Reduce power of garage supplies

[Brubook 1,161]

see my updated post above, railguniz4noobz (correct username by the way, as well as Fire, Thunder, Hammer, and Ricochet also being for noobs)...

 

Uhm .... why do u tell "noob" to railgun users? Or Fire, Thunder, Hammer, and Ricochet?

 

From what I see, you use 1 drug a minute and considering the duration of it, you can be defined drugger. And you cannot earn those drugs in missions only! So it is not wrong to think you are a buyer too.

 

railguniz4noobz for example has the same K/D ratio of you but he uses 1 drug every 6 miinutes!

 

A drugger is a player that need to be "double" to beat an enemy ... draw conclusions!

 

Also ... you have fire right now ... do you include yourself in your "noobs" list?

[Captain_Canuck 49]

Brubook is a troll too cuz he went out of his way to look at and mention that my profile is showing the fire gun.

What he failed to mention to you is the short length of time I`ve used it.

When I realize people are trolling me, I block them

 

And I never said that drugging is wrong. [within the context of Tanki giving it as an option]

In fact, I went out of my way to say why I use drugs.

1- to compete against others who garage drug first (whether they did so by hacking or not)

2- to compete against the hackers

3- to compete against the teams sabotaging my team

(yes, I try to vote out those who sabotage the other team, not just those who do my team...happened yesterday again)

 

HACKERS AND SABOTEURS ARE NOOBS!

[RustyNail 1,538]

Brubook is a troll too cuz he went out of his way to look at and mention that my profile is showing the fire gun.

What he failed to mention to you is the short length of time I`ve used it.

When I realize people are trolling me, I block them

 

And I never said that drugging is wrong.

In fact, I went out of my way to say why I use drugs.

1- to compete against others who garage drug first (whether they did so by hacking or not)

2- to compete against the hackers

3- to compete against the teams sabotaging my team

(yes, I try to vote out those who sabotage the other team, not just those who do my team...happened yesterday again)

 

HACKERS AND SABOTEURS ARE NOOBS!

 

LOL You are a funny little drugger... and if between Brubook and you one is a troll, then I am most certain Brubook is not the one ;)

 

Stop adding labels faster than your brain works, because you make mistakes.

For example: here is a topic made from a large number of people that, right or wrong, they don't appreciate drugging. Should your brain had completed the task, you would understand that naming the creator of the topic troll wouldn't be wise. Especially after you claim yourself a proud occasional drugger.

Ego is not the best consultant we have.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

My gut told me to unblock this specific post of yours and now I am glad I did so.

 

 

I bought my Eternity paint a couple ranks lower than my current rank.

What did it cost me? 100,000 crystals (nowhere near gp_P's false allegation of 250k)

 

 

 

You can see here that I'm not lying and that gp_P is:

 

• From Warrant Officer 1 to Warrant Officer 5:
  • Price: 100 000 crystals
  • Protections: 30% against Firebird, 12% against Thunder
  • Upgradeable to: 45% against Firebird, 18% against Thunder

     

• From Third Lieutenant to Colonel:
  • Price: 250 000 crystals
  • Protections: 40% against Firebird, 25% against Smoky, 10% against Hammer
  • Upgradeable to: 50% against Firebird, 38% against Smoky, 25% against Hammer

- source http://en.tankiwiki.com/Eternity#Protection

 

My Eternity Paint only protects me against Firebird and Thunder, so gp_P is trolling and that is why I blocked him...

 

EDIT UPDATE:

The only reason I ranked up so quick is cuz I had a major sickness so I had weeks of time off work.

Well then excuse me sir, I and everyone else have no prior knowledge to when you bought the paint, so I based my point off of the information I currently have. Ranking 3 times in a one month period? Unbelievable (unless you played 24/7 with an SMP). "Trolling" MY BUTT OKAY.

 

 

 

 

Brubook is a troll too cuz he went out of his way to look at and mention that my profile is showing the fire gun.

What he failed to mention to you is the short length of time I`ve used it.

When I realize people are trolling me, I block them

 

And I never said that drugging is wrong.

In fact, I went out of my way to say why I use drugs.

1- to compete against others who garage drug first (whether they did so by hacking or not)

2- to compete against the hackers

3- to compete against the teams sabotaging my team

(yes, I try to vote out those who sabotage the other team, not just those who do my team...happened yesterday again)

 

HACKERS AND SABOTEURS ARE NOOBS!

Brubook is most certainly not a troll (especially since he is the creator of this topic, like @RustyNail said above). He only did some research to support his point. Yes, he did not mention the short amount of time that you have used it, and the fact still is you used a turret that you yourself considered noob, but if he did mention the turret that you use most, it would be Twins for a whopping eighty-one hours. Twins is by far the noobiest turret in the game. This needs no clarification. Just put a brick on the spacebar and you're ready to go. So far, the only points you have made, which I, in a different topic, (here) have already pointed out are literally the only thing you say without any sort of supporting points, are hackers and saboteurs. I have also, in the topic linked above, stated with reason why hackers and saboteurs are completely irrelevant to the topic of drugs. If you take a look at his posts, all of them contain the phrase at the bottom, "HACKERS AND SABOTEURS ARE NOOBS!". I might as well say why that is wrong as well, because why not? First, they are not noobs. They are just lazy players that use cheats to get around doing something. Second, the real noobs are the druggers like you that "drug to fight hackers" because a) do you not know about the /vote command and reporting to the Game Violators Section, and b.) considering that you drug about 1 drug per minute, I highly doubt that there are hackers wherever you go, which makes them very common, which, by the definition of common, I should also see quite a lot in my battles, which I do not. To sum up, a) hackers/saboteurs are lazy players and druggers are the real noobs and b.) hackers are not that common which makes you a liar in that you use drugs to fight hackers.

 

And my point seems to have been confirmed. If you are wondering what it is, take a look at these posts: 

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[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

 

 

Uhm .... why do u tell "noob" to railgun users? Or Fire, Thunder, Hammer, and Ricochet?

 

From what I see, you use 1 drug a minute and considering the duration of it, you can be defined drugger. And you cannot earn those drugs in missions only! So it is not wrong to think you are a buyer too.

 

railguniz4noobz for example has the same K/D ratio of you but he uses 1 drug every 6 miinutes!

 

A drugger is a player that need to be "double" to beat an enemy ... draw conclusions!

 

Also ... you have fire right now ... do you include yourself in your "noobs" list?

 

That counter doesnt reset every week/day. Those are my total drugs used since the update.

I have used 547 drugs since the update. ( about 100 mines do not count as i play minehunt fairly often, 68 mines used in a real battle )

447 drugs est for 35 days. I have played 59.7 hours since the update rounding at 60 hours * 60 minutes = 3600 minutes of playtime.

I use 1 drug every 8 minutes of playtime. EST

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Captain here has played a rounded 100 hours. With 5827 drugs used not counting mines.  6000 minutes and 5827 drugs = a rounded 1 drug per minute.

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He uses m1 twins against m1/m2 hulls while i use m1 hammer against m0/m1 hulls. I am 8x better at not drugging than him :rolleyes:

He has almost the same KDR as me but always has double the strength of normal equipment.

Im 8x as good as him??? :o :P

[Brubook 1,161]

Brubook is a troll too cuz he went out of his way to look at and mention that my profile is showing the fire gun.

What he failed to mention to you is the short length of time I`ve used it.

When I realize people are trolling me, I block them

 

And I never said that drugging is wrong. [within the context of Tanki giving it as an option]

In fact, I went out of my way to say why I use drugs.

1- to compete against others who garage drug first (whether they did so by hacking or not)

2- to compete against the hackers

3- to compete against the teams sabotaging my team

(yes, I try to vote out those who sabotage the other team, not just those who do my team...happened yesterday again)

 

HACKERS AND SABOTEURS ARE NOOBS!

Dear Captain_Canuck

 

The point of my words is not how long you used your fire or whatever else ... the point is that you must respect people and their choices without calling them noobs. I don't even have fire myself here, so you can see that the point is just respect people!

 

Also using about 6.000 drugs last week (or last 90hrs) identifies a heavy drugger.

 

And saying "I drug in response to drugging" is the most used excuse to drug!

And using 6.000 drugs against saboteurs or hackers would mean that Tanki is one step to blow up!

 

Hackers and saboteurs are not necessarily noobs, but they are surely weird persons with no life! (just to be polite)

 

You also confuse the words "troll" with "discussion". I want to remind you that a discussion starts when opinions are different, like ours are. I noticed that you say "troll" to everyone with an opinion different from yours!

 

It is also general opinion (as generalpotato_PRO said) that twins is the noobest weapon in this game, but I did not underlined that in my previous post, as you, like anyone else, are free to choose the weapon you feel more confident with.

 

Finally ... I say that drugging is wrong, it unbalance the game, it creates frustration and unsatisfaction. Many and many philosophies on weapons or hulls when you just press 2-3-4 and double your tool! Selling power is wrong as a monetization model too, but please read back to know why, because I will not re-write again. There are also other persons like RustyNail or Rohrmeister (or many other great persons here) that explained the mechanism better than me.

[Captain_Canuck 49]

That counter doesnt reset every week/day. Those are my total drugs used since the update.

I have used 547 drugs since the update. ( about 100 mines do not count as i play minehunt fairly often, 68 mines used in a real battle )

447 drugs est for 35 days. I have played 59.7 hours since the update rounding at 60 hours * 60 minutes = 3600 minutes of playtime.

I use 1 drug every 8 minutes of playtime. EST

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Captain here has played a rounded 100 hours. With 5827 drugs used not counting mines.  6000 minutes and 5827 drugs = a rounded 1 drug per minute.

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He uses m1 twins against m1/m2 hulls while i use m1 hammer against m0/m1 hulls. I am 8x better at not drugging than him :rolleyes:

He has almost the same KDR as me but always has double the strength of normal equipment.

Im 8x as good as him??? :o :P

No.

Hammer is a "noob" gun. 

How so? It's one of the strongest/quickest at killing the enemy.

Whereas twins are the weakest/slowest at killing the enemy.

Plus your info shows that I am going against tougher hulls than you are.

And your stats do not include the being hacked and sabotaged against info  ;)

[Captain_Canuck 49]

Hammer takes less time to kill the enemy than twins do.
My point stands.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Hammer takes less time to kill the enemy than twins do.

My point stands.

Lets check the stats shall we?

Twins m1 DPS = 40.84 minimum

Hammer m1 DPS = 28.775 maximum

Please check what you are talking about before you spew nonsense.

http://en.tankiwiki.com/Hammer

http://en.tankiwiki.com/Twins

[Captain_Canuck 49]

Your wiki links do not mention how many seconds of shooting it takes to destroy the enemy (obviously it would depend what type of tank you're shooting against), so I don't see how you came up with the DPS stats when the wiki links don't mention that.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Your wiki links do not mention how many seconds of shooting it takes to destroy the enemy (obviously it would depend what type of tank you're shooting against), so I don't see how you came up with the DPS stats when the wiki links don't mention that.

I took the firing speed and did some math with damage per shot. Its simple math bro not rocket science. Does the armor of the tank reduce/increase dps? Hammer m1 cant one shot anything and cant destroy a dictator/titan/mammoth m1 in 3 shots. ( not counting double power ) Twins can fire forever.

[Captain_Canuck 49]

The firing speed of twins are faster than the hammer

but are a lot less effective.
Overall, the hammer kills enemies faster than twins do.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

No.

Hammer is a "noob" gun. 

How so? It's one of the strongest/quickest at killing the enemy.

Whereas twins are the weakest/slowest at killing the enemy.

Plus your info shows that I am going against tougher hulls than you are.

And your stats do not include the being hacked and sabotaged against info  ;)

What the absolute fudge are you talking about? Do you even realize what you are saying? -_- Hammer is one of the best turrets in the game and take more skill to master than Twins. How does your argument even make any bit of sense at all? It's noob because it kills the enemy faster? WHAT THE HELL? Literally all you have to do is set a paperweight on your spacebar and you have mastered Twins. With Hammer you need to know the pellet spread, the pellet range, the number of shots required to kill specific hulls, where to aim to knock off enemy aim, shot efficiency, when to reload, how to not get flipped by recoil, and a hell of a lot more to master. Do you really think anyone will believe that there is a turret more noob than Twins? You must be absolutely insane to even state that there is a turret more noob than Twins.

Plus, you even stated something that proved yourself wrong. "[Hammer] is one of the strongest/quickest at killing the enemy" That is exactly why it is not a noob weapon. It is strong, and many players like it. You even said yourself that it is the strongest, therefore, it is not noob. "Twins [is] (get your grammar right) the weakest/slowest at killing the enemy." You are right. It is the weakest turret, which is exactly why it is the noobiest (at M1, of course. M3 is OP af). Like I said, plop a rock on the spacebar and you're good to go. Need I say more why Twins is the most noob turret? Twins has no reload, insane cumulative knockback, and constant DPS in contrast to Hammer with reload every 3 shots, knockback per pellet per shot, and delay in DPS. Think about your argument before you say it.

 

Hammer takes less time to kill the enemy than twins do.

My point stands.

And no, your point never stood in the first place. It was crippled and buried deep in the dirt before you even said it.

 

Also, this is not the topic to be discussing turrets and their DPS and stats. Do it in their designated topics, Let's discuss Twins! and Let's discuss Hammer!. Captain, you seem to always be going off topic to attempt to retain your pride when we have stripped you of it. Because you keep going off topic and not properly discussing the proper topic, I think it is safe to label you the troll. By now, I would suggest you leave the discussion because it is clear you do not want to contribute to it.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

http://i.imgur.com/KmpL9oA.gif

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Here you go if you're too lazy to click the link: xD

I don't either, but unfortunately for us, Captain_Canuck refuses to leave due to his pride and fear of losing it.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I tried to PM him, but I realized he has blocked me on the belief that I was trolling him after I proved some of his points wrong. Here is the message I was going to send to him:

 

I am going to ask you very nicely to leave the discussions because you are not providing useful feedback and keep going off topic to avoid the valid arguments of other users that have made yours invalid. I, and others, believe that you are doing this to retain your pride. Pride is not an issue on the forum, let me make that clear. No one should be more prideful than the other, because we are all equally prideful. We are here to discuss, not humiliate each other, and I am by no means trying to humiliate you. Arguments will be rejected and falsified (I have experienced it before so I know how you feel) but it is considered spam and trolling to continue making the same argument than has been proven wrong many, many times. Simply stating it over and over again will not make it right. 

Once again, I am going to ask you kindly to leave the discussion if you have no more different points to make that are related to the issue of drugging. Otherwise, please state them. If you do not comply, I will have no choice but to report you for spam.

 

Hopefully he reads this message.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

He's insulting Hammer, talk about going for the low-hanging fruit.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

He's insulting Hammer, talk about going for the low-hanging fruit.

I insulted twins. That fruit hit the ground 2 years ago and served as a very good fertilizer.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

http://i.imgur.com/KmpL9oA.gif

Id love to jontron gif you to death but imgur decided it was not done vanbooziling. :/

http://imgur.com/vidgif/ticket/da18c240 if you can get it to work

[Captain_Canuck 49]

...awaiting proof instead of your spin-doctoring (I'll check back tomorrow).

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

...awaiting proof instead of your spin-doctoring (I'll check back tomorrow).

You want proof? I already gave you DPS of both turrets.

Twins minimum damage 10.21 - Twins shots per second 4 - 10.21 * 4 = 40.84

Hammer maximum damage 61.58 - Hammer shots per second 0.43 = 26.4794

I did my math wrong the first time but twins still kills faster than hammer.

Your only point in this is hammer kills faster than twins making it a noob turret. Anything you say past this is irrelevant as i already have proven your only point wrong. Give up bro. There are cookies if you give up. Nobody will hold a grudge against you and it will be forgotten.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I see he didn't read my message yet because he blocked me on grounds of trolling him (aka proving his points wrong). Someone tell him to read it lol.

 

Btw @railguniz4noobz you better watch out, the mighty Captain_Canuck (aka Captain_BlockEveryone) will block you for trolling.

[KillerGnat 3,135]

Captain C, I'm a Twins user, and even I admit that they're pretty noob. It doesn't take a lot of skill to master them. You could also argue, though, that all other guns are easy to master too. The Hammer can destroy most hulls with it's three-shot cartridge, the Rail can be used to great effect with only limited practice, and all the other guns have their strengths. Please remember that the success with these guns depends on the skill of the user. I've seen tankers using Twins, supposedly a noob gun giving sure success to the user, in the bottoms of team charts. If it is so noob and easy, Twins users should always be in the top half of the team chart.

 

     This entire discussion has gone off topic though, this wasn't meant to be a place to discuss the difference between Twins and Hammer, but rather a place to discuss drugging. No matter which gun you use, drugging will win you the game. Drugging is an annoying phenomenon in Tanki, and must be changed. No more needs to be said. Please try to keep this on topic, I wouldn't want this to be closed.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Captain C, I'm a Twins user, and even I admit that they're pretty noob. It doesn't take a lot of skill to master them. You could also argue, though, that all other guns are easy to master too. The Hammer can destroy most hulls with it's three-shot cartridge, the Rail can be used to great effect with only limited practice, and all the other guns have their strengths. Please remember that the success with these guns depends on the skill of the user. I've seen tankers using Twins, supposedly a noob gun giving sure success to the user, in the bottoms of team charts. If it is so noob and easy, Twins users should always be in the top half of the team chart.

 

     This entire discussion has gone off topic though, this wasn't meant to be a place to discuss the difference between Twins and Hammer, but rather a place to discuss drugging. No matter which gun you use, drugging will win you the game. Drugging is an annoying phenomenon in Tanki, and must be changed. No more needs to be said. Please try to keep this on topic, I wouldn't want this to be closed.

Yeah, this "smart supplies" thing is "the perfect solution". Now people that drugged can have DA and DP at the same time while newly spawned tanks can only have one. This promotes direct spawn camping and leaves the camped tankers helpless against the druggers. I liked it better when you could always have 2,3,4 at the same time and be equals.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

You make an excellent point of spawn camping, but at the same time, SCD did solve the problem of activating all three drugs at once, but also in contrast, SCD did not solve the problem of drugging one bit.