Be Vegetarian!

[deafeat1 271]

Being vege.

Eat potatoes :D

[Paratrix 68]

 

1. No, I haven't been in any slaughterhouses, my opinion is mostly based on what is said in the rules and regulations about animal welfare, on the authorities that check if the rules are being followed, the veterinarians always being present in slaughterhouses and studies written about this matter. Have you been in any slaughterhouses? 

This isn't proof that it always goes like this and if you think this is also cruel, then it's just a difference in opinon between us. 

I'd like to point out though, that dying is never without stress or pain, dying is never fun, but dying is inevitable.

Also, you think TheVeganAtheist is fairly unbiased. I've watched some of his videos and I've come to the conclusion that he finds facts that confirm his beliefs, just like pretty much everyone does, including you and me. I can also tell you that the video he made about animal cruelty is outdated to an extend (at least some parts are filmed 20 years ago). Like I said before, this shows the worst, it's made to shock people, which it does not fail to do. But in reality, it's not as black and white as the video implies. In some parts he implies something as true, like the part about dairy cows: 'they collapse and die from exhaustion', which I know from experience is not the norm, and cows being dragged like that, doesn't happen unless they're in a position that endangers themselves and/or others. Also, dehorning without anesthetics is (at least in Europe) against the rules, antibiotics are only given to dairy cows to cure them from a disease and only when it's prescribed and given by a veterinarian. Milk from cows who have been given antibiotics is strictly forbidden to be delivered to the dairy factory, same goes with meat animals by the way. There's a certain period of time (7-14 days for example) after antibiotic injection, animals or animal products cant be processed for consumption. If a farmer does deliver, he will be fined (all of this in an effort to prevent more antibiotic resistance).

We've come a long way since those images shown in that video, people have gotten much more aware of animal welfare, which I think is great. It's still far from perfect, but we're heading in the right direction. 

 

2. (:

 

3. Agreed on that, still many people think a meal should consist of vegetables, meat/fish and potatoes/rice/pasta... while there are so many other combinations you can make.

 

I also agree with you that we're not having a verbal war, it's a discussion. I'm also in no way trying to convince you to to start eating meat and I also don't think you're stupid for being a vegan, you have every right to be.

 

 

First of all, I'd like to thank you for being so polite and respectful. 

1.

From what you have said, it seems that most animals are slaughtered in a "humane" way as most call it. I now think that it comes to opinion of what is right and wrong.

Personally, I think it is wrong to kill animals for food when it's unnecessary, whether they feel pain or not.  

"I'd like to point out though, that dying is never without stress or pain" 

Of course it can be without stress or pain. Have you seen how dogs are put down? What makes them so much more special than cows, pigs and chickens etc.? 

 

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[Bydo 20,161]

if the animal is used for human consumption then it wont be done humanly 

 

and yes its wrong but the medication to put down a animal can possibly take down a human only cause they have no clue how much the vet or person injecting the animal with

 

if the animal is sick then they are humanly euthanized by a vet ( this is how it is done in Canada) this even includes cow`s chicken`s and other animals

[pizzaslad 471]

I'm sorry. I'm eating a drumstick right now as I'm reading the comments  :blink:

[CooperO 7,956]

First of all, I'd like to thank you for being so polite and respectful. 

1.

From what you have said, it seems that most animals are slaughtered in a "humane" way as most call it. I now think that it comes to opinion of what is right and wrong.

Personally, I think it is wrong to kill animals for food when it's unnecessary, whether they feel pain or not.  

"I'd like to point out though, that dying is never without stress or pain" 

Of course it can be without stress or pain. Have you seen how dogs are put down? What makes them so much more special than cows, pigs and chickens etc.? 

 

3.(:

Same goes for you.

 

Dogs being put down is mostly when they're suffering, it's to end their misery. But still, some dogs 'fight' the drug to kill them before they give in (their heart starts beating faster and they start breating faster, until the drug takes the upper hand). This also happens to sick cows and pigs for example if they cant be treated anymore. The big difference with the dog and the animals used for meat, is that the dog is being killed because he/she is sick and in pain. Meat animals are healthy, and the reason they're not being killed by a drug like that, I think is because 1. That drug could cause harm to people if they eat meat from an animal injected with that drug and 2. This drug kills the animals, it doesn't sedate them, and this might sound cruel, but the blood needs to go out of the animal. The most effective, if not only, way this happens is when the heart itself pumps it out of the body. 

[Paratrix 68]

Same goes for you.

 

Dogs being put down is mostly when they're suffering, it's to end their misery. But still, some dogs 'fight' the drug to kill them before they give in (their heart starts beating faster and they start breating faster, until the drug takes the upper hand). This also happens to sick cows and pigs for example if they cant be treated anymore. The big difference with the dog and the animals used for meat, is that the dog is being killed because he/she is sick and in pain. Meat animals are healthy, and the reason they're not being killed by a drug like that, I think is because 1. That drug could cause harm to people if they eat meat from an animal injected with that drug and 2. This drug kills the animals, it doesn't sedate them, and this might sound cruel, but the blood needs to go out of the animal. The most effective, if not only, way this happens is when the heart itself pumps it out of the body. 

Oh ok

[fighter309 384]

I am no true vegetarian (for now =P) but I am on Paratrix's side... mainly because I find her points more convincing, make sense, and appeal to intellect rather than desires or nature. 

 

Well, let's continue this intellectual debate :D

[r_vik_unbeatable0 19]

I agree because I am vegetarian and I don't like eating dead animals 

[pizzaslad 471]

What's the difference between a vegan and vegetarian?

[r_GaIaxy2 8,611]

^ lol well I guess you could say unnecessarily killing animal life for consumption when we don't even have a nutritional requirement for eating meat is a mistake too =P

Humans are the dominant species. The earth and everything in it was created for us. Other animals hunt, kill and torture animals before eating them because its the food chain. If plants are alive so why dont we all just not eat plants as well?

[Paratrix 68]

What's the difference between a vegan and vegetarian?

Vegetarians eat anything but meat. Vegans are the same as vegetarians, except they won't eat any products from animals (honey, milk, cheese etc.)

[bezdela 184]

:O never knew that

[Paratrix 68]

Humans are the dominant species. The earth and everything in it was created for us. Other animals hunt, kill and torture animals before eating them because its the food chain. If plants are alive so why dont we all just not eat plants as well?

"The earth and everything in it was created for us" 

 

The Earth was NOT created only for humans. That is clearly false. We should treat all of the animals that live on Earth with equal respect.

Just because other animals do something, doesn't mean we should aswell, we can decide what we eat and what we do and convince other humans. But we cannot do the same with other species. As we do not need to eat meat to survive, why should we put the animals through such suffering? Like I've said way too many times, the reasons people eat meat all come down to being lazy, wanting the pleasure, not caring about other species or being uneducated. 

 

" If plants are alive so why dont we all just not eat plants as well?"

 

Plants are not sentient, they do not feel pain or have any sense of emotion. They do not care if they die, simply because they can't care.

We eat plants because we must do it survive, I see nothing wrong with that. Like other species, they do what they must to survive. 

 

" Other animals hunt, kill"

 

Other animals hunt and kill because that's what they must do to survive - we do not.

[pizzaslad 471]

Vegetarians eat anything but meat. Vegans are the same as vegetarians, except they won't eat any products from animals (honey, milk, cheese etc.)

 I knew the foods you mention (apart from honey) applied for one of the two. But I keep forgetting which one :P But what's wrong with honey? Is it the vomit thing? I get dairy products but honey?

[Paratrix 68]

 I knew the foods you mention (apart from honey) applied for one of the two. But I keep forgetting which one :P But what's wrong with honey? Is it the vomit thing? I get dairy products but honey?

You can read why vegans don't eat honey here (: (Sorry, I'm too lazy to explain  :P )

[corpsecrusher2 53]

Years ago, the human species used to hunt animals to survive. No need to stop now. Food chains revolve around the idea of supply and demand; species are balanced.

Yes, humans were mean't to eat meat, are vegetarians still hungry even after they eat vegies? cuz i am always.

[Paratrix 68]

Yes, humans were mean't to eat meat, are vegetarians still hungry even after they eat vegies? cuz i am always.

-_______________- We don't just eat raw vegetables. You know normal pizza is vegetarian right? So many people have that and don't get hungry afterwards. Just because our bodies were made to eat meat, doesn't mean we must eat it to survive. :l

[corpsecrusher2 53]

-_______________- We don't just eat raw vegetables. You know normal pizza is vegetarian right? So many people have that and don't get hungry afterwards. Just because our bodies were made to eat meat, doesn't mean we must eat it to survive. :l

Oh, so you eaty pizza and you feel full? i thot you were starving your self...

[pizzaslad 471]

Hey hey hey wait a second here. What is this about eating MORE of my kind?

[r_GaIaxy2 8,611]

"The earth and everything in it was created for us" 

 

The Earth was NOT created only for humans. That is clearly false. We should treat all of the animals that live on Earth with equal respect.

Just because other animals do something, doesn't mean we should aswell, we can decide what we eat and what we do and convince other humans. But we cannot do the same with other species. As we do not need to eat meat to survive, why should we put the animals through such suffering? Like I've said way too many times, the reasons people eat meat all come down to being lazy, wanting the pleasure, not caring about other species or being uneducated. 

 

" If plants are alive so why dont we all just not eat plants as well?"

 

Plants are not sentient, they do not feel pain or have any sense of emotion. They do not care if they die, simply because they can't care.

We eat plants because we must do it survive, I see nothing wrong with that. Like other species, they do what they must to survive. 

 

" Other animals hunt, kill"

 

Other animals hunt and kill because that's what they must do to survive - we do not.

We do need to survive, and have you heard of a food chain? Break that and hell breaks loose?

[pizzaslad 471]

You can read why vegans don't eat honey here (: (Sorry, I'm too lazy to explain  :P )

After reading that article (only read 60% of it TBH), my forehead hurts because of some facepalms. Maybe people should not walk on fields because we might kill worms and destroy grass. And stop breathing because we are warming the planet and taking in oxygen that other animals might need (I know a little extreme but how I feel now)

[Paratrix 68]

We do need to survive, and have you heard of a food chain? Break that and hell breaks loose?

Hahah, I see the confusion. I said that we do not need to eat meat to survive - not that we don't need to survive.

 

Yes I have heard of a food chain, but almost all of the animals that we eat are bred for the sole purpose of human consumption. So it would make an extremely small difference to the ecosystem. So no...all hell would Not break loose. 

[Paratrix 68]

After reading that article (only read 60% of it TBH), my forehead hurts because of some facepalms. Maybe people should not walk on fields because we might kill worms and destroy grass. And stop breathing because we are warming the planet and taking in oxygen that other animals might need (I know a little extreme but how I feel now)

I just think it's wrong to use animals as such and I don't see that we have the right. (:

[r_GaIaxy2 8,611]

I just think it's wrong to use animals as such and I don't see that we have the right. (:

The way they treat some of them is wrong (factory farms) but if they are treated nicely then im not too fussed

 

I would only buy factory free meat though

[ArgentHellion 41]

We do need to survive, and have you heard of a food chain? Break that and hell breaks loose?

 

Oh you wouldn't believe how many people claim to be strict vegetarians, but

when starvation hits hard, all of a sudden everything is justified... and when

the desperation phase is all over, it is almost as if it never happened... yap....

 

Personally I had way too many bad experiences with extreme vegetarians

(a.k.a vegans, right?) who failed to understand that everybody has the right

to choose what they want to eat, how they want to eat it, and when they

want to eat it. I respect your life choices, you should also respect mine,

otherwise things will be messy... really messy... like the last time during

my first days of college, when somebody out of nowhere decided to slap

my 2 Euro's worth of mega chicken sandwich out of my hands because

she was a vegan sitting next to me, then when I asked why she did it,

she decided to smack me just like parents smack their juvenile brats,

and she ended up with a bloody nose...  Yea, we all have a dark side

and mine was quite strong back in the day, fortunately I think I got it

under control most of the time now... Hense the "Hellion" part of the

username...

 

I will stick to my wide pallet of flavors, you stick to your veggies if

that's what you want to, and as long as you don't attempt to confiscate

my fork and my kitchen knife, we can co-exist in the same universe...