What to buy? Which is better?

[Bluebird13 95]

There's also the fortress kit at 166k crystal but it has an M2 version instead. -With Rustle instead of Emerald.

Yeah, I was just looking at the product kit lists. I don't think that I will buy that one, because I have received both positive and negative feedback about Thunder. I'll probably just wait until Christmas, then buy it, or other things, at 50% off (hopefully). Plus, it still costs 180 504 crystals, not 166k, so I may as well just get the m3 if I get a kit.

[Bluebird13 95]

I will have 200k by Christmas sale. I don't have a protect paints against hammer and smoky but I have a lot of m3's. Should I get rico m3, nano paint or mu smoky and thunder m3?

I am not at your rank, so my opinion may not be best. Looking at your profile, you have plenty of turrets. Twins, Railgun, Smoky and Thunder alone should cover you. With paints, if you want Hammer/Smoky protection then I think that Tiger is good;

Railgun —15%

Smoky —30%

Hammer —40%

 

Otherwise, Nano seems good, but you need to rank to get it. Other options are Raccoon and Needle (Raccoon 30% against Hammer, and Needle 48% against Smoky), although they have one of the specified protections only, plus others.

 

I hope this helps,

 

Bluebird13.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Bluebird13

[Bluebird13 95]

Just doing some rough calculations. I am pretty sure that this is damage per second:

 

80/3 sec = 26.7                                   Thunder m2 (max damage)

134/6.5 sec = 20.6                              Railgun m2 (max damage)

15/0.25 sec = 60                                 Twins m2 (max damage)

42.2/1.6 sec = 26.4                             Smoky m2 (max damage)

26/0.55 sec = 47.3                              Ricochet m2 (max damage)

 

52/3 sec = 17.3                                   Thunder m2 (min damage)

87.5/6.5 sec = 13.5                             Railgun m2 (min damage)

12.5/0.25 sec = 50                              Twins m2 (min damage)

33.3/1.6 sec = 20.8                             Smoky m2 (min damage)

21.5/0.55 sec = 39.1                           Ricochet m2 (min damage)

 

230.13/9.2 secs = 25                          Hammer m2 (damage)                                                                        (Number)= DPS

                                            

 

 

These are just a few turrets; one of them I may buy during the sales. As I am thinking of buying Thunder, now I have evidence that its DPS is higher than Smoky (at max damage for both turrets), Railgun and Hammer. On the other hand, this is probably irrelevant, as a high damage gun can cause a lot of damage with one shot before dying, compared to the cumulative damage turrets (Firebird, etc.), which may affect the attacker a little bit before dying instead of a lot. Everything depends on the situation.

 

 

I thought this may be interesting, and it does show how great Twins is.

 

PS:

I forgot about the critical hit chance for Smoky. Lets just pretend that every time, the Smoky dies before it can use a critical hit.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Bluebird13

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Just doing some rough calculations. I am pretty sure that this is damage per second:

 

80/3 sec = 26.7                                   Thunder m2 (max damage)

134/6.5 sec = 20.6                              Railgun m2 (max damage)

15/0.25 sec = 60                                 Twins m2 (max damage)

42.2/1.6 sec = 26.4                             Smoky m2 (max damage)

26/0.55 sec = 47.3                              Ricochet m2 (max damage)

 

52/3 sec = 17.3                                   Thunder m2 (min damage)

87.5/6.5 sec = 13.5                             Railgun m2 (min damage)

12.5/0.25 sec = 50                              Twins m2 (min damage)

33.3/1.6 sec = 20.8                             Smoky m2 (min damage)

21.5/0.55 sec = 39.1                           Ricochet m2 (min damage)

 

230.13/9.2 secs = 25                          Hammer m2 (damage)                                                                        (Number)= DPS

                                            

 

 

These are just a few turrets; one of them I may buy during the sales. As I am thinking of buying Thunder, now I have evidence that its DPS is higher than Smoky (at max damage for both turrets), Railgun and Hammer. On the other hand, this is probably irrelevant, as a high damage gun can cause a lot of damage with one shot before dying, compared to the cumulative damage turrets (Firebird, etc.), which may affect the attacker a little bit before dying instead of a lot. Everything depends on the situation.

 

 

I thought this may be interesting, and it does show how great Twins is.

 

PS:

I forgot about the critical hit chance for Smoky. Lets just pretend that every time, the Smoky dies before it can use a critical hit.

Adding the crit chance in will boost it about 10 dps over thunder but it unlocks at colonel, while on the other hand thunder is already available.

[Bluebird13 95]

On the subject of hulls, I have received advice that I should just stay with Hornet m2 only, that I should buy m2 Hunter and that I should buy m2 Dictator.

 

Pros/Cons:

 

 

Buying/not buying:

• If I buy, then I will have a medium hull to go with Thunder/ranged weapon and Firebird until I buy an m3 hull (long way away).
• If I don't, then I save about 40k-50k (assuming that there is going to be a 50% sale at Christmas).

 

Hunter vs Dictator:

• Dictator has 230 health, 30hp more than Hunter.
• Hunter is faster than dictator; a speed of 8.8 compared to 7.25.
• Hunter doesn't have much pushing power, but I think Dictator does (not 100% on that).
• Dictator always seems to get the gold box; something I almost never get. However, Hunter catches them too (as has Hornet, Titan and everything else).
• Dictator costs near 82k, meanwhile Hunter costs over 94k. I don't think the price matters as much as performance. 

 

I reckon that Hunter is a better choice than Dictator; it is heaps faster and only compromises with 30hp. However, I would still like everyone's opinions on what I should do.

 

Thank you to all who have answered me so far, I appreciate it.

 

Bluebird13.

 

 

I think I may deserve to be banned by flooding. Hah. Maybe that is why I have suddenly started using spoilers...  ;)

 

Edited November 16, 2015 by Bluebird13

[Bluebird13 95]

Adding the crit chance in will boost it about 10 dps over thunder but it unlocks at colonel, while on the other hand thunder is already available.

Yeah; I can buy Thunder during the Christmas sales, while I won't have ranked enough for Smoky.

[r_Your-Daddy3 605]

On the subject of hulls, I have received advice that I should just stay with Hornet m2 only, that I should buy m2 Hunter and that I should buy m2 Dictator.

 

Pros/Cons:

 

 

Buying/not buying:

• If I buy, then I will have a medium hull to go with Thunder/ranged weapon and Firebird until I buy an m3 hull (long way away).
• If I don't, then I save about 40k-50k (assuming that there is going to be a 50% sale at Christmas).

 

Hunter vs Dictator:

• Dictator has 230 health, 30hp more than Hunter.
• Hunter is faster than dictator; a speed of 8.8 compared to 7.25.
• Hunter doesn't have much pushing power, but I think Dictator does (not 100% on that).
• Dictator always seems to get the gold box; something I almost never get. However, Hunter catches them too (as has Hornet, Titan and everything else).
• Dictator costs near 82k, meanwhile Hunter costs over 94k. I don't think the price matters as much as performance. 

 

I reckon that Hunter is a better choice than Dictator; it is heaps faster and only compromises with 30hp. However, I would still like everyone's opinions on what I should do.

 

Thank you to all who have answered me so far, I appreciate it.

 

Bluebird13.

 

 

I think I may deserve to be banned by flooding. Hah. Maybe that is why I have suddenly started using spoilers...   ;)

 

Its depends on the maps ,you play often.If you are planning for XP then go for hornet.Hunter and dictator are both good.Dictator is fine for smaller or medium maps and also good for gold hunting.Hunter is fine for medium and big maps...

[Bluebird13 95]

Its depends on the maps ,you play often.If you are planning for XP then go for hornet.Hunter and dictator are both good.Dictator is fine for smaller or medium maps and also good for gold hunting.Hunter is fine for medium and big maps...

I already have m2 Hornet, along with 106k (soon to me more, plus the rank-up 12k). I think that Hunter will be the best choice if I was to buy another hull (only 30hp difference). Whether I do that all depends on whether I have enough crystals, I think. Thunder m2 costs 55k, so I will have over 50k left, plus the stuff I haven't earned yet. I should be able to buy a hull. Now I seem to have another question- should I buy any paints at my rank? I have Jaguar, In Love (only because of the 70% sale) and the single protection paints. I believe I should wait until I rank a few more times, as nothing is great at my rank.

 

Thanks for responding :).

Edited November 16, 2015 by Bluebird13

[Typo 1,299]

I think if you use Thunder a Thunder paint really helps at close range. The best to buy now is Cedar which has 32% Thunder.

 

 

I still use it all the time  :ph34r: Just telling how good it can be.

 

 

[Bluebird13 95]

I think if you use Thunder a Thunder paint really helps at close range. The best to buy now is Cedar which has 32% Thunder.

 

 

I still use it all the time  :ph34r: Just telling how good it can be.

 

 

Okay, thanks. I completely forgot that paints can help with the self-damage. Thanks, again!

 

Edit:

I think If I earn a decent amount on top of what I have, then I could buy Cedar (Cedar costs 42k without a sale), Hunter and Thunder during Christmas. I'll see what other people think, etc.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Bluebird13

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

True, it does unlock early. However, the Thunder m2's damage is still pretty good. I do not want m2 Railgun, because the stock version cannot "one-shot-kill" a slightly MU'd m1 Hornet, let alone an m2 Hornet. I do not want to spend time micro-upgrading, plus, with the new system, it would be much more expensive to do so. One other point against railgun is that everyone seems to have it, so I simply don't want it because of that.

Smokey is good, but I don't have the time to rank up three more times before Christmas time. I cannot afford it without a sale. If I do not buy Thunder, then what can I get? Nothing else is close to my rank, except for Railgun, Hammer, and Ricochet.

 

Can people tell me if m2 Thunder still does well in the ranks before m3 turrets? I am pretty sure it does, but the confirmation would be good. 

It won't hold it's own, even m3 thunder finds it hard against m3 hulls and emerald users (which are flooding the place) so forget that m2 will be terribly eeffective. IF you want a quick, temporary buy then thunder m2, but if you are willing t do it, get rail and rico m2, and also hunter. Your choice

[The_blacklisted 22]

Does ricochet protection (spark) protect against ricochet self damage?

Those hornet spinning around me cause problems a lot ^^

[QueenSeraphina 407]

Yeah, I was just looking at the product kit lists. I don't think that I will buy that one, because I have received both positive and negative feedback about Thunder. I'll probably just wait until Christmas, then buy it, or other things, at 50% off (hopefully). Plus, it still costs 180 504 crystals, not 166k, so I may as well just get the m3 if I get a kit.

180 504 crystals?

 

According to the product kit page it's 166k.

 

I would also recommend Vulcan M2, but I don't think you'd have the right hull for it...

 

Edited November 16, 2015 by QueenSeraphina

[Roadrunner15 47]

Does ricochet protection (spark) protect against ricochet self damage?

Those hornet spinning around me cause problems a lot ^^

Yes they do. Just like Thunder protection paints protect against self splash-damage, so do Ricochet protection paints protect against self ricochet-damage.

[Quarks 2,255]

M2 thunder or Rustle or Blacksmith. I already have M2 XP and fracture. I need better range paint, but I also want m2 thunder. I can not decide. In a perfect, I could buy 2 of these, but that would involve over 100k, and I only have 36k ish.

[Eye_Ball 2]

I am not at your rank, so my opinion may not be best. Looking at your profile, you have plenty of turrets. Twins, Railgun, Smokey and Thunder alone should cover you. With paints, if you want Hammer/Smokey protection then I think that Tiger is good;

Railgun —15%

Smoky —30%

Hammer —40%

 

Otherwise, Nano seems good, but you need to rank to get it. Other options are Raccoon and Needle (Raccoon 30% against Hammer, and Needle 48% against Smokey), although they have one of the specified protections only, plus others.

 

I hope this helps,

 

Bluebird13.

Ok thanks

[The_blacklisted 22]

Yes they do. Just like Thunder protection paints protect against self splash-damage, so do Ricochet protection paints protect against self ricochet-damage.

Thanks

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

For the Holidays this year (assuming 40%) I'm getting Isida and Viking for sure, which will leave me with 100K. Now my question is this:

 

Option 1: Spend the 100K on upgrading Isida and Viking

 

Option 2: Buy Inferno (Currently I only have Emerald + Prodigi as my M3 paints)

 

My only M3 atm is Thunder. I play Poly CP mainly and occasionally CTF on medium sized maps (e.g. Noise)

[Quarks 2,255]

buy m3 hornet, you should have enough.^

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

buy m3 hornet, you should have enough.^

I don't want M3 Hornet though. I don't really play large maps

[Roadrunner15 47]

For the Holidays this year (assuming 40%) I'm getting Isida and Viking for sure, which will leave me with 100K. Now my question is this:

 

Option 1: Spend the 100K on upgrading Isida and Viking

 

Option 2: Buy Inferno (Currently I only have Emerald + Prodigi as my M3 paints)

 

My only M3 atm is Thunder. I play Poly CP mainly and occasionally CTF on medium sized maps (e.g. Noise)

I would save up for Smoky M3. Super OP, works well in both Polygon and Noise. You would just have to wait until another sale once you get to the required rank. 

 

Instead of buying Isida and Viking separately, you could buy the Medic kit (Isida/Viking/Cherry). Then you would not have to wait for a sale :)

Edited November 16, 2015 by Roadrunner15

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

I would save up for Smoky M3. Super OP, works well in both Polygon and Noise. You would just have to wait until another sale once you get to the required rank. 

 

Instead of buying Isida and Viking separately, you could buy the Medic kit (Isida/Viking/Cherry). Then you would not have to wait for a sale :)

Yes I heard that Smoky M3 is OP but I do not really like Smoky. I would rather take Twins at Marshal but I'll see. For the Medic Kit, idk, cause I already have Emerald which protects against Thunder and Twins already 

[SunnyQueen 609]

Im not sure what to do...

 

I have got isida m3 ( its like m3,5  :lol: --> 29/50 MU'ed ), mammy m2 and roger.

 

On sales Im going to buy titan m3, wont buy any paint, because i plan to buy 2, but need generalismo rank.

 

So... I think about buying 1 turret m3, which one? 

 

Vulcan/Smoky or ... ? Mainly for Polygon/Island/Hill/Noise. 

[Quarks 2,255]

smoky

[NewbieCake 3,067]

Im not sure what to do...

 

I have got isida m3 ( its like m3,5  :lol: --> 29/50 MU'ed ), mammy m2 and roger.

 

On sales Im going to buy titan m3, wont buy any paint, because i plan to buy 2, but need generalismo rank.

 

So... I think about buying 1 turret m3, which one? 

 

Vulcan/Smoky or ... ? Mainly for Polygon/Island/Hill/Noise. 

Your lack of Fire protection paints make me think Smoky will be the better choice.