Let's discuss Tanki Online Commentator Contest

[canadarules 1,938]

Sami(arabiannobles) is a very open minded person and willing to take any advice, providing that it is said properly in a constructive manner. He is very relaxed and im sure anything you have to say about how you think he could have improved his video would not be frowned upon by him.

 

You talk about other players videos like yours is all that great. You choked up mutiple times within the first few minutes of your entry and did you mention players names and what tanks they were using at the start of your video? No. Not to mention you also clearly scripted what you were going to say because you must have remade your entry several times, causing you to have a monotone voice throughout your WHOLE video.

 

Hop off your high horse.

i said a million times in this topic i would not win and i just did it for fun, no script or anything unlike most of u guys who wrote scripts. i enter for fun not to win

[tanker538N 394]

The awkward thing is-that both DS and GV are ....well...not very good commentators and they judged the commentary.

 

I have never ever ever ever had anything remotely satisfactory in terms of commentary.

 

Always rubbish

 

Rubbish commentators choose rubbish winners.

woah hold your horses mate . you cant just go around critisizing ( idk the spellin :P )  ppl u know 

[X.Z.F 1,044]

Thanks For Fourth Place :-)

 

Is It Possible To Still Land A Spot As A Commentator?

Edited February 6, 2015 by Makhlas
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[GG_reg 1,521]

Thanks For Fourth Place :-)

 

Is It Possible To Still Land A Spot As A Commentator?

If you came in 4th place, if you applied for commentator, it would definitely give you a good chance.

[Lankbouv 6,347]

My post was perfectly reasonable peacekeeper return it or I'll be complaining.

[Lankbouv 6,347]

How to delete my argument what the heck. Return the posts. They weren't rude. Just because you're supporting your dear staff friends doesn't mean you can use your powers to influence the argument by deleting a good point

[Lankbouv 6,347]

Ok I'm not posting a reply to DS imbecilic comment as my posts are being removed due to unfairness hence I take no further part in this argument and will be reporting peacekeeper for abusing his powers.

[hogree 4,179]

whether on forum or on skype you criticise so hard about "noob commentators" like you're a real super pro one and all you got is arguments of the type "hey they didn't mention drop boxes !! " ??

 

Man you so pro, we should give you a prize and hire you for the real job immediately even if you didn't take part in this contest.  Reason for that being you're the only person among all 60 participants who pointed out

 

 

gangstachel's incredible beast team-play from the moment he spawned while eguards was capping, he took that DP, took a smoky shot from holy_hero, but hid on the ramp evading spravochnik's long shot, then rises up and puts down both spravochnik and choodofire in an awesome inclined-angled well timed double-shot, wiping the entire defense of eguards at that particular instant, thus opening the way for UDJIK to grab the flag, and without wasting a single split-second jumps down to rush towards the flagman, but at the same time knowing holy_hero's gonna be on his back, and so immediately turns around, driving backwards under hot fire from holy_hero and successfully dispatching him while having already come as far up on the field to meet with his team mate who's then only beginning to exit the enemy base on low health and who's not gonna fare long losing the flag just a few metres in front of gangstachel who's already following behind, picks up the flag just under KOT-9's nose and dispatching him as well with an incredible shot lighted just a few milliseconds before the latter did, and keeps on running towards his base, only to lose it just under PARD who then has the much easier job of relaying up the flag through the final few metres, swapping with jan007 who completes the capture.

 

 

Oh wait !!  you did not point that out, nor any other "pro" thing a pro would have noticed in a video that's been up there for more than 2 weeks + needless to say since that game was played, and I don't even recall seeing any single entry made by you for this contest  :huh:

 

Fact of the matter is none of us here are pros, not the contestants, not the judges, definitely not myself, and absolutely not you !  So next time please be a little more considerate before machine-gunning out those criticisms against people who at least made an effort

 

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^ applies to all of you who are criticising people about the littlest of things over here 

 

Hi DS. I think you're dealing with the wrong issue. We aren't talking about who's got a right to say what. We're dealing with the judges' decision - after all this is a contest. It's all well and good saying that Lank was criticising when he hadn't entered, but he has a right to do so. From an audience's perspective, basic things stand out. Firstly, it was clearly promised to the Top 3 Winners that they would have a chance to join the Tanki Online Cybersport Team. And thus, linked in to that, when seeing the winners of the competition were clearly deficient in certain arenas, he has a completely valid right to note their mistakes. These people are apparently going to become our commentators on the StarSeries games! Do we really want someone who can't even tell when a battle starts, let alone note tactical differences between Viking and Hornet, to be giving us a run-down of commentary on the big stage? Surely that would be slightly demeaning to viewers knowledgeable in Starladder, having to listen to someone who frankly knows a lot less than themselves. Surely you would be wanting as a commentary team to have people who have shown that they can at least note basic tactics...?

 

You mentioned the tactical moment where gangstachel did a fantastic double shot and backed up UDJIK well. Well, I don't know about other videos, but in Fen's and mine, I certainly mentioned gangsta's double-shot. So, if that was what you were looking for, as you clearly expressed, why then....? If you'll pardon me, it seems like a confused decision. I say this purely from my own perspective but I believe you missed out on the purpose of the contest in your result, particularly for third place. Was this not to find new commentators for the team? I somehow recall that that was the main intention of the contest.

 

I'm just trying to work a few things through in my mind here. If you thought the top 3 were best, why then are you suddenly saying that the top 3 are not guaranteed a position in the CS Team which they were quite clearly offered? Surely the best three commentators for the video should become the best three commentators on the Channel? Or aren't you sure anymore?

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not "machine-gunning out criticisms". All of the top three entries were well and good, and deserved recognition. They all flowed well, and all had good commentators' voices. But I feel you missed the mark on what you needed. What the CS Team needed.

[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

My sentiments echoed ^

Edited February 6, 2015 by r_Arabiannoble0

[shanj 0]

Hey poeple where can I watch all the entries...? Can someone post some youtube link?

[falcosenna1 8,320]

Hey poeple where can I watch all the entries...? Can someone post some youtube link?

You can find all the entries in this topic.

[P_A_N_T_H_E_O_N 315]

The judging was just bad. (Except from the first winner).

[X.Z.F 1,044]

If you came in 4th place, if you applied for commentator, it would definitely give you a good chance.

How DO You Apply?

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

i cant believe how serious you are ... dude that kid didn't even know when the match has started ... and the PROBLEM AGAIN IS not the fact that he has won its the fact that there are soo many other players who definitely didn't make the mistakes that he made and that definitely did make a very obvious effort and they really commentate better than him so just tell us what made you choose that kid as a winner ... we all wanna know how you picked him and not someone who deserve it

easy.  1st off we disregarded his age, his voice, his rank and his "apparent knowledge of starladder" , because face it most participants knowledge about that is weak.

 

Judging past these criteria there are many little things the kid did which appealed to the judges who were happy rewarding his good efforts made.  Sure he didn't know the match starts off at 10:00, but unlike many of you putting the horse down for this kind of issue, we were able to look beyond that for other clues.

 

Again, had this been a contest dedicated for the next eSports commentating official this fellow wouldn't have even attained a podium finish, perhaps not even a consolation prize.  

 

But the contest wasn't about that !!!  

 

It was an open contest dedicated to the wider audience of tanki, not for specialists !  Look again at the advert for the contest, nowhere in there was it written "for the pros" and not even for the casual enthusiasts for the matter.  Its just meant to be a fun-for-all event for people of all kind, all ages, all background regardless of their prior technical knowledge or specific starladder knowledge.  Therefore the judging was made to suit that general type of participants, which are vastly uninitiated to eSports and starladder.

 

In that regard the judges didn't do bad at all.  Changing any results now to suit a more esports/starladder oriented group would be extremely unfair to the rest of the people who participated and the community at large.

 

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That said, after rechecking the table used by the judges, DuckHonk and Arabiannoble only missed the minimum line for a consolation prize by 0.5 points.  Can't get any closer than that !

 

Will discuss with the rest of the administration and see if we can lower the bar to include these fellas in the consolation prize zone.  I'm sure that can be achieved :)  However due to DuckHonk violating the rules of the contest, he won't touch any of the crystals that come with that, but hey he already got a special mention, so he can't complain.

[trollface.jpg 538]

What the judges did is correct. We are no where comparable to their experience.

We simply cannot argue on the decision made by someone like Damn_Slow and his fellow judges.

[MarineMan2 1,164]

Hello judges, fellow players. *tips hat* I just figured it would be worth looking into this topic before the contest draws to a close so I may provide a few remarks from my own perspective (haha, as if there hasn't been enough of that already, but onwards).

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After rewatching some... even some of the consolation prizes were so poor quality I couldn't understand what they were saying.  I didn't even get consolation.

My butthurt is unreal right now.

 

This is what should have happened (omitting my own entry because I'm biased)

 

1. MarineMan2

2. Peacekeeper

3. Fen Harel and hogree

^^^ all three interchangeable based upon personal opinion

 

 

With consolation to:

mcmonkey, Tank Craze, zaynbad, Titanium Falcon, Darthvaderjohn GTR.

 

Not a single other person should have been even close to getting any prizes or recognized in any way whatsoever.

 

Absolutely shocking that you didn't even recognize marine man.  I'm actually meeting people literally everywhere who are laughing their heads off at the final results.

 

Again congrats to the winners and good luck.

Firstly, man, it's ok. I actually took the initiative to speak with DS about why I did not pull up even a consolation prize, and his explanation to me was more than satisfactory. As I see it, I had a few to many "um"s in my entry, didn't have any time to even remotely imagine what I was going to do and say, nor how I would act and respond when I saw things play out. I had no true strategy going into this particular contest, as I only had 15 minutes! This being the case, I was forced to watch the video in a lower quality on YouTube when I recorded myself to ensure that I didn't suffer lags and miss a second of the action. DS then pointed out to me that a big let down had been my absence of using their usernames, and I totally agree, but that was just the way it had to be if I even wanted to have a chance at entering. This time, I seemingly walked away with nothing, but in truth, I've learned so much just from this one experience, watching other's experience, and trying to comprehend the judges decisions and their thought processes.

 

I'm serious but the winners and consolations were just... unbelievable, I'm saying this in a bad way... most of them were like just mumbling and for like 1 min they were just looking at the battle and not talking... Ok the judges made there choices but they were more precise people talking about the battle like MarineMan2 and Arabiannoble! Its like they were not even noticed! Its honestly Annoying me seeing this people who took soooo long on their videos and got nothing... not even consolation! They didnt mumble, they were so detailed when they were commentating the battle! saying stuff about offensive and defensive strategys those to amazing teams were using! The battle was unbelievable, especially with there fantastic commentary it made the battle so much intence and exxciting just how these people talked its like they were amazing and probaly took several times to get the video they wanted. I say some of the people who won werent half bad! but its so disapointing seeing these 2 amazing people loose and its not just me thinking they should win! Theres many others! just wait till the spam gets real tanki online...

-Swaglord101

Don't be annoyed, the judges knowledge is so ingrained in their minds that it has become second hand to them. They can pretty easily see if something is quality or not. Just because I have done well in the past, does not immediately imply I'd do equally as well this time. Besides, imagine if I came out as one of the top three, people would be screaming left and right, "BIAS, BIAS, BIAS!!! HE'S ALREADY A STAFF MEMBER!!!" It would have been outrageous, so it was bound to get mentioned either way.

 

What the judges did is correct. We are no where comparable to their experience.
We simply cannot argue on the decision made by someone like Damn_Slow and his fellow judges.

Actually, I agree, and equally disagree with you at the same time. Being "correct" is all relative to the opinion. In this case, the opinion was relative to those most skilled in commentating, but that does not necessarily make their judgement unquestionable. The judgement was final; yes, but that does not mean it was unquestionable. As Hogree said further back in this topic, we have every right to understand the ruling, and why it was made. And particularly, the bit you said here, "We simply cannot argue on the decision made by someone like Damn_Slow and his fellow judges.". I think that with a minor tweak, I'd be able to agree with you. If you flip the places of "simply cannot" you'll have "cannot simply", which given the way this should be handled, makes more sense. We can discuss, and request further explanation, but arguing is out of the question. The way you phrased it, you implied that we could not request anything, but with this minor edit, it says that we can not lower ourselves to the level of arguing over something that is already over with, and pointless to pursue in such a regard.

 

Let's quit this foolish bickering, and ask questions POLITELY only once, rather than flooding this place with so dang many of the same thing. Haha, I sure would have liked more to win, but I such as many others, just didn't cut it this time. Keep entering for every contest, and eventually, no matter how long it takes, you're bound to find your forte. :)

 

Good luck guys, and I'll see you in the battle.

[trollface.jpg 538]

Finally found a Gammer Nazi :P

 

I'm weak English and you corrected. Thanks :)

[zaynbad7 12]

easy.  1st off we disregarded his age, his voice, his rank and his "apparent knowledge of starladder" , because face it most participants knowledge about that is weak.

 

Judging past these criteria there are many little things the kid did which appealed to the judges who were happy rewarding his good efforts made.  Sure he didn't know the match starts off at 10:00, but unlike many of you putting the horse down for this kind of issue, we were able to look beyond that for other clues.

 

Again, had this been a contest dedicated for the next eSports commentating official this fellow wouldn't have even attained a podium finish, perhaps not even a consolation prize.  

 

But the contest wasn't about that !!!  

 

It was an open contest dedicated to the wider audience of tanki, not for specialists !  Look again at the advert for the contest, nowhere in there was it written "for the pros" and not even for the casual enthusiasts for the matter.  Its just meant to be a fun-for-all event for people of all kind, all ages, all background regardless of their prior technical knowledge or specific starladder knowledge.  Therefore the judging was made to suit that general type of participants, which are vastly uninitiated to eSports and starladder.

 

In that regard the judges didn't do bad at all.  Changing any results now to suit a more esports/starladder oriented group would be extremely unfair to the rest of the people who participated and the community at large.

 

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That said, after rechecking the table used by the judges, DuckHonk and Arabiannoble only missed the minimum line for a consolation prize by 0.5 points.  Can't get any closer than that !

 

Will discuss with the rest of the administration and see if we can lower the bar to include these fellas in the consolation prize zone.  I'm sure that can be achieved :)  However due to DuckHonk violating the rules of the contest, he won't touch any of the crystals that come with that, but hey he already got a special mention, so he can't complain.

hhhhhhhhhh dude you cant even deny it this type of decisions where you put as a winner a kid and say that we choose him regardless of his age and the fact that he didn't know when the match start and the fact that he didn't know anything about drop boxes and he called a double damage a repair box and he used some very bad words to describe what was going on like using he scored its not a football match and he has no knowledge about this and you also choose as a winner a guy who doesnt know what a wasp look like because he called the wasp a hornet and he keeps repeating that HAHA which i find annoying and you also didnt shoose another guy just because he repeated um and thats not logical and there is this other guy that was talking tooo faast that even someone who knows english well wouldnt know what he was saying and you said to that kid that he doesnt have a chance to join the commentating team WHILE there are some very good entries that didn't talk fast and that had knowledge and had a much better voice and that loved with all their  hearts commentating and put so much efforts and hours for this that didnt win then i guess you had noooo absolute intention of making this contest in order to let people join the commentary team thats the only explanation because while shooting unworthy players as winners and admitting there lack of knowledge and there mistakes then it means one thing which is you dont want us to take a place in the commentary team ... you could have said it from the first day that you are not looking for pro entries but you are looking for noobs entries to make them win and give them prizes .... and i think i have the total right to say what i want about this because you had the total right of judjing ... so thats my idea and dont tell me to aply for that job because if i wanted to do so i wont get accepted since i commentated and showed you what i got and i still lost while other unworthy enteries won 

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[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

 

Will discuss with the rest of the administration and see if we can lower the bar to include these fellas in the consolation prize zone.  I'm sure that can be achieved :)  However due to DuckHonk violating the rules of the contest, he won't touch any of the crystals that come with that, but hey he already got a special mention, so he can't complain.

You don't have to do that, I don't mind the crystals, I just want to know that your process for  commentator recruitment is secure and that maybe the opporunities you provide are well rounded in judgement.

[MarineMan2 1,164]

Finally found a Gammer Nazi :P

 

I'm weak English and you corrected. Thanks :)

Firstly, I don't care for that analogy, no matter what the context. Additionally, I wasn't picking on you for your words, I just assumed you knew what you were saying, and hence tried to express what I was saying. The way you speak expresses how you feel about things, be careful before you just throw something out there. In this case it was minor, but in other cases a small misunderstanding could change the dynamics of everything. Here you suggested everyone shut their trap and take it (which in all fairness isn't too shabby an idea given all the complaining here), but I think that everyone ought to at least be able to get a grasp as to how the judges thought things out simply so those with inquires may grow to be better and stronger commentators.

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

You don't have to do that, I don't mind the crystals, I just want to know that your process for  commentator recruitment is secure and that maybe the opporunities you provide are well rounded in judgement.

Again, the contest is one thing, the real job is a separate thing.  The contest wasn't meant to be and isn't going to be a recruiting method for official tankionline commentators.  The staff team included a "get a chance to join the official commentating team" and that chance will only materialize if the staff team and the administration decide they've been sufficiently satisfied and convinced that the person will suit job well and at its discretion may invite the person to join the official commentating team.

 

At no place in there was any mention of something of a "guaranteed staff position"

 

The administration is still open to consider all applications made for the commentator position regardless of whether they won in here or not, whether they participated in here or not.

 

So for all who want to join the commentator team, go to Helpers of the project section and apply there.  Good Luck :)

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

hhhhhhhhhh dude you cant even deny it this type of decisions where you put as a winner a kid and say that we choose him regardless of his age and the fact that he didn't know when the match start and the fact that he didn't know anything about drop boxes and he called a double damage a repair box and he used some very bad words to describe what was going on like using he scored its not a football match and he has no knowledge about this and you also choose as a winner a guy who doesnt know what a wasp look like because he called the wasp a hornet and he keeps repeating that HAHA which i find annoying and you also didnt shoose another guy just because he repeated um and thats not logical and there is this other guy that was talking tooo faast that even someone who knows english well wouldnt know what he was saying and you said to that kid that he doesnt have a chance to join the commentating team WHILE there are some very good entries that didn't talk fast and that had knowledge and had a much better voice and that loved with all their  hearts commentating and put so much efforts and hours for this that didnt win then i guess you had noooo absolute intention of making this contest in order to let people join the commentary team thats the only explanation because while shooting unworthy players as winners and admitting there lack of knowledge and there mistakes then it means one thing which is you dont want us to take a place in the commentary team ... you could have said it from the first day that you are not looking for pro entries but you are looking for noobs entries to make them win and give them prizes .... and i think i have the total right to say what i want about this because you had the total right of judjing ... so thats my idea and dont tell me to aply for that job because if i wanted to do so i wont get accepted since i commentated and showed you what i got and i still lost while other unworthy enteries won 

Man that's just not cool, you're just hating on that kid and these good people now.  They didn't steal anything from you, and they too put a lot of efforts and love into it.  So don't be that harsh on them bro.  

 

Also already commented on how the entries were judged above, and no !  We aren't the kind who'd disqualify someone on the basis of him being a young lad, or discriminate by virtue of their lower in-game rank or their funny HAHA which you find annoying or their talking pace being too fast for you to understand.

 

Besides we too can tell similar things about your video, which might hurt you actually, and that won't be nice at all.  So please be considerate in your criticism about these other chaps

 

Absolutely untrue !!  Please see my previous post about that.  We still care about your application and that of everyone who'd wish to apply for the commentator job.

 

And you're welcome to keep doing so in a polite and civic manner :)

 

Well you're right on that and its a failure on our part to not have made that clearer since the start.  Apologies.  The contest was not meant to be dedicated to recruit for the cybersport staff team, just a small even to let our players have some fun and express themselves in a commentator situation, with a possibility of an invitation for those who shined to join the official team, provided they qualified for it.

 

Again apologies to all of you who interpreted it the other way due to our miscommunication.

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

Hi DS. I think you're dealing with the wrong issue. We aren't talking about who's got a right to say what. We're dealing with the judges' decision - after all this is a contest. It's all well and good saying that Lank was criticising when he hadn't entered, but he has a right to do so. From an audience's perspective, basic things stand out. Firstly, it was clearly promised to the Top 3 Winners that they would have a chance to join the Tanki Online Cybersport Team. And thus, linked in to that, when seeing the winners of the competition were clearly deficient in certain arenas, he has a completely valid right to note their mistakes. These people are apparently going to become our commentators on the StarSeries games! Do we really want someone who can't even tell when a battle starts, let alone note tactical differences between Viking and Hornet, to be giving us a run-down of commentary on the big stage? Surely that would be slightly demeaning to viewers knowledgeable in Starladder, having to listen to someone who frankly knows a lot less than themselves. Surely you would be wanting as a commentary team to have people who have shown that they can at least note basic tactics...?

 

You mentioned the tactical moment where gangstachel did a fantastic double shot and backed up UDJIK well. Well, I don't know about other videos, but in Fen's and mine, I certainly mentioned gangsta's double-shot. So, if that was what you were looking for, as you clearly expressed, why then....? If you'll pardon me, it seems like a confused decision. I say this purely from my own perspective but I believe you missed out on the purpose of the contest in your result, particularly for third place. Was this not to find new commentators for the team? I somehow recall that that was the main intention of the contest.

 

I'm just trying to work a few things through in my mind here. If you thought the top 3 were best, why then are you suddenly saying that the top 3 are not guaranteed a position in the CS Team which they were quite clearly offered? Surely the best three commentators for the video should become the best three commentators on the Channel? Or aren't you sure anymore?

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not "machine-gunning out criticisms". All of the top three entries were well and good, and deserved recognition. They all flowed well, and all had good commentators' voices. But I feel you missed the mark on what you needed. What the CS Team needed.

For those who followed the conversations since it started, Lank mentioned about "who are you to judge when we're you're yourselves complete noobs" and the reply he got was just a mere throwback of his own criticism approach applied to himself, i.e. "who are you to say that about the judges when you're yourself clearly no way more qualified or knowledgeable than them"

 

Yes he does, no one's denying that, and I do particularly enjoy his critiques btw ;)

 

See yellow part in my previous post.

 

Why you ask?  You answered it yourself in the green part ;)

 

oh me still very sure m8 and not getting you wrong at all, just running out of colours to reply

 

Sorry you feel that way. The only mark we missed was keeping a tough line for who gets a consolation prize and who doesn't, and that too has been rectified to not penalise Arabiannoble and DuckHonk for missing out by only a fraction of a point (0.5 to be precise).  There's more info about that in one of my previous comments in this thread, please look it up

[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

The rainbow colors have made me go blind.

 

But addressed to Damn_Slow...

I lost the competition fair and square, I don't deserve the 40k cry based on the final judging.  I accept the final results and I don't want to get favors because you are feeling the pressure or for whatever reason.

I'm going to decline the lenient offer (if I even have the right to) but I'm still going to be pestering you m9 in applying for a commentator spot :3

Edited February 6, 2015 by r_Arabiannoble0

[hogree 4,179]

 

 

For those who followed the conversations since it started, Lank mentioned about "who are you to judge when we're you're yourselves complete noobs" and the reply he got was just a mere throwback of his own criticism approach applied to himself, i.e. "who are you to say that about the judges when you're yourself clearly no way more qualified or knowledgeable than them"

 

Yes he does, no one's denying that, and I do particularly enjoy his critiques btw ;)

 

See yellow part in my previous post.

 

Why you ask? You answered it yourself in the green part ;)

 

oh me still very sure m8 and not getting you wrong at all, just running out of colours to reply

 

Sorry you feel that way. The only mark we missed was keeping a tough line for who gets a consolation prize and who doesn't, and that too has been rectified to not penalise Arabiannoble and DuckHonk for missing out by only a fraction of a point (0.5 to be precise). There's more info about that in one of my previous comments in this thread, please look it up

Hi DS. Thanks for your reply. I now understand what you say regarding the purpose of the contest. However, it does leave me curious as to your differentiation between commentators aspiring for Starladder commentary and those who you chose, such as the third position. Surely, the best commentators would be the ones who are best on the big stage, forgetting the purpose even. All the same, I won't Dispute. Just putting across that even though you say you werent aiming for Starladder commentators it doesn't change that the decisions still seem to have the wrong priorities. But it does come down to your choice.

 

As for arabianoble and DuckHonk, I would suggest that's a bad precedent. Changing your opinion now on that only leaves your decision for the top three, already dubious, to be more fiercely contended.