, but it'd surely be even more unfair if only 1 person got to decide the fate of all the entries.

Ok, I would quite like to hear the views of the other judges as to why they thought 3rd place was so good. As you mentioned his tactical knowledge, eSports knowledge, preparation and analysis are all very flawed, however it seems that the other judges can't be found anywhere.

[GG_reg 1,521]

Next time pick the players not Staff because thats just cheating to other but first place did pretty good. :tank:

Staff should have an equal chance as the players. Anyway usually people moan that staff always win these sorts of things which this contest proves is wrong. Only 2 staff entries (myself and fen and hog's) were prize worthy - none of us won, we had consolation prizes.

[zaynbad7 12]

well no one has answered me and i guess no matter what we say it wont change anything ... anyway we have put so much hours and some money \for the mic\ on this contest but we still got beaten by unworthy players which is a shame that might leads to leaving tanki forever ... anyway congrats to Mr haha that won this contest and that kid too .... bye tanki

[GoldRock 6,165]

what you are saying is understandable but reaaalllyyyy did the winners show anyyy of the good sides that you have mantioned i mean the winner obv doesnt know what a wasp look like and the other one talked toooo faassttt and no one can deny that and the third one didnt even know that the battle has started and didnt talk about drop boxes and used some very bad words to describe the match .... and i do understand that you have said that others have diffrents opinions and you dissagree with them so can you please tell them that we are dissapointed and we want to know why they picked those winners .....

Your points made about the winners are valid - there was a mistake in the first-placed entry, the second-placed entrant talked quite quickly at times, and the third-placed entrant failed to identify drop boxes. I gave different ratings on some entries compared with the other judges, they gave different ratings to me on other entries. There were also differing views in terms of consolation prize winners. However, I do think 1st and 2nd place were well-deserved - considering it's about weighing up the positives AND negatives of each entry, those two entrants did do a commendable job there, in my own opinion. Of course the judges will have different views in the end - every human being is different, fortunately ^_^

 

Ok, I would quite like to hear the views of the other judges as to why they thought 3rd place was so good. As you mentioned his tactical knowledge, eSports knowledge, preparation and analysis are all very flawed, however it seems that the other judges can't be found anywhere.

Well, that's up to them, then - though they aren't obliged to do so, I'm sure you could contact them and ask in a reasonable and respectful manner, they'd probably be happy to share their opinions on the more controversial entries like I have. 

 

Hope I've been able to help clear up some of the issues raised. I do understand the sentiments of many here, but the right way to deal with these views is through proper discussion and explanation, not through getting worked up or angry :P

Edited February 5, 2015 by GoldRock

[GG_reg 1,521]

Your points made about the winners are valid - there was a mistake in the first-placed entry, the second-placed entrant talked quite quickly at times, and the third-placed entrant failed to identify drop boxes. I gave different ratings on some entries compared with the other judges, they gave different ratings to me on other entries. There were also differing views in terms of consolation prize winners. However, I do think 1st and 2nd place were well-deserved - considering it's about weighing up the positives AND negatives of each entry, those two entrants did do a commendable job there, in my own opinion. Of course the judges will have different views in the end - every human being is different, fortunately ^_^

 

Well, that's up to them, then - I'm sure you could contact them and ask in a reasonable and respectful manner, they'd probably be happy to share their opinions on the more controversial entries like I have. 

Just wondering for the sake of players, if you was judging alone, who would be the top 3, in order?

[DarthvaderjonGTR 615]

Just wondering for the sake of players, if you was judging alone, who would be the top 3, in order?

Might not be too appropriate a question to ask in public imo

[MusicJam19 737]

Might not be too appropriate a question to ask in public imo

I don't see why not. Every time there is a competition the losers always complain.

[GoldRock 6,165]

Just wondering for the sake of players, if you was judging alone, who would be the top 3, in order?

Might not be too appropriate a question to ask in public imo

Not going to answer specifically for this reason. I guess it's not about who I would pick, it's about the final decision made by the judges as a whole, and I support that fact.

 

However, to give a general impression, my own ratings tended to be more in-line with player consensus than those of my fellow judges - though that in itself is not necessarily a good or a bad thing. After all, no-one can claim to know for sure what the best entries definitely were - each of us is, in a way, as ignorant as each other when it comes to 'the truth' xD

Edited February 5, 2015 by GoldRock

[zaynbad7 12]

I don't see why not. Every time there is a competition the losers always complain.

i am not complaning because i lost after all i got 40k but if you take  some time of yours and watch my entery or entery and compared them to thw winning ones then you will know what i am talking about

[MusicJam19 737]

i am not complaning because i lost after all i got 40k but if you take  some time of yours and watch my entery or entery and compared them to thw winning ones then you will know what i am talking about

But I am right. Every time the results of a competition comes out, many of the loser complain.

[GG_reg 1,521]

Not going to answer specifically for this reason. I guess it's not about who I would pick, it's about the final decision made by the judges as a whole, and I support that fact.

 

However, to give a general impression, my own ratings tended to be more in-line with player consensus than those of my fellow judges - though that in itself is not necessarily a good or a bad thing. After all, no-one can claim to know for sure what the best entries definitely were - each of us is, in a way, as ignorant as each other when it comes to 'the truth' xD

That's what I was getting at, the judges minds are made up, there's still a chance anyone can become a commentator, like in the past, people have won and done nothing about it.

[mcmonkey25 717]

I don't see why not. Every time there is a competition the losers always complain.

Most of the time, the losers complain because they lost, whether it was fair or not. However, take a look at entries from me, Peace-Keeper-99 or arabiannoble and tell me if they were better than 3rd place. You may find yourself quite puzzled afterwards

[GG_reg 1,521]

Most of the time, the losers complain because they lost, whether it was fair or not. However, take a look at entries from me, Peace-Keeper-99 or arabiannoble and tell me if they were better than 3rd place. You may find yourself quite puzzled afterwards

I agree definitely. I had a list of guesses of who would win the consolation prizes and the top 3 prizes. I won't share, could be offensive.

[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

Most of the time, the losers complain because they lost, whether it was fair or not. However, take a look at entries from me, Peace-Keeper-99 or arabiannoble and tell me if they were better than 3rd place. You may find yourself quite puzzled afterwards

 

 

I agree definitely. I had a list of guesses of who would win the consolation prizes and the top 3 prizes. I won't share, could be offensive.

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[CooperO 7,956]

There's still a chance anyone can become a commentator.

I'm a bit confused though, why would the judges want to accept one of the players that didn't win a prize, as a commentator?

Wouldn't they only want the 'best' contestants to join the team? Even if none of the winners is able to work as a commentator, why would they hire someone they think didn't even deserve to win a consolation prize?

[MeTrIKSS78 272]

Nice 

[GG_reg 1,521]

I'm a bit confused though, why would the judges want to accept one of the players that didn't win a prize, as a commentator?

Wouldn't they only want the 'best' contestants to join the team? Even if none of the winners is able to work as a commentator, why would they hire someone they think didn't even deserve to win a consolation prize?

They won't go chasing after them to ask them to be a commentator. It just gives them a better chance if they applied.

[tony990_Superstar 68]

Wow! It's such an honor to win such an award for Tanki! How do I claim my prize?

[mcmonkey25 717]

^ *cough* see what I mean *cough*

[My_Tiger_Psy 4]

I thought the second guy was better :(