[Guide] How to face a Thunder

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

Check out SpiderPig1's guide on Thunder! [Guide] Thunder

 

His guide is on how to use Thunder, this guide is in the perspective of the prey.

 

We all know that one of Thunder's key characteristics is the splash damage. It is both a pro and a con. But in the shoes of the prey, it is a pro for you, and a con for them.

 

Unlike most Thunderers, I don't think the self destructing tactic on other tanks is annoying to the other players. In fact, in my opinion, it is the opposite. There is nothing you can do except let the other player damage you until you get to the last bit of HP and self destruct. You're basically useless when you are caught at that postion. That tactic in my opinion, is a sign of weakness. You either aren't using the Thunder properly, and to its full potential, or the other player is more skilled with their turret than yours, whether it is another Thunder or any other turret.

 

When facing a Thunder with my Thunder, what I like to do is "alternate" shots. Meaning you shoot, then let the other guy shoot, not both at once. When you do this, shoot the other guy in a safe distance so you won't deal splash damage to yourself, then charge at the other guy, so that when he shoots at you, he'll deal splash damage to himself. Then, you back up and shoot again, which in most cases, is your kill, or do the same tactic once more to get the kill. However, this can only be used in close quarter gun fights. (If it is not, refer to sections 2 and 4.)

 

When facing a Thunder, either:

1. Run away

2. Play hide 'n' seek

3. Face him face to face (literally) 

4. Flank and/or circle him.

 

1. You run away from a Thunder if he has the range or health advantage.

 

The Thunder has the range advantage if the turret you are using is a short range one. (Run.) However, if you are fairly close to him, whether you are playing in a small map, or you two are separated between a wall/corner, then attack him. (Refer to section 4.)

 

 

According to the the above screenshots, Thunder is outranged by only Smoky in the medium range turrets category. But, Thunders wouldn't fight a Smoky in a long range gun fight, would they? So, they run away. You need to get closer to the Thunder to actually deal damage to him, if you are using the other 2 medium range turrets (Twins and Rico.) This is where the rate of fire shines. Thunder has the lowest rate of fire in the medium range class, so you can to take advatage of this. You can either go to the distance that will deal the minimum damage, so you can actually hit him, or "(Run.)". If you want to fight, again, go the the range that'll hit the Thunder. Because of its drastic decrease in damage over long distances, you'll be dealing more damage to him than he is to you. For example, if you were fighting a Thunder with your Twins (both m0), you would be dealing 1,080 damage per minute, and the Thunder would be dealing 954.7 damage per minute. (If the turret you are using is Thunder, refer to section 2.)

 

If using a long range turret, simple. Go to a distance so that the Thunder wouldn't be able to hit you, or a distance that the Thunder wouldn't deal a lot of damage to you. If you are caught being near him, and you can't get to a safe distance, charge at him and shoot him. This will deal him damage from your shot, and from his splash damage upon himself.

 

Specifically with Shaft, there are two options:

A. Arcade shot

B. Scoped shot

 

A. With an arcade shot, you will be able to stick by his side, and deal some damage.

 

B. If you attempt to do a scoped shot, the Thunder would have backed away far enough to not splash himself, and kill you in those 3 scope charging seconds. However, you could quick scope him, you deal atleast the minimum damage when scoped, and still be close enough to splash himself. If you manage to kill him with a full 3 second charged shot during the Thunder's reload, consider yourself lucky. (Or skilled.)

 

A Thunder has the health advantage if it has a higher HP hull than yours, or you took damage from a previous encounter. The other thing is that they may have a paint that has protection from the turret you are using. In my opinion, attack if the paint has a protection of 15% or under.

 

2. You play peek a boo with him if you have a turret that can do so, basically single shot turrets. (Smoky, Railgun, Thunder, Ricochet.) The only exceptions are Ricochet and Shaft. With Ricochet, you don't always need to peek out to shoot your enemy. In some cases, you can shoot off a surface, whether it be the ground, a wall, or the ceiling, and do damage to them, without exposing yourself. But, if they are at an awkward angle, and you cannot shoot being cover, you can be able to do the peek a boo tactic with it as well. My opinion is 2-3 bullets per peek. With Shaft, because you need to charge your shot for 3 seconds to deal the maximum damage, you are exposed longer than the other ones, so you have a more likely chance of getting hit.

 

3. (Refer to section 1 to read about medium and longe range turrets.) With short range turrets, you obviously need to be very close to them. You should be close enough so that when they shoot at you, they deal extra damage to themselves via splashing themselves.

 

Now, be careful! There are some things that they'll do when being attacked by a short range gun:

A. Splash a nearby surface

B. Let you shoot them, then self destruct on you

 

A. To deal damage to you, but not to themselves/less damage than a direct shot at you, they will shoot a nearby surface to you, as I said before.

 

B. Let you shoot them, then take the easy way out by self destructing on you when they are very low on health.

 

4. To flank and/or circle them, this is best done with a short range turret and a light hull. (Freeze and Wasp/Hornet work best.) With this combo, the Thunder wouldn't be able to keep up with your turning speed, because of their slower turret rotaion. This could also work for the other two categories (medium and long range), but it won't be as effective as the short range turrets'.

 

Now, be careful! As I said above in section 3, they may shoot a nearby surface to deal damage to you, and/or on themselves to self destruct. So, circling a Thunder is best done in an open area.

 

Now to briefly discuss about paints. I recommend you to get a paint with Thunder protection. It is a very popular, if not the most popular, turret in the game. If a Thunder shoots at you at a precise range, it'll deal a heck a lot o' damage on you. If you want a paint with Thunder protection, go with a paint with a high protection on it. Some examples of them are:

- Cedar

- Rustle

- Emerald

 

Do not get a paint with many low protections, with Thunder protection being one of them, if you want to use that paint strictly against Thunders. Because of its (possible) high damage per shot, a paint like Corrosion with 15% protection, just ain't gonna cut it, especially when you are using a low HP hull.

 

Well that's it folks! Hope you enjoyed, and feel free to type feedback down below. Thanks! :D

Edited January 19, 2014 by HaloScorpionV2

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

~Reserved~

[vanshajwore 324]

Bad topic for me -_-

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

You obviously didn't read the guide, 'cause there's tips on how to fight a Thunder if you have a Thunder

Edited January 19, 2014 by HaloScorpionV2

[sam131192 113]

Nice guide :) Some very good tactics mentioned in a beautiful way.

Edited January 19, 2014 by sam131192

[ribslad 6]

This guide isn't constructed that greatly. What I mean is you have to include game modes. In DM's you want the kill, not him killing himself, but in CTF's you want him to die with the flag. Also if fighting a thunder or you using thunder, get a paint with high damage reduction. I have cedar and I can attack anything head on and win because I'm doing more damage to them than me. Also Corriosion saves you from getting 1-hit by a drugging M1 thunder about 80% of the time. 

  From an excellent thunder user.

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

1. This guide isn't constructed that greatly. What I mean is you have to include game modes. In DM's you want the kill, not him killing himself, but in CTF's you want him to die with the flag.

2.Also if fighting a thunder or you using thunder, get a paint with high damage reduction. I have cedar and I can attack anything head on and win because I'm doing more damage to them than me. Also Corriosion saves you from getting 1-hit by a drugging M1 thunder about 80% of the time. 

  From an excellent thunder user.

1. So just because I didn't include one section in the guide which isn't related to it, it "isn't constructed greatly"? This guide isn't how to defend your objective against a Thunder (CTF/CP), or get kills against a Thunder (TDM/DM), especially when your are not threatened by one. It's about how to defend yourself against one when he's got his sights on you, and he wants to kill you. You defend yourself by either running away, or use self defence and kill him before he kills you with the above strategies.

2. I already discussed about paints. What I'm saying is that Corrosion and Sandstone isn't made to face strictly Thunders. They are paints that provide a variety of resistance against many guns, with low protections. If you want a paint to face Thunders only with, get Cedar/Rustle/Emerald.

Honestly, man just read the guide before making a comment like this. Waste of time.

Edited January 19, 2014 by HaloScorpionV2

[doughnut2100 763]

Good job bud. :)

[MisterGeneral 692]

Nice! added here http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=185686

Edited January 20, 2014 by MisterGeneral

[flae88 948]

Nice guide

Edited January 21, 2014 by flae88

[ExtremeKiller26 443]

Nice! Getting rustle on rank up since in DMs it is VERY popular.

[r_SpiderPig12 98]

i like

ps thanks for mentioning my guide :)

[Lt.Tank-Marshall 32]

I like it

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

i like

ps thanks for mentioning my guide :)

Well thanks for the idea for this guide! :P

[Titan_Freeze 47]

You can face a Thunder,but you can`t face me  :P

[Smok-Ti-Thun 93]

HaloScorpion, nice guide. This time I took the time to properly read it.

 

Very substantiated: compliments!

 

In real life all the tactics described are ofcourse not that easy to implement, but in the ground it 's

seems all correct to me and the way it should be done! B)

 

One thing as "Thunderer" myself, really got my attention:

 

"When facing a Thunder with my Thunder, what I like to do is "alternate" shots. Meaning you shoot, then let the other guy shoot, not both at once. When you do this, shoot the other guy in a safe distance so you won't deal splash damage to yourself, then charge at the other guy, so that when he shoots at you, he'll deal splash damage to himself. Then, you back up and shoot again, which in most cases, is your kill, or do the same tactic once more to get the kill. However, this can only be used in close quarter gun fights."

 

I am really going to try this in battles. Till now if I get more or less cornered by another Thunder I would just hold my

ground and shoot it out.

 

Viking 's HP and Cedar often do the job, but this must be a much better (healthier  :D  ) tactic, so thanks! :)

 

 

p.s. not so much thanks for giving away all the Thunder 's weak spots: now we get mass-killed...... ;)

[Remaine 4,687]

Good good.

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

p.s. not so much thanks for giving away all the Thunder 's weak spots: now we get mass-killed...... ;)

:lol:

[rokar123 11]

Nice guide.

Edited February 15, 2014 by rokar123

[ribslad 6]

1. So just because I didn't include one section in the guide which isn't related to it, it "isn't constructed greatly"? This guide isn't how to defend your objective against a Thunder (CTF/CP), or get kills against a Thunder (TDM/DM), especially when your are not threatened by one. It's about how to defend yourself against one when he's got his sights on you, and he wants to kill you. You defend yourself by either running away, or use self defence and kill him before he kills you with the above strategies.

2. I already discussed about paints. What I'm saying is that Corrosion and Sandstone isn't made to face strictly Thunders. They are paints that provide a variety of resistance against many guns, with low protections. If you want a paint to face Thunders only with, get Cedar/Rustle/Emerald.

Honestly, man just read the guide before making a comment like this. Waste of time.

Got some points. I agree but saying it's a waste of time. 1. If it was that big of a waste, why would you give such a big comment about it. 2 How do you know it's a good use of time for me. And thirdly it's true, I shouldn't of said it's badly constructed but I'm not going to edit it because it would just be confusing. I came across wrong. I'm sorry for that.

[HaloScorpion 79]

Apology accepted man

[blasterbros 7]

nice .. usefull topic. 

[doduobird 315]

Thunder M2 and Mammy M2 with Rustle or Emerald is really annoying,

I always use a double power when I'm a shaft just to take them out, in case they start to drug.

 

Also once I was shaft and there was a thunder hornet at the top of the ramp, and he was using double powers and double defences, and trying to get me, so when he poked his over the ramp to shoot the side of the ramp and splash me, I shot him, and he flipped over :D

lol

[ribslad 6]

Apology accepted man

:) Thanks. It's all goucheee  B)

[dilsharox 2,395]

intresting guide

its very useful 2 a person who uses thunder(like me)