The removal of gifts issue

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

They never force anyone to buy gifts. It's one's own choice to waste crystals on gifts, and having sales on them has no relevancy to this issue.

Ahhh! The old, 'The never force anyone to', strawman. You know you've lost the argument when you resort to it don't you.  Contempt, plain and simple. You might as well spit in our faces to use a Semyon Kirov quote.  Nobody is arguing about being forced to buy anything. Btw, you spelt spend wrong. 

 

Sales on them is relevant. Not only were gifts available to buy, we're encouraged to buy them in the vlogs and when they're on sale.

 

And if this is your argument then why not extend it to paints too because there is absolutely no difference between the importance of gifts and the importance of paints.

 

No wonder everyone is leaving.

[SwiftSmoky 8,445]

Simple solution: keep all the gifts but don't load more than the first 10/20 unless the player scrolls further, then the server doesn't have to loop through all the gifts in the database every time you open your garage.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

          I had +600 Teddy Bears and + 1000 badges at my profile page and thousands gifts that were erased from my profile. This is a huge rip off, billion of crystals and real money that players spent to send to me all these 2 years.

          Alternativa Games replied to me that they believe they can find a solution. Until then, I have stopped all purchases on all my accounts, including my Charity and including Players Rewards and anything else I used to buy for friends, etc.

          Tanki is not only pushing away the non buyers, or the low buyers, but is pushing away the heavy buyers now, such as myself.

          Tanki is losing money now only from me with a speed of 400 to 700 Euro EVERY month!

          I understand CooperO's reply, but is not helping (values nothing), not even making a good excuse for the HUGE rip off that tanki just did to me. 

          I will be patiently waiting for apologies from Alternativa Games in their attempt to recover one of the biggest customers (me). 

what about that BP tournament you were gonna organize to encourage fairplay?

 

I hope you'll still do it.. just don't give rewards. cause i'd still be interested even if there won't be any rewards

[CooperO 7,956]

          I had +600 Teddy Bears and + 1000 badges at my profile page and thousands gifts that were erased from my profile. This is a huge rip off, billion of crystals and real money that players spent to send to me all these 2 years.

          Alternativa Games replied to me that they believe they can find a solution. Until then, I have stopped all purchases on all my accounts, including my Charity and including Players Rewards and anything else I used to buy for friends, etc.

          Tanki is not only pushing away the non buyers, or the low buyers, but is pushing away the heavy buyers now, such as myself.

          Tanki is losing money now only from me with a speed of 400 to 700 Euro EVERY month!

          I understand CooperO's reply, but is not helping (values nothing), not even making a good excuse for the HUGE rip off that tanki just did to me. 

          I will be patiently waiting for apologies from Alternativa Games in their attempt to recover one of the biggest customers (me). 

Let's be clear on one thing: I'm not making excuses. I'm telling you that from the very beginning (when gifts were first introduced to the game), it was not possible to store more than 100 gifts in your garage. So as soon as you received more than 100 gifts, the oldest ones got removed automatically. That means already long before last week, you didn't have those gifts in your garage anymore. They were merely a number in your profile. You can be upset about a simple number, but it would make far more sense if you had been upset that you lost the actual gift with the attached message. Did you boycott TO back when you started losing your actual gifts?

 

They'll have backups for a time. Can they be bothered to retrieve and restore the more expensive gifts that players have purchased or have been given. Can they be bothered to re-write the removal program.

 

I don't know if they will, but I think you're bringing up a good point. It should definitely be possible to implement a proper system for gift storage. Preferably something where gifts won't have to be removed in the first place.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Let's be clear on one thing: I'm not making excuses. I'm telling you that from the very beginning (when gifts were first introduced to the game), it was not possible to store more than 100 gifts in your garage. So as soon as you received more than 100 gifts, the oldest ones got removed automatically. That means already long before last week, you didn't have those gifts in your garage anymore. They were merely a number in your profile. You can be upset about a simple number, but it would make far more sense if you had been upset that you lost the actual gift with the attached message. Did you boycott TO back when you started losing your actual gifts?

 

I don't know if they will, but I think you're bringing up a good point. It should definitely be possible to implement a proper system for gift storage. Preferably something where gifts won't have to be removed in the first place.

 

          Let's be clear on the only one valid thing here: TO has just did a huge rip off by erasing millions gifts from players profiles = rip off players crystals / money. This is lack of respect towards its customers. We, players, deserve and wait for apologies, and attempt to restore the situation, not perestroika and hiding posts on forum. Thanks!

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

CooperO, many times we buy gifts just so they can appear in recipients profiles. You can say that's nothing, gifts are stupid, or whatever language to minimize the issue, but that's our thing.

 

Nives says that they were removed, but you say they were always being removed, either way there was no need for gifts to be removed from players profiles.

 

And we are not complaining to you the mods.

Edited June 21, 2018 by r_Issimo2

[CooperO 7,956]

Nives says that they were removed, but you say they were always being removed, either way there was no need for gifts to be removed from players profiles.

There is a difference between the actual gift (in the garage) and the statistics of those gifts (in your profile). The former could always hold 100 max, the latter showed more. I agree with the last part though, as I said in my previous post, there should have been a better way to solve the performance issue. 

Let's be clear on the only one valid thing here: TO has just did a huge rip off by erasing millions gifts from players profiles = rip off players crystals / money. This is lack of respect towards its customers. We, players, deserve and wait for apologies, and attempt to restore the situation, not perestroika and hiding posts on forum. Thanks!

If you want to call it a rip-off, that would be the part where the actual gifts were removed and not the statistics of those gifts. As for hiding posts, only off topic and provocative posts were hidden, as they are against the rules. And for what it's worth, we have forwarded the feedback about this and continue to do so, including any suggestions for an improved system.

[Hex 11,520]

True, you could do that too. Consider tho, that the chat has got no persistence and it was believed up to the change in the profiles that the gifts are staying in the garage. I doubt that a bigger number of players knew that it is only possible to collect 100 gifts in it, since there was no official information available, that was stating this. A lot of emotions are connected with gifts and if they are simply deleted, it is perceived as a rude move.

Gifts seemed to work as an in-game PM, but it is rather a channel to send nice words with pictures to a fellow tanker and one can emphasize the value of the message by buying expensive gifts. Another aspect is that communication can be with words, but it doesn't need to be.

 

The thing I wanted to point out is just that developers mustn't think or justify the change in that way, that it was stupid from the beginning to buy these items. Because it would then be a statement from their side that there are no securities when you do investments in Tanki.

I hope that the profile update will get them back on the page, but I doubt so.

I agree, also with Cooper's post above. There should've been such a way to store player's gifts from the start so that they wouldn't have to lose them in the future.

[Hex 11,520]

Ahhh! The old, 'The never force anyone to', strawman. You know you've lost the argument when you resort to it don't you.  Contempt, plain and simple. You might as well spit in our faces to use a Semyon Kirov quote.  Nobody is arguing about being forced to buy anything. Btw, you spelt spend wrong. 

 

Sales on them is relevant. Not only were gifts available to buy, we're encouraged to buy them in the vlogs and when they're on sale.

 

And if this is your argument then why not extend it to paints too because there is absolutely no difference between the importance of gifts and the importance of paints.

 

No wonder everyone is leaving.

Hey, let's have a civilized discussion, there's no need to get angry  :)

 

All I was saying is that there was never a system where you had to buy gifts to do something, perhaps my wording was not clear, sorry!

[F.I.N.I.S.H.E.R 2,397]

There is a difference between the actual gift (in the garage) and the statistics of those gifts (in your profile). The former could always hold 100 max, the latter showed more. I agree with the last part though, as I said in my previous post, there should have been a better way to solve the performance issue.  If you want to call it a rip-off, that would be the part where the actual gifts were removed and not the statistics of those gifts. As for hiding posts, only off topic and provocative posts were hidden, as they are against the rules. And for what it's worth, we have forwarded the feedback about this and continue to do so, including any suggestions for an improved system.

The feedback thing is a great initiative.

[CooperO 7,956]

The feedback thing is a great initiative.

I agree, without feedback, it's a lot harder to improve anything and especially improve the right things. It's one of the main purposes of both the News and Announcements section and the Ideas and Suggestions section.

I agree, also with Cooper's post above. There should've been such a way to store player's gifts from the start so that they wouldn't have to lose them in the future.

Indeed, sadly there wasn't and we ended up with a 100 gift limit.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

I agree, without feedback, it's a lot harder to improve anything and especially improve the right things. It's one of the main purposes of both the News and Announcements section and the Ideas and Suggestions section.

Indeed, sadly there wasn't and we ended up with a 100 gift limit.

          And even more sad than that, players were ripp off by million crystals and real money, by TO, with no intention to inform things in advance, which once again, proves nothing but lack of respect for its customers, no matter how much admins here are trying to make it look pretty and useful. 

[F.I.N.I.S.H.E.R 2,397]

          And even more sad than that, players were ripp off by million crystals and real money, by TO, with no intention to inform things in advance, which once again, proves nothing but lack of respect for its customers, no matter how much admins here are trying to make it look pretty and useful. 

This is not really due to our moderators. They are not responsible for this issue. The developers take decision and implement it from their office.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

This is not really due to our moderators. They are not responsible for this issue. The developers take decision and implement it from their office.

 

          I did not say that. Read my posts again.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Hey, let's have a civilized discussion, there's no need to get angry  :)

 

All I was saying is that there was never a system where you had to buy gifts to do something, perhaps my wording was not clear, sorry!

I was calm. You were clearly angry and trying to defend wrong-doing. My words are what I want to say. I'm not going to say something I don't mean. If you read them as angry then that is your choice. I'm not going to flower things up just because you're emotional.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

          My garage is full of gifts, yet my profile shows 48 + 1. But herein mods and admins are denying the rip off at my profile page account. Nice, isn't it?  :lol:  :D  :lol:  :lol:

[burger19987 90]

Okay.... So how about the person who took the title of most gifts in "tanki world records", since everyone can only keep 100 gifts does that mean that he will lose that record????

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

rip hhhh 

[burger19987 90]

So all evidence of those 11k+ gifts are removed, the only evidence being a screenshot which can easily be faked. Now imagine how much of those gifts he sent to himself just to get that record....

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

I'm sorry for you Gen and others who had many gifts.

 

It's a loss, but it can actually be a win for you.

 

When someone treats you bad you learn to not trust that person and you don't trust others easily again.

 

We can also learn that we shouldn't put to much feelings towards a computer game.

 

We can also understand how most business work... Money is first, people are second or worse for them.

 

Things like this make us think.

 

If we reevaluate out priorities in life Tanki and the cute gifts could become meaningless, and that would be a win.

Edited June 22, 2018 by r_Issimo2

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

I'm sorry for you Gen and others who had many gifts.

 

It's a loss, but it can actually be a win for you.

 

When someone treats you bad you learn to not trust that person and you don't trust others easily again.

 

We can also learn that we shouldn't put to much feelings towards a computer game.

 

We can also understand how most business work... Money is first, people are second or worse for them.

 

Things like this make us think.

 

If we reevaluate out priorities in life Tanki and the cute gifts could become meaningless, and that would be a win.

 

          Thank you for your kind words! I understand what you mean, but forget about feelings. Tanki is simply disrespectful regarding its customers. Admins and mods are just trying to cover and paint it to look nicely, but it does not work. Is not only me in the situation, there are many others players and everyone famous. I cannot do a compromise and go over it as if nothing happened. I am so curious to find out the real stats of crys / money that Tanki just did rip off from us all together. 

L.E. Tanki added batteries stats (resulted after customers paid), instead removed gifts stats (after customers paid) within the same hosting and traffic space. Are you kidding me?!

Edited June 22, 2018 by Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger

[r_Kirby4 358]

What's the difference to the profiles server if it says 600 of one item as opposed to only 50 of that item?

I'm a bit away from TO, but if I understand well, then the actual question is in the quote above ^. Why just plainly did they sync number of received gifts shown in the player's profile with number of gifts stored in the player's garage? If the highest count possible shown in the player's profile is 100, does showing the count have any sense then, unless you have received less than 100 gifts?

 

Otherwise, if that (the count reset/sync) is not the issue, what is? Was there a removal of gifts and haven't 100 always been the number of stored gifts, in that case, and where the oldest got deleted?

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Another aspect of the latest RIP OFF that TO is doing to its customers is, we are npt allowed to chose what gifts we can keep as latest 100, coz if we delete them, the older ones don’t exist anyway anymore. So, if you got a gift or 100 gifts tou wanna keep, you can’t, coz anyone else can so easily flood your garage and erase anything else you had there.

What a shame, Tanki Online!!!

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

Another aspect of the latest RIP OFF that TO is doing to its customers is, we are npt allowed to chose what gifts we can keep as latest 100, coz if we delete them, the older ones don’t exist anyway anymore. So, if you got a gift or 100 gifts tou wanna keep, you can’t, coz anyone else can so easily flood your garage and erase anything else you had there.

What a shame, Tanki Online!!!

They have no consideration for players, if they had they would've done things differently. That's why they keep losing players, with updates like these or the module compensation with batteries.

 

CopperO says that long before the update Garages already had a limit of 100 gifts, do you think that's the case? have you checked your gifts before the update and felt they were more than 100? I think she's wrong, because if she's right, there was no need for this change, unless Tanki wants players buying unique gifts to other players that will disappear in time and they forget about it.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

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