Reduce power of garage supplies

[Brubook 1,161]

Hmm... so if Smoky's annoying, then I should get Smoky protection...

 

But if Smokys are annoying, then shouldn't they be removed from the game? That's the same logic that is used in "supplies are annoying, therefore remove them."

 

Or, for the logical tanker, you can simply get supply protection, i.e. use them yourself.

 

 

Oh, and games make money by saying "give us your money and we'll let you have a bigger chance at winning in a virtual world that almost never usually gives you any real money, friends, jobs, education, or success...."

 

So why are you still here, aside from this being your favorite place to troll, flame, and argue?

 

That logic is all yours!

 

From a 12 yo child I could expect he doesn't read or ignore the subject of this post, but I thought a mod read before writing! You also didn't read my reply on that.

 

Soo many times we said we do not want drugs to be removed, and you still say we want that ... don't you have any real thing to say anymore?

 

... I will not comment the last sentence (comparable to the above described children phrases)

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

Lol just like everyone (including me) is butthurt over the new CP system because in all honesty it is by far the worst "game balancing" update ever.

I actually stopped playing CP when that update was released. It's really stupid.

 

Worst update EVER (other than Premium Accounts, Daily Mission rewards nerf and the Crystal boxes)!!!!!!!!!!

Don't understand how them adding Premium was one of the "worst" updates. It's a cheaper alternative than directly buying crystals; the "advantages" I suppose you could say are worth it; even if it's for a couple of hours. But I suppose you can join the group who are against those willing to spend their money; I don't really care.

[Brubook 1,161]

That's been noted by me a long time ago... it's funny how these guys screw around with people who are in clear opposition to them. Wouldn't worry too much about it though, chrysalis.

 

Roll up your tongue and face facts, Dragon (or sonofchrysalis3 will trample on it)

 

We are stating facts and numbers here, not just "go PRO" or "what are you still doning here" sentences!

 

Do you really think that a 19-1 battle is balanced? Do you really think that DA does NOT double a tank? Do you really think that most druggers are polite and fair (drugging on at 18-1 and insulting all the time)?

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

 

 

Roll up your tongue and face facts, Dragon (or sonofchrysalis3 will trample on it)

 

We are stating facts and numbers here, not just "go PRO" or "what are you still doning here" sentences!

 

Do you really think that a 19-1 battle is balanced? Do you really think that DA does NOT double a tank? Do you really think that most druggers are polite and fair (drugging on at 18-1 and insulting all the time)?

 

EDIT: Only reason I'm replying to this is because your comment is directed to me. Therefore it's fair to give you a response.

 

I don't care for your "facts and numbers" to be really honest with you, I've made that clear pages ago. Not being rude; just showing you the plateau of where I stand. Why you continue to direct yourself to me when I've evidently DISTANCED myself from you is beyond me. But do as you wish.

 

These "19-1" or "18-1" battles you speak of...I have to be serious here...I don't take part in them. Most games I actually play in; there's never a huge gap in score like that. Perhaps those are your examples of battles that YOU have witnessed. But personally, I don't see it. And if I do; I don't join because USUALLY Generalissimo battles end up like that and...it's obvious M3 can't dance with M4. So I stay in my own 'ballpark' to keep things 'even'. I won't go into much about the "insulting" part of druggers; but I've seen what that's about, and I try not to give the appearance that I'm IN that corner because it really doesn't make sense to conduct yourself in that manner.

 

I will not disagree that DA and DP do in fact double the stats of your Tank. As if it's not hard for me to kill another drugger. I have difficulty as well. So you're not entirely alone in your argument. I'm not saying I disagree with you guys 100%; but I don't agree 100% either. Yes, perhaps at some point I believed that you were bent on having the supplies removed, but after some personal time to myself; I see what you are trying to accomplish with this. If anything, the two supplies mentioned above probably do need a nerf. Instead of a 100% benefit; why not 30% like they did with the Nitro? Or even 40%? There's always been this 'What the hell?' side to the supplies; in MY mind. Not sure about you guys.

 

I'd like to say let's be cool about this issue; but there are things have been said and presented that prevent me from making some sort of 'connection' I suppose you could say. All is forgiven on my part though.

[Sr.I3oSS 2,546]

 

If you see a lot of people drugging, I'm sure that those 'a lot of people' who drug will be against it. If less people drug, then... no problem, just try to enter a battle without druggers. You're right about the drug part. It is advantageous, but to fight back, you have to drug too. It's just a reflex of mine, I do not drug unless others do or unless I'm in a BIG hurry to go off (and need to complete missions). Those who have an actual skill should be able to deal better with druggers. 

 

I would say that mine and your opinions on this matter are a whole lot changer because different ranks tend to act differently.

 

Nerfing the supplies... I would be against it, but also partially with it. Seeing how the community supports the nerfing, my opinion changes.

 

 

If you see triplets running around then you know they've taken drops. It's just simple maths, if you manage to activate even 2 of them, it won't stay for longer than 15 seconds. Unless you've taken drops. 

 

I've been through hard times against druggers as well, but I just saved the ones I had and now, you can say, I'm a drugger myself. 

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Isidas are good for fighting Smokies as well...

 

We agreed that removing them wasn't very logical so we want drugs to have a limit placed or be nerfed.

 

Why are you still a reporter if the only thing you're going to do is write rant articles?

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Ya know, we high rankers are just trying to make a change now so that when the low-rankers get up here, they won't have such a horrible experience.

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

Isidas are good for fighting Smokies as well...

 

We agreed that removing them wasn't very logical so we want drugs to have a limit placed or be nerfed.

 

Why are you still a reporter if the only thing you're going to do is write rant articles?

Wait a minute! Not just Smoky! Isida is good for fighting EVERYTHING! :lol: Turret so OP it's crazy to think it's in Tanki.

 

Ya know, we high rankers are just trying to make a change now so that when the low-rankers get up here, they won't have such a horrible experience.

Hey sure, I don't see a problem in that. Makes sense.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

By the way, Operator, when did you stop using Courier font? You've been using it as long as I've been here. I kinda miss it. :(

People didn't like me writing my guides in it, so I reworked my format. I still prefer it, but other people want me using Arial.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Ya know, we high rankers are just trying to make a change now so that when the low-rankers get up here, they won't have such a horrible experience.

Well, your efforts a certainly valiant...

But I've been stuck at Warrant Officer three-four for about a year now.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

You're probably not an intense player like some of us

I've been playing since 2013.

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

You're probably not an intense player like some of us

I've been playing since 2013.

Late 2011; early 2012 for me. And I'm just hitting Field Marshal. Well, I guess it's not too bad considering I was with the Staff back then...Mom passing away, and all the other things life has tossed at me.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

You're probably not an intense player like some of us

I've been playing since 2013.

I started a year ago, I play whenever I can with my classes and on the weekends.

[Brubook 1,161]

EDIT: Only reason I'm replying to this is because your comment is directed to me. Therefore it's fair to give you a response.

 

I don't care for your "facts and numbers" to be really honest with you, I've made that clear pages ago. Not being rude; just showing you the plateau of where I stand. Why you continue to direct yourself to me when I've evidently DISTANCED myself from you is beyond me. But do as you wish.

 

These "19-1" or "18-1" battles you speak of...I have to be serious here...I don't take part in them. Most games I actually play in; there's never a huge gap in score like that. Perhaps those are your examples of battles that YOU have witnessed. But personally, I don't see it. And if I do; I don't join because USUALLY Generalissimo battles end up like that and...it's obvious M3 can't dance with M4. So I stay in my own 'ballpark' to keep things 'even'. I won't go into much about the "insulting" part of druggers; but I've seen what that's about, and I try not to give the appearance that I'm IN that corner because it really doesn't make sense to conduct yourself in that manner.

 

I will not disagree that DA and DP do in fact double the stats of your Tank. As if it's not hard for me to kill another drugger. I have difficulty as well. So you're not entirely alone in your argument. I'm not saying I disagree with you guys 100%; but I don't agree 100% either. Yes, perhaps at some point I believed that you were bent on having the supplies removed, but after some personal time to myself; I see what you are trying to accomplish with this. If anything, the two supplies mentioned above probably do need a nerf. Instead of a 100% benefit; why not 30% like they did with the Nitro? Or even 40%? There's always been this 'What the hell?' side to the supplies; in MY mind. Not sure about you guys.

 

I'd like to say let's be cool about this issue; but there are things have been said and presented that prevent me from making some sort of 'connection' I suppose you could say. All is forgiven on my part though.

 

Dragon-Judgement ... fair reply, I fairly answer

 

I don't distance myself to anyone who is polite and say something real like you did now, even if he/she has different opinion. This is a discussion!

 

Those 19-1 (or clearly unbalanced matches) I was talking about ... sometimes you just come to be into them, and you are just a spectator of 2-3 heavy druggers that cap from say 3-1 to 19-1 in minutes (no matter which side you are in). As you said (I agree), I avoid most of these battles, but still I see them from outside.

 

The main point of that is not where me or you go, but that there are many unbalanced battles. Unbalanced battles create unsatisfaction and frustration, i.e. not the appropriate fun of playing.

 

Another thing I agree with you is that a Godmode_ON tank does not need the triplet ... with DA and DD, and after 15 secs (I think) a heal pack, he/she is OP already!

 

Finally, believe it or not, we do not want drugs to be removed. I think that they have to be reworked, or in other words, limited in power and usage. Many ideas have been described here, but I honestly do not know which one is better or more applicable to the game. My initial idea was to reduce power from +100% to say 30-40%. I know that there would also be complains, but the game would be more balanced and would rely more on skills and tactics (IMO).

 

I am happy and I make my compliments when I loose against someone more organised or more skilled than me (and I think it is not that hard!!!). I am not as happy when I loose or win for a druggers rage.

When I play I encourage also my team to avoid using or abusing drugging.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Late 2011; early 2012 for me. And I'm just hitting Field Marshal. Well, I guess it's not too bad considering I was with the Staff back then...Mom passing away, and all the other things life has tossed at me.

Damn, sorry to hear about your mother, man. I'll make sure no one hurls "your mom" insults at you. R.I.P. :(

[Brubook 1,161]

Late 2011; early 2012 for me. And I'm just hitting Field Marshal. Well, I guess it's not too bad considering I was with the Staff back then...Mom passing away, and all the other things life has tossed at me.

Dragon ... I kind of missed that part ... I am very sorry about that, and wordless. R.I.P.

[beaku 2,656]

It's been a long time. Well, as far as I can see, the debate is still running around in circles. Not really getting anywhere, are we?

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

I'm even cuter than last time, if that helps.

[RustyNail 1,538]

It's been a long time. Well, as far as I can see, the debate is still running around in circles. Not really getting anywhere, are we?

But we ARE getting somewhere... All the more people realize how unbalanced the game has become. Despite the nonsense that some drugging-lovers have said and keep mumbling from time to time.

However, you are right in one thing: not much of new data have been produced during the last 100 (or so) pages. But the analysis that was presented in the summary at page 71, is still valid and useful. And the company is still unwilling to deal with the matter.

 

We wait to see what happens in TankiX.

[BSG-62 512]

^ Hopefully, after Tanki X gets its release, they'll have time to turn their attention to this.

[RustyNail 1,538]

^ Hopefully, after Tanki X gets its release, they'll have time to turn their attention to this.

That's not what I expect. What I expect is to see if they have taken into consideration the roots, the real causes of the lopsided battles and of the inability of free players to really follow the tanki ranks till Gssimo, and removed them from TankiX.

 

Flash Tanki is going to deteriorate rapidly, due to Flash issues, and within a year of the TANKI-X release, hardly anyone will be playing flash Tanki... So, it's TankiX that matters, not flash Tanki. If they make a good TankiX without all the issues that bother free players, then it's of very low importance what they will do with flash Tanki.

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

Damn, sorry to hear about your mother, man. I'll make sure no one hurls "your mom" insults at you. R.I.P. :(

Dragon ... I kind of missed that part ... I am very sorry about that, and wordless. R.I.P.

To both of you; thanks. I appreciate the condolences.

Eh... people have tried, General. Try not to let it bother me a whole lot.

And yes Brubook, HONESTLY... I try refraining from mentioning it. I've been and still going through a lot since it happened.

 

 

Dragon-Judgement ... fair reply, I fairly answer

 

I don't distance myself to anyone who is polite and say something real like you did now, even if he/she has different opinion. This is a discussion!

 

Those 19-1 (or clearly unbalanced matches) I was talking about ... sometimes you just come to be into them, and you are just a spectator of 2-3 heavy druggers that cap from say 3-1 to 19-1 in minutes (no matter which side you are in). As you said (I agree), I avoid most of these battles, but still I see them from outside. Yep... it happens that you and I may end up in one of those battles; as a spectator or even just someone trying to play. No lie, I've been in battles where not just 2-3 guys are going all out, but the WHOLE team. Then you have me... trying to drug back and getting owned. Yeah that's not fun. Not to mention other contributions (LOL) MY team makes to put the nails in the coffin.

 

The main point of that is not where me or you go, but that there are many unbalanced battles. Unbalanced battles create unsatisfaction and frustration, i.e. not the appropriate fun of playing. Agreed, no sense in denying it at all. It happens to everyone.

 

Another thing I agree with you is that a Godmode_ON tank does not need the triplet ... with DA and DD, and after 15 secs (I think) a heal pack, he/she is OP already! Lol sometimes (well, not sometimes... A LOT of times) I get bored with using supplies. I mean I'm packing an M3 Mammoth and M3.5 Thunder... it can be overkill.

 

Finally, believe it or not, we do not want drugs to be removed. I think that they have to be reworked, or in other words, limited in power and usage. Many ideas have been described here, but I honestly do not know which one is better or more applicable to the game. My initial idea was to reduce power from +100% to say 30-40%. I know that there would also be complains, but the game would be more balanced and would rely more on skills and tactics (IMO). Of course they need to be reworked. Eh... not sure what to say about the "usage" of them, chances are TO wouldn't do that. But on power; agreed. 30-40% is rather reasonable. And yeah people will complain, but it is what it is. People cry too much sometimes. But you also have to take into consideration that it's not just supplies that need a reworking; but the Turrets need priority too! I hate to keep saying it; but Isida, please. That thing needs a serious nerf. But that's another subject.

 

I am happy and I make my compliments when I loose against someone more organised or more skilled than me (and I think it is not that hard!!!). I am not as happy when I loose or win for a druggers rage.

When I play I encourage also my team to avoid using or abusing drugging. Yes of course; if you lose against a team that's 'better' than yours, commendation is fair. Eh... I still think there's a way supplies can be used in a 'tactical' situation, rather than just obliterating the opposing team and literally leaving them helpless. (I hate being in between two opinions here so I'll leave the rest to itself)

 

[Brubook 1,161]

To both of you; thanks. I appreciate the condolences.

Eh... people have tried, General. Try not to let it bother me a whole lot.

And yes Brubook, HONESTLY... I try refraining from mentioning it. I've been and still going through a lot since it happened.

I know what you mean!

Aside from the fact itself, there are lots of annoying situation, burocracy, maybe family issues that are sometimes upsetting and often they prolong the pain.

Also one is often fighting with himself between talking for relief but get exposed and keep silence and take all the weight of it on his shoulders. I understand your refrain, as I am the second type too (keep silence).

I will not talk about this anymore in public chat, for respect. I did only because you felt free to do it.

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

 

I know what you mean!

Aside from the fact itself, there are lots of annoying situation, burocracy, maybe family issues that are sometimes upsetting and often they prolong the pain.

Also one is often fighting with himself between talking for relief but get exposed and keep silence and take all the weight of it on his shoulders. I understand your refrain, as I am the second type too (keep silence).

I will not talk about this anymore in public chat, for respect. I did only because you felt free to do it.

 

:) I appreciate the somewhat common ground we've managed to find.

[BSG-62 512]

That's not what I expect. What I expect is to see if they have taken into consideration the roots, the real causes of the lopsided battles and of the inability of free players to really follow the tanki ranks till Gssimo, and removed them from TankiX.

 

Flash Tanki is going to deteriorate rapidly, due to Flash issues, and within a year of the TANKI-X release, hardly anyone will be playing flash Tanki... So, it's TankiX that matters, not flash Tanki. If they make a good TankiX without all the issues that bother free players, then it's of very low importance what they will do with flash Tanki.

What i meant was maybe they'll do something about drugs after the release in Tanki X.