Spy VS stas - an objective look

[joostcool 5,942]

Hey guys,

 

I am noticing a bit of commotion around the Masters of Swords Solo match between Spy and stas. Stas has made use of ClientPlus and therefore, people say that Spy should advance to the finals. Good example of that is this video (Skip to 2:27!) 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAdckXiYbG4&feature=youtu.be

 

 

That's why I decided to give an objective view on this matter, to make your view on this case broader than just videos or one-sided stories. 

 

A fact is that stas has made use of ClientPlus. People (such as the one in the vid) looked up statements from ex-forummods who say that it can get you blocked. So they want Spy to advance to the finals now. This is however wrong. People are reasoning from the question "Is ClientPlus allowed?". In reality, there are 2 questions:

 

1. Is ClientPlus allowed?

2. Does ClientPlus give you an unfair advantage during gameplay? (Hacks etc.)

 

The first question is totally irrelevant for the eSports Team. Whether a client is allowed or not is the job of the Battle Mods to figure out. They'll then block people on their discretion. 

 

The second question is very important. If stas is able to gain an advantage through ClientPlus, he should lose the match and maybe even be disqualified from the tournament. 

 

So, how can Spy still win? By proving that ClientPlus can give an unfair advantage during gameplay. Not by proving that ClientPlus is forbidden by tanki to be used. There is no other way, because if stas did not make use of advantages, it cannot be qualified as an unfair match. Both players played based on pure skill then and that's exactly what we want in eSports. 

 

Even if tanki says that ClientPlus is forbidden to use, the best that can happen is that stas gets blocked, but Spy would still not be able to advance to the Finals; he lost in a fair way. 

 

Last basic points:

- An autoclicker is not an unfair advantage during battles

- This is how I would rule in Domination Series for example. The Russian eSports Team can rule differently

- I based this on facts and logic, not on a bias. In fact, since Spy is fighting for EN, I'd love to see him in Finals, but only in a fair way obviously. 

- Spy did not say that stas has been hacking. He was just figuring out what the consequences of the use of ClientPlus are. 

 

Joost

[Lewis.Hamilton 1,110]

Go Spy Go!

[SprayGround 2,851]

Well, if ClientPlus is allowed, then FlashEX should be allowed too  :rolleyes:

FlashEX is different from ClientPlus. In ClientPlus you cant change textures like in FlashEX which is against rules thats why people get block. ClientPlus is like Tanko.

[Spy 14,687]

FlashEX is different from ClientPlus. In ClientPlus you cant change textures like in FlashEX which is against rules thats why people get block. ClientPlus is like Tanko.

No , in ClientPlus you have hacks.

[SprayGround 2,851]

No , in ClientPlus you have hacks.

No, there is no hacks in ClientPlus itself, only what is possible that he used some additional program which runs with ClientPlus to hack. But ClientPlus have no hacks inside, It has all things which Tanko has.

Edited May 8, 2017 by wow

[kmpa 830]

So, how can Spy still win? By proving that ClientPlus can give an unfair advantage during gameplay. 

 

if stas did not make use of advantages, it cannot be qualified as an unfair match.

I smell a contradiction here 

[Spy 14,687]

No, there is no hacks in ClientPlus itself, only what is possible that he used some additional program which runs with ClientPlus to hack. But ClientPlus have no hacks inside, It has all things which Tanko has.

It has all the things which tanko has + hacks :)

[joostcool 5,942]

I smell a contradiction here

 

Hmm, care to elaborate? Because it really isn't. Both are saying: If unfair match (cuz clientplus has hacks) = win for Spy

[Guest]

Usage of clients or any third party software is strictly not allowed. So any how, the battle mods will give him a punishment/ban or something. Tho that block might occur (if occurred) before the finals, i.e it can also make him not to play finals. So, rather that penalty, why not co operate with battle moderators, plead for a rematch as stas's penalty. Both the players should use the allowed services, i.e official tanki client or browsers. This rematch will decide who were right and who were wrong.

 

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Just to be clear, yeah am being one sided for now, but a rematch won't bother stas right? If he didn't used any advantages, he might agree. Not to flame tho.

 

Good luck. 

[Guest]

FlashEX is different from ClientPlus. In ClientPlus you cant change textures like in FlashEX which is against rules thats why people get block. ClientPlus is like Tanko.

The official client can be used to change textures.. 

[SprayGround 2,851]

The official client can be used to change textures.. 

I know, but they used FlashEX to change textures before official client came out.

[kmpa 830]

Hmm, care to elaborate? Because it really isn't. Both are saying: If unfair match (cuz clientplus has hacks) = win for Spy

The contradiction comes from the assertion that the client might have the ability to give an unfair advantage through various features, but those features were not used by stas (1). Why?

 

From your first sentence you write: if the client has these features then the win must be given to spy.

 

From your second sentence you write: if stas hasn't used these features then the win must not be given to spy. 

 

So according to what you wrote, if (1) is true, then the win must be given AND not given to spy.

[joostcool 5,942]

Oh I didn't mean that. I meant 'if stas didn't use those features' in a general way, so 'if there are no features of hacking in ClientPlus, stas should keep the win'.

 

Having software running that is doing hacks is enough proof. So let's put it like this:

 

Client has hacks -> Stas DQ, Spy win

Client has no hacks -> Stas won based on skill, so wins.

 

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Guest]

^That works tho, I smell auto aim..

[Lankbouv 6,347]

May I remind you all of the esports checker which was used, which sends not only screenshots of the player's screen to the judges, but also a list of system processes.  if ClientPlus has any built in hacks then Stas should lose, if Stas used the client to facilitate hacks then then the Judges would have known about it.

[MiZ0o0 1,863]

if u can proof that he used hack then go send it to the RU esports team if not then there is no point if saying that he used hack just because he use clientplus yes it might be an unofficial program to run the game like the game client but its the same as tanko , and don't forget about the esports checker if they didn't find any proof that he used hack in the screens the program took then no matter what program he played with ( tanko - clientplus - game client - any browser ) . Gg  :)

Edited May 8, 2017 by MiZ0o0

[QueenCay 1,421]

Better luck next time.

[Guest]

Better luck next time.

Yep, we all can say that. Better luck next time Spy.

[Spy 14,687]

After the match I talked to the RU eSports moderators about the "ClientPlus" , I checked if this client is allowed but I found out it isn't allowed to be used , I showed the RU moderators the proofs and 1 of them told me to send an email to tanki support (to ask them if this client is allowed or not) , and that's what I did , They told me that "ClientPlus" isn't allowed , I sent the RU mod a screenshot of the message I got and he said that they are wrong :/ , that's everything , if you want to see the proofs it will be below in the spoiler , however it was a nice match..

 

 

 

 

Some topics I've found against using ClientPlus:

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=180008

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=180334

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?%20showtopic=222057&p=3938264

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=197900

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?%20showtopic=177440&p=3060331

 

 

 

[Jin 3]

The first question is totally irrelevant for the eSports Team. Whether a client is allowed or not is the job of the Battle Mods to figure out. They'll then block people on their discretion 

 

So battle mods can chose who to ban when using the client? (chose specific people.) If they blocked certain people for using the client, then why not blocked everyone who use it .Don't know if they actually were using advantages? they why blocking people? Clientplus don't have any advantages or hacks. Then why is the job of the battle mods to figure it out if is allowed? If the ex-forummods say that clientplus was forbidden at one point. Then why is not now 100%.

 

They'll then block people on their discretion  They will blocked people on their discretion. So if people are getting blocked, then it has to be with something of gaining advantages of the client. Block people on their discretion. If clientplus does have advantages then why is not 100% not allowed?  IF does not have advantages they why blocked people? Not using the advantages (if have) , then why use clientplus what is the the difference form the official client or browser if people are getting blocked?

[Guest Maserati]

 

 

 

Some topics I've found against using ClientPlus:

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=180008

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=180334

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?%20showtopic=222057&p=3938264

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=197900

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?%20showtopic=177440&p=3060331

 

 

 

One think I'd like to point out, is that the proof you provide is obsolete (you could also say it is unclear). You should look at the information regarding 3rd-party clients.

[Spy 14,687]

One think I'd like to point out, is that the proof you provide is obsolete (you could also say it is unclear). You should look at the information regarding 3rd-party clients.

I asked tanki support yesterday if it's allowed to use ClientPlus , they answered today and said it's not allowed.

[SprayGround 2,851]

Stas won because he had better drop control, not cuz he used hacks. It just wasn't Spy's day.

[joostcool 5,942]

The first question is totally irrelevant for the eSports Team. Whether a client is allowed or not is the job of the Battle Mods to figure out. They'll then block people on their discretion 

 

So battle mods can chose who to ban when using the client? (chose specific people.) If they blocked certain people for using the client, then why not blocked everyone who use it .Don't know if they actually were using advantages? they why blocking people? Clientplus don't have any advantages or hacks. Then why is the job of the battle mods to figure it out if is allowed? If the ex-forummods say that clientplus was forbidden at one point. Then why is not now 100%.

 

They'll then block people on their discretion  They will blocked people on their discretion. So if people are getting blocked, then it has to be with something of gaining advantages of the client. Block people on their discretion. If clientplus does have advantages then why is not 100% not allowed?  IF does not have advantages they why blocked people? Not using the advantages (if have) , then why use clientplus what is the the difference form the official client or browser if people are getting blocked?

I like that part, because you are implying that I said that, and that is not what I said at all. 

 

That was 3 years ago and rules can change. On top of that, forummods cannot judge on that as good as battle mods, they can quote the "No-3rd-party-software" and that's what they did.

 

I don't even know what to reply to that, it is so off-topic and those are theories that I really cannot be bothered with. This topic is created for the match and not to facilitate a discussion on 3rd party software. You should discuss the battle mod procedures with the battle mods admin. 

[HAPPSHOT 2,029]

Stas won based on skill, so wins.

 

 

 

Really You call camping and shooting skill? He lagged as well, which caused problem in spy's aim. The funny thing is that the lag mostly happened when spy was at an advantage