Reduce power of garage supplies

[Official-Kofi 29]

English*

 

I thought I've been doing ok so far. I get squiggly lines under my words if I get them wrong! :wacko:

It's a figure of speech

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

So, your point is what? If you're trying to push this point by stating how many druggers there are in discussion on this topic, I'm going to say that it's the other way around -- you druggers flocked to this topic to purposely try to prove that there are more druggers than non-druggers, which is not only immature but also probably false...

I have based my claim, that anti-druggers and druggers are a minority, on the battles that I and my friends have joined.

I have a below WO account, a Captain account, and a Generalissimo. In my battles (pro and none pro) I get asked to stop drugging from about 1 player in a total of a few battles. I get told noob drugger by no more than 1 per 20 players maximum. And one day I asked around who hates drugs (I was in battles when I asked and not the server chat), how many times did I get an answer? Once or twice. The FACT is anti-druggers are a real low population of players. None druggers are also a minority but they know how to deal with it. Another minority is the none SCD population The majority want drugs the way they are.

I see you beleive that what you think is only an opinion (a hypothesis) and you dont try to develope it into a fact. (Theory and then fact)

 

Again with the "get PRO pass" argument. I can't speak for everyone, but the problem that I have with this argument isn't the price (honestly 5K isn't really that bad if you're a decent player), it's the fact that I HAVE to pay any sum of crystals per month to play in skill-based battles, rather than roided-out slugfests.

The FACT is none pro battles are skill-based. Its your OPINION that has 0 bases and originates from some form of uncontrolled emotion that is unjustified.

 

Forcing players through a money gate (regardless of cost) to get to the decent battles is the equivalent of Tanki taking a dog-sized bowel movement on their free-to-play community, and by that I mean the bowel movement is the size of a dog (sorry, that metaphor got away from me).

How?

You are so damn selfish and dont think about others.

THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS use drugs and want them. Many many many of them dont buy drugs or crystals. WHY SHOULD *THEY* HAVE TO BUY THE PASS!!!!?????

This just angered me.

See how ridiculous anti druggers are? Selfish noobs who want catered to.

If most none buyers dont complain about drugs and like to use drugs..... why should theu have tp buy the pro pass so that anti druggers live happily ever after in totally wastefullness.

Now if you suggest that pro be free for all.... or drug option free... then hell! Let gifts, supplies, equipment, premium, crystals, and xp be free too.

 

While I applaud your faith in your opinions, they're still opinions -- you view the situation from the side of the druggers, who mostly say (not all, but most) "I have plenty of money -- I shall use it to dominate the poor and helpless in an effort to make lesser men weak!" which (in my opinion) is not only selfish and unkind, but also ruins the game for a lot of players.

Lets analyze this:

Many of my Opinions are fact. I didnt come here to share my opinion. I came here to give a wake up call to anti druggers in hope that they will wake up. I dont mind them not drugging, just I mind how they "dog-sized bowlmovement" all over the majority. While no one can write an argument with out an opinion I try to make reason with solid claims that are fact.

 

Do you know the average drugger? He is the average tanker. Do you know why players play tanki? Do destroy other player's tank. Ur claim about "...to dominate the poor and helpless in an effort to make lesser men weak!" Is true for all tankers.

Doesnt mean its all I want. I want good gameplay, I want a challenge, and I certainly want to plau with the highest of my abbility. There is a place for the weak who dont want my challenge but I offer it to anyone and the majority accept my challenge.

 

Point is this -- opinions and facts are literally antonyms, and when someone tries to state their opinion as fact, I assume their intelligence status to equal that of someone who would overturn a ship full of orphans simply because he doesn't want sharks to go hungry (again that metaphor, but you get the point).

Ok.

Though that metaphor doesnt concern me I have an OPINION situation for you.

You are thirsty, you have an empty cola bottle with the little bit if drops inside. You are next to a faucet and next to a store. You see a man buy a bottle of cold water. You ask him to empty his water into the cola bottle so that you can use his clean bottle. Now he suggests you just wash the cola bottle out and you say "you do it".

[RustyNail 1,538]

"I have an idea! Lets reply to a post and then just ignore everything someone says to it and call the person a troll!" I never said the pro pass was overpriced. I think you should just learn english. And about friends overpowering druggers, tanki has a system that only lets people join the side with less players. All inviting friends will do is replace your team that ragequit.

Unless of course they use mults to equal the number momentarily and then, after they join their friend's team, withdraw the mults.

I've seen this happening more than once.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Ok,I haven't read the discussion fully so this is my first actual sense making post here

 

If you guys Reduce the number of garage supplies still those who buy crys or are super savers will top every time and crush you people like me who doesn't has a OP garage try to even this out by drugging if there weren't drugs my D/L would have been .50 by now so think of it

 

Not really.

Just think of this:

 

Buyers have supplies that come from drops + supplies kits.

Non buyers have supplies that come from drops.

 

If supplies kits become more expensive, then buyers will purchase somehow less.

Then, they will have less in battles.

But non buyers will have the same amount as before.

 

So, making supplies more expensive removes a percentage of power from top buyers.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Not really.

Just think of this:

 

Buyers have supplies that come from drops + supplies kits.

Non buyers have supplies that come from drops.

 

If supplies kits become more expensive, then buyers will purchase somehow less.

Then, they will have less in battles.

But non buyers will have the same amount as before.

 

So, making supplies more expensive removes a percentage of power from top buyers.

all nice yet what u said is false.

none buyers get free supplies therefore use dropd and garage

[RustyNail 1,538]

 

I get supplies from missions saving etc

Yes. Exactly. Free, so to speak. Nothing to do with cost of supplies. So, what I wrote counts.. B)

 

 

all nice yet what u said is false.
none buyers get free supplies therefore use dropd and garage

Kiddo, are you inarticulate? If you can't understand what you read, then do us a favor and don't reply.

 

 

Excellent remark once again ;)

You two have a lot in common... understanding of english for instance... :P

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Don't misunderstand the point I'm making.  Anyone can buy crystals or premium passes and players can do that if they so wish as it's there money - you won't find any complaints from me there. Perhaps I wasn't quite clear. On the last few pages I've been trying to make the argument on how someone, at my rank at least, can in theory sustain a certain level of drugging without buying.  I used my own usage as an example of how to sustain a certain level and shown another example which would be unsustainable.

I see, thanks for the clarification. :)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Not really.

Just think of this:

 

Buyers have supplies that come from drops + supplies kits.

Non buyers have supplies that come from drops.

 

If supplies kits become more expensive, then buyers will purchase somehow less.

Then, they will have less in battles.

But non buyers will have the same amount as before.

 

So, making supplies more expensive removes a percentage of power from top buyers.

Nowadays kits are at 80% off.

I bought kits at 60% and 50% before this kit.... so how does this affect much other than just warp the world to fit the title "drugs unsustainable"

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Your so-called "relevant" suggestion actually aims at annoying buyers - who support this company - solely for the purpose of improving playing conditions of cheapskate and selfish free-users B)

PS: I'm shocked to see you dare to keep taking part in this thread even if we found out you lied several times

I was half expecting him to take a trip to brubook.... aka.pack his bags and leave

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Unless of course they use mults to equal the number momentarily and then, after they join their friend's team, withdraw the mults.

I've seen this happening more than once.

So then you use mults. Multing is against the rules, so that really wouldnt fix anything.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

I am only on phone. My forum life is via phone

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

I have based my claim, that anti-druggers and druggers are a minority, on the battles that I and my friends have joined.

I have a below WO account, a Captain account, and a Generalissimo. In my battles (pro and none pro) I get asked to stop drugging from about 1 player in a total of a few battles. I get told noob drugger by no more than 1 per 20 players maximum. And one day I asked around who hates drugs (I was in battles when I asked and not the server chat), how many times did I get an answer? Once or twice. The FACT is anti-druggers are a real low population of players. None druggers are also a minority but they know how to deal with it.

First off, asking your friends how many druggers there are in a game (who I'm guessing are also druggers) probably isn't the best idea, since their opinions are (like yours) very much biased, and I'd hardly call them a reliable source of information. I'd prefer hard facts, like you did with the server charts, thank you very much.

 

Secondly, a lot of us non-druggers aren't vocal about our beliefs in-game, mainly because a} we either get frustrated and leave, b} we don't want to start a fight, or c} you druggers are EXTREMELY vehement about defending your gameplay style (which you literally just proved in your latest post)

 

The FACT is none pro battles are skill-based.

Well, I'm very glad that you backed up this statement with generous amounts of evidence.  <_<

 

THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS use drugs and want them. Many many many of them dont buy drugs or crystals. WHY SHOULD *THEY* HAVE TO BUY THE PASS!!!!?????

This just angered me.

See how ridiculous anti druggers are? Selfish noobs who want catered to.

"Its your OPINION... and originates from some form of uncontrolled emotion that is unjustified."

 

And you have the gall to claim I have poor emotional control? Tsk tsk...

 

Also I feel you misunderstood my dog-sized bowel movement metaphor. I believe that PRO battles without drugs (not without supply drops) are fair and balanced (and I would like to see you disagree with that statement because that would make you appear even more dumb). If free players are forced to pay any sum of crystals to participate in fair and balanced battles, then I'd call bullcrap.

 

This would be comparable to Team Fortress 2 (who advertises being free-to-play) stating "Our game is free-to-play, but you can only fight 4v8 battles until you pay us money".

 

Not to mention the fact that PRO battles without drugs are not readily available at any given rank, which several tankers have proven, but I guess you just blew those off?

 

 While no one can write an argument with out an opinion I try to make reason with solid claims that are fact.

Really? Let's analyze this... you stated:

• Druggers are the majority, non-druggers are the minority (UNPROVEN)
• The winners of non-pro battles (aka battles with drugs) are determined by the amount of skill on each team (OPINION)
• PRO pass is the answer to solving drug problems (OPINION)
• Your opinions are facts (OPINION)
• I am selfish and don't care about others (OPINION)
• All tankers care about is blowing other tanks up and winning [with the implication that they don't care about game balance and fairness] (OPINION)
• Non-druggers are incapable of writing an argument without stating an opinion (OPINION)

That last one cracks me up.  :lol:

 

You are thirsty, you have an empty cola bottle with the little bit if drops inside. You are next to a faucet and next to a store. You see a man buy a bottle of cold water. You ask him to empty his water into the cola bottle so that you can use his clean bottle. Now he suggests you just wash the cola bottle out and you say "you do it".

You really need to work on your metaphors -- that statement portrays someone who is selfish, lazy, and takes advantage of others. The very fact that I am fighting for a fairer game that does not pick winners based on who has more money, but picks winners based on who has more skill at the game, should prove that I care about the masses of Tanki. But I fear that you're too blinded by your absolute power to see this, and will treat anyone who opposes your absolute power as an enemy.

 

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

First off, asking your friends how many druggers there are in a game (who I'm guessing are also druggers) probably isn't the best idea, since their opinions are (like yours) very much biased, and I'd hardly call them a reliable source of information. I'd prefer hard facts, like you did with the server charts, thank you very much.

 

just simple plain ignorance... thats what this is.

Ill help tighten ur blindfold if you want.

ill let you suffer from the lack of knowledge you so adamantly fight for.

I play with 1 or 2 friends at a time. I play many times with players I dont know.

 

 

Secondly, a lot of us non-druggers aren't vocal about our beliefs in-game, mainly because a} we either get frustrated and leave, b} we don't want to start a fight, or c} you druggers are EXTREMELY vehement about defending your gameplay style (which you literally just proved in your latest post)

OK. Already thought of that... thats why i check and slowly register who drugs and who doesnt.... usually only a few dont.

 

 

Well, I'm very glad that you backed up this statement with generous amounts of evidence.  <_<

 

Im afraid there is plenty to go around. Id consider it flood if I did post examples

 

"Its your OPINION... and originates from some form of uncontrolled emotion that is unjustified."

 

And you have the gall to claim I have poor emotional control? Tsk tsk...

 

I was angry at someones untastefull behavior and got angry. You have a life controlling passive emotion control problem IMO.... its how you write

 

 

Also I feel you misunderstood my dog-sized bowel movement metaphor. I believe that PRO battles without drugs (not without supply drops) are fair and balanced (and I would like to see you disagree with that statement because that would make you appear even more dumb). If free players are forced to pay any sum of crystals to participate in fair and balanced battles, then I'd call bullcrap.

 

 

Not to mention the fact that PRO battles without drugs are not readily available at any given rank, which several tankers have proven, but I guess you just blew those off?

Im pleased to announce that you dont nèed to call bullcrap "If free players are forced to pay any sum of crystals to participate in fair and balanced battles, then I'd call bullcrap"

Supply less battles with drops are indeed balanced.... no more tham standard battles.

Fine, I take it that supply less battles are rare...

thats not the issue.

 

 

Really? Let's analyze this... you stated:

 

• Druggers are the majority, non-druggers are the minority (UNPROVEN)
• The winners of non-pro battles (aka battles with drugs) are determined by the amount of skill on each team (OPINION)
• PRO pass is the answer to solving drug problems (OPINION)
• Your opinions are facts (OPINION)
• I am selfish and don't care about others (OPINION)
• All tankers care about is blowing other tanks up and winning [with the implication that they don't care about game balance and fairness] (OPINION)
• Non-druggers are incapable of writing an argument without stating an opinion (OPINION)

That last one cracks me up.  :lol:

 

 

What do I have to say about this?

Did you epoxy your eyes?!!!!!!!!!

 

All this is wrong. Do you want proof?

First prove to me that what I said there is wrong and is not a fact. You can type OPINION all you like but that does not mean it isnt a fact.

its ur wrong assumption and ignorance that is talking here.

 

You really need to work on your metaphors -- that statement portrays someone who is selfish, lazy, and takes advantage of others. The very fact that I am fighting for a fairer game that does not pick winners based on who has more money, but picks winners based on who has more skill at the game, should prove that I care about the masses of Tanki. But I fear that you're too blinded by your absolute power to see this, and will treat anyone who opposes .. bla bla bla

(I, arak, added this bla bla)

 

Mmhhhm.

Im waiting for you to start not being like the person in my metaphor and start doing as you just said. So far you want tanki to rehaul everything so that 20% of tanki has more fun while reducing thr enjoyment of the other 80% (figures chosen randomly)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Alphaninjagirl

While my responce IMO could have been better its still holds in it my responce.

since you are so adamant about opinion/fact, im expecting and demanding your next post to be 100% fact.

No "probably" "possibly" or any other word that implies opionion or uncertainty.

 

If you respond with another riduculous post I will write you a letter explaining the basics of understanding tankionline dynamics.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Im afraid there is plenty to go around. Id consider it flood if I did post examples

If your long ass post isnt flood why would a few examples be flood? Go on, show us.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

just simple plain ignorance... thats what this is.

Ill help tighten ur blindfold if you want.

ill let you suffer from the lack of knowledge you so adamantly fight for.

I play with 1 or 2 friends at a time. I play many times with players I dont know.

So, in short, your response is, "Oh, you're just too dumb to understand."

 

How do you know? Why don't you instead try to HELP me understand, instead of insulting me? Or (and I think this is more likely) you haven't any evidence to support your "facts" and are too afraid to admit it? C'mon, don't be shy.

 

Also I'm open for apology, if you've considered that option.

 

OK. Already thought of that... thats why i check and slowly register who drugs and who doesnt.... usually only a few dont.

Hmm. Alright, where's the charts? I want the charts. I want evidence, I'm not gonna take your word for it.

 

Im afraid there is plenty to go around. Id consider it flood if I did post examples

Two words: use spoilers.

 

I was angry at someones untastefull behavior and got angry. You have a life controlling passive emotion control problem IMO.... its how you write

Again, you have no proof of this. Stop insulting me, or I'll report you. That's a fact. ;)

 

Im pleased to announce that you dont nèed to call bullcrap "If free players are forced to pay any sum of crystals to participate in fair and balanced battles, then I'd call bullcrap"

We obviously have differing opinions on what a "fair and balanced" battle is. And while I'd go into detail about explaining what makes a battle fair and balanced, your previous statements leads me to believe that you're not interested in my point of view (despite trying to shove your point of view into my face).

 

All this is wrong. Do you want proof?

Yes, please! Prove ANYTHING that you said to me! I've been waiting for SO LONG!

 

First prove to me that what I said there is wrong and is not a fact.

Google defines "opinion" as "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

 

With the exception of the first statement (which may or may not be true, but there is no proof to either side), everything you stated is simply your judgment or view, and is not necessarily true. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that it's how you interpret those circumstances.

 

For example, your stating that I am "selfish and don't care about others" is your opinion. Other people who know me -- my brother, my mom, my boyfriend, my two best friends -- think otherwise. They find me to be a sweet and caring person. Now while I can't change your judgment about my character, it's still your judgment, and is not based on any facts (most likely it's based on me getting upset at your insults, but that's another can of worms).

 

mhhhm.

Im waiting for you to start not being like the person in my metaphor and start doing as you just said. So far you want bla bla bla bla

(I, AlphaNinjaGirl, added the "bla bla bla)

See, I can do that too! :P

 

If you respond with another riduculous post I will write you a letter explaining the basics of understanding tankionline dynamics.

First off, while my post may seem "ridiculous" to you, it also may seem perfectly fine to other people. So your judgment of my post is, again, an opinion.

 

Secondly, if you send me a letter explaining the basics of understanding Tanki Online Dynamics, I will mail you an envelope, pen, and paper, so that you can write me an apology. ;)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Hmmm.

Here comes the letter.

 

DATE OF completion : a few days.

go ahead report anything you want.

I wasnt making anything up there.

you seriously closed ur mind thinking that i asked my friends and not the general public. Thats counted as exactly what i called you.

unfortunatly im on phone and making spoilers is hard as it hardly likes to work out.

want an apology?

Here it is:

While you are crying ill confort you that it wasnt meant to hurt.... just to help your dire life situation.

there.. the only apology you will get

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

If your long ass post isnt flood why would a few examples be flood? Go on, show us.

To prove that drug battles are skill-based.... would me wining a none drug prove anything? Would me teaching skiĺl techniques for you who seem to be skill less (you say it urself)?

 

Lets start.

Skill one: timing.

Thats enough for one day, you have learned alot.

Do you know that druggers steer their tank better? Since they last longer they need to steer through enemy lines that would normally kill them.

[WeIcome.To.Hell 1,247]

I read the first line of the argument and stopped!

It's too damn long. :/

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Also .... why speed is powered up of 30% only? Answer: that is the right increase and you realized it! A 100% increase would be too much, overhelming!

I just want to point out that 30% was chosen due to difficulties regarding the anti-cheat system differentiating between hackers and supply-users. That, and also having 100% speed would be EXTREMELY hard to drive around.

I can't believe this hasn't been posted before?

[lukey0 27,543]

I just want to point out that 30% was chosen due to difficulties regarding the anti-cheat system differentiating between hackers and supply-users. That, and also having 100% speed would be EXTREMELY hard to drive around.

I can't believe this hasn't been posted before?

It has been, may times. They are just too ignorant to listen, and its their only excuse to drop the power of supplies. :LOL:

 

Latter I'll show you the amount of supplies a non-buyer has, and I've only ever bought 1 supply kit. The 100 one, on its first day of release.

 

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

To prove that drug battles are skill-based.... would me wining a none drug prove anything? Would me teaching skiĺl techniques for you who seem to be skill less (you say it urself)?

 

Lets start.

Skill one: timing.

Thats enough for one day, you have learned alot.

Do you know that druggers steer their tank better? Since they last longer they need to steer through enemy lines that would normally kill them.

Wow! Some great proof there! "druggers steer their tank better"! tbh i shouldve noticed that sooner.

 

Also, to answer your question about me being skill less, no i have never said i am a noob in a non-joking manner. ;)

In fact, i would probably rek you in a 1v1 without drugs. Sadly, my computer has deteriorated and tanki is unplayable.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

DATE OF completion : a few days.

go ahead report anything you want.

I wasnt making anything up there.

you seriously closed ur mind thinking bla bla bla

Honestly, you didn't reply to any of my post in a civil manner, so there's no reason I should be civil with you. Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, except for the fact that brick walls have an excuse to be dumb.

[viratno2 146]

Looks like this topic has risen up to gang war levels of speaking from a civilized discussion.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Looks like this topic has risen up to gang war levels of speaking from a civilized discussion.

Honestly, I'm completely okay with others having differing opinions from me. We can have separate views on something and present them in a calm, orderly fashion, and though we may not reach a conclusion, our discussion can perhaps help someone else.

 

The problem is that many players are SO vehement in defending their style of gameplay that they are incapable of presenting their view in a calm, orderly fashion, which leads to insults, pointless memes, and lots of trolls. Which is sad. :(