Completed Make generalissimos unable to play with lower ranks

[RustyNail 1,538]

Well, title is not that accurate, but sometimes one-phrase title can't explain all.. So, bear with me for the next few lines.

When one reach the top rank after a while one has most of garage items and soon piles of supplies. Most maps are known and thus boredom starts to crawl inside the brain.

Tanki had planned Starladder tournaments for the veterans that wished to exceed and keep playing the game in high levels of proficiency... But many Gsimmos don't participate in Starladder for a series of reasons, while they still want to play "the usual Tanki", only something new that have not try it yet.

 

There could be a system for gathering Gsimos apart from lower ranks, not right away but after a while. Say, when a Gsimo reaches 2.000.000  xp-points.

Until that limit, the "new" Gsimo can play in all the usual battles, as it is now. But after the given points, they can play only a small number of the usual battles, say 5 per day, or a specific amount of time, like 1 hour.

Instead, there will be a new group of maps, 5 or 10, where only "veterans" can play, maps of increased difficulty or more demanding in terms of environment, in comparison to the known maps.

These battles could be called Veteran Wars.

Possibly, they could be played only through Pro pass (which is zero difficult for Gsimos to have) so that a variety of settings is available, one for every taste.

 

Thus, Gsimmos won't get bored of Tanki for quite some more time, new Gsimos will have something new and interesting to keep them to play and lower than Gsimmos ranks (Generals to Fieldmarshals) won't be "trapped" in battles where Gsimmos with M4 gizmo dominate the map.

 

Obviously, this new area for veterans may have its own rewards or colors of honor, or even a tournament of its own. Many ideas can exist within this new concept, ideas for selling items that have veteran value or personalized skins etc.

 

Ok, that's the idea, comments are welcomed, up votes are more welcomed ;)

 

 

2016 January, 29th EDIT:

There have been reasonable doubts, regarding the options that veteran players will have, should this idea be implemented... there is certainly no intention to restrict their playing or punish them for acquiring this amount of xp. :)

So, there could be certain ways for them to enjoy unlimited access to standard battles, if downgrading the combos was available in battles. Thus, a veteran player could use M2 (for example) modifications for participating to lower rank battles.

Or, a bigger variety than 5-10 veteran maps would provide a wide range of choices, enough that lower range maps wouldn't be missed.

Also, certain maps for premium users only, would provide extra motivation for getting a premium account (thus extra money to the company) but that is another idea.

In any case, I am sure that Devs can work it out and get to a solution that will "protect" relatively lower xp players from those monsters of 3, 3,5 or 5 million xp :D

 

2016 January, 30th EDIT:

An other alternative modification that would solve the problem I mention is a "special" ranking of gssimos (say, like that: 1,4 - 2,5 ml xp is vet1, 2,5 - 4 ml xp is vet2 and above that is vet3, that is a total of 3 "ranks" that all are called gssimo) and in participating a battle that rank is taken into consideration so that a vet3 can't play along with Marshals in a battle with a range of 4 ranks.

Suggestions are wellcomed.

[Maf 32,305]

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[Earth 1,091]

 

I understand the idea, but there are few problems - Bought acc players *NOOBS* - they buy gissimo account, go in battles with awesome equipment, as Titan Ricochet and some awesome paint

If they will have more than 2 milion exp, they will ruin games

[RustyNail 1,538]

 

 

I understand the idea, but there are few problems - Bought acc players *NOOBS* - they buy gissimo account, go in battles with awesome equipment, as Titan Ricochet and some awesome paint

If they will have more than 2 milion exp, they will ruin games

 

I don't understand friend, what has this to do with my idea. Maybe you don't understand what I propose? Please explain more..

One other thing, is this account an alt account? That is, are you a Gsimmo? Or is this your first account in Tanki?

[RustyNail 1,538]

good idea 

creating maps just for them wont be necessary 

Thanks for agreeing. New "veteran" maps won't be necessary, but I believe they will be appreciated... ;)

[sahl_super 157]

No need,if it happened so high ranks can kill low ranks players easliy. In fact can rarely meet rigth ?

[E.Leclerc 1,887]

I'll upvote this to fix the reputation.  :lol:

[RustyNail 1,538]

No need,if it happened so high ranks can kill low ranks players easliy. In fact can rarely meet rigth ?

What is this you are saying? It's irrelevant to what I say.

In fact I say the opposite. That very experienced Gsimmos will be able to take part only in a small number of common battles and most of the time they will play with each other.

Are you familiar with high ranks battles? Is this your main account or an alt?

[Bydo 20,138]

most lower players can`t handle the fast pace battles that gismo`s do and have little to no experience on getting gold box`s or kills in dm battles please put gismo and  other top two  ranks in there own league ..there is no way these lower players can do any where near half of what gismo do`s and if they continue to play all that is going on is the gismo use them for play toys lowering there xp in battles when the gismo`s will get more stronger and will cream them out with one hit...i know i have two gismo`s and other lower accounts and its impossible to battle with high ranks on my lower accounts .you can`t get a shoot on them

[sahl_super 157]

What is this you are saying? It's irrelevant to what I say.

In fact I say the opposite. That very experienced Gsimmos will be able to take part only in a small number of common battles and most of the time they will play with each other.

Are you familiar with high ranks battles? Is this your main account or an alt?

This my main account , i am saying that Generalissimo can beat M1s easliy but little hard to beat M2s so is better rank to meet

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Anyone with a red star and a bar going against a gismo is nothing less than suicide. I don't even like going against them due to the significant difference in equipment levels (although from time to time I can get 3rd or 2nd against them :P )

[RustyNail 1,538]

It's been a while since anyone commented in this topic and I think it's worth a re-thinking.

 

Today, I 've been in a battle CTF and this guy comes all shining armor (premium account) and a bright gem (or two) always shine over his name.

I chat to him: "you 're a noob drugger" and he responds: "yes, thanks ;)"

The battle ended and I checked his profile.

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/AKIFYASEEN/

 

Ok, he's got 5,1 million xp. Five, point  one million!

 

I am a recent Gssimo, I have 1,4 million xp. It took me a decent year and a half to get there. This guy, has three times my xp.

He probably has a good range of M4 combos and all the significant paints, plus a fat supplies stock. So, using a few of them is nothing to him.

I accept it's fair for him to play using his garage.

But against a guy like me, it's as if I play with a general. Difference in garage and real experience.

 

So, what would be a fair / balanced solution for these encounters?

Yep, either some special maps for veterans (above 2 or 2,5 million xp points) or the ability to downgrade equipment for joining certain battles.

(the latter deserves a topic of its own, as I am sure at least one exists)

 

So, here it goes again: a division of Gssimos at a certain xp-point and all the above-that-point Gssimos can play only in special maps for them or in standard maps, but only with top 2 or 3 ranks. Even a marshal is too little an opponent for a 5 million xp.

 

Also, these special maps could be accessible only through premium accounts.

Isn't this an idea worth considering?

[Quora 125]

The idea is good at it's place.... But Supplies and upgrades are the in-game features.. It is not like i have been using something that is illegal. Calling someone a noob drugger for using the features of a game is not a advisable thing to do. Even then i took it in a light way as i come across that comment from players regularly :p

 

The Idea is good though, I wont mind playing against veterans in special maps. But i doubt this idea would go any far than this, As there are pro battles for the non drugging players. Moreover you can switch off upgrades too in pro battles.

[stawp_thundertime 275]

True, i would just lenghten the path to gismo, so when a new gismo arises he has atleast 1 m4 combo, and some good paints for his tank.

It's ridiculous how agile m4 is, for example m4 smokys fire ratio and impact force will mess smoky m3 up so badly, just because he will after a few shots get the position to knock m3s aim off, resulting in 1 shot that the m3 has to pass, not to forget the struggle that is trying to fix your aim with lighter, slower turning hull and lower impact force, slower rotating turret, a smoky m3 with the same skills can sometimes deal only 1/4rd of the damage of m4 if he gets on 1v1(depending on what kind of skills we are talking about ofc).

What comes to hulls, thanks to the better manouverability of m4 they can dodge, take much safer pushes, turns, blocks, runs etc.

 

Only a 2nd time gismo, or a well informed 1st timer realises to specialise in 1 combo before it's too late, if he doesnt have m4 combo or m3 xp, he will have bad time succeeding in battles. This forces nonspecialised gismos on no MU battles, it's not bad, but it could be better. :)

[RustyNail 1,538]

The idea is good at it's place.... But Supplies and upgrades are the in-game features.. It is not like i have been using something that is illegal. Calling someone a noob drugger for using the features of a game is not a advisable thing to do. Even then i took it in a light way as i come across that comment from players regularly :P

 

The Idea is good though, I wont mind playing against veterans in special maps. But i doubt this idea would go any far than this, As there are pro battles for the non drugging players. Moreover you can switch off upgrades too in pro battles.

Thanks for coming and commenting here. :)

 

In regard to different ways of supplies usage, there is a relative topic ( http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&hl= ) but in two words I will say that pro battles are not the solution since Pro pass is expensive in low ranks and due to this, unpopular, making it difficult for someone to find a non-XP/BP non-parkour non-full-drugging battle in regard to all ranks.

In plain words, there aren't simple CTF or DM battles in Pro mode, as there are in standard Tanki. So, Pro battles with drops only (that would be a satisfactory way of fighting) are less than rare and I have not the time to spend, creating such battles and waiting for hours trying to gather players for this battle.

[tony990_Superstar 68]

Well you're a Generalissimo so this should be approved, given how Moderators only look at topics created by people who are Captain or above. If not they just write out a crappy sentence that has nothing to do with the topic then close it because if you're not a Generalissimo you don't deserve attention apparently even if the idea is remotely good.

[RustyNail 1,538]

I don't like this idea. I think it's silly to restrict Generalissimos to enter 5 maps each day. Many people I know play much more than that (5 hours) in different maps - light format xp bp and supplies.

I am sorry, that is not exactly what I proposed.

Let me clear this up for you. According to this idea, Gssimos from 1.400.000 xp up to, say, 2.500.000 xp can play every map, with the rest of the lower ranks players. (that is almost the same amount of xp from scratch till Gssimo)

While, "veteran" Gssimos with more than those xp points (2.500.000 in the example) can play:

1) Every map there is, but for a given number of battles (rounds) or a given time (i.e. one hour per day).

2) Those special maps I mentioned, that after all, can be more than the initial proposition of 5-10.

 

Alternatively, they could play all standard maps for unlimited time / rounds, but only when all co-players are Gssimos only.

 

I understand your objection and share your concerns. This idea could be "worked" a little, so that these players can have more options for playing. But the root-idea is to somehow separate players with huge amounts of xp (that mean not only bigger experience from other players but better garage too) from lower xp players. That is after all the reason that there is a rank range in setting a new battle.

[DeadlyPlayer123 282]

i think not only gissmos but from field marshals to gissmo should play together as these three ranks have got that much experience

[tony990_Superstar 68]

I don't like this idea. I think it's silly to restrict Generalissimos to enter 5 maps each day. Many people I know play much more than that (5 hours) in different maps - light format xp bp and supplies.

Funny how you didn't close this even though you rejected the idea...maybe you should tell your mod buddies to do the same with MY ideas ;-)

[Jwimmer 2,835]

I can only see bad out of limiting gissimo's time playing per day. I have played little apps where you have to "recharge fuel" or something after a few rounds, and I dont play those games anymore... It would be no different for tanki. Instead, I can see adding new ranks as a feasible option. There is a huge number of gissimos, some with 5 mil xp, some with 1.5 mil xp. If we add new ranks, they would not be able to play with, say brigadiers and down (m2 ranks and down). It would solve the problem of having incredibly op weapons vs bad weapons, would make the game more interesting, and would not limit in game playing time for high ranks.

[Sr.I3oSS 2,546]

Or simply, smaller ranks make battle not-up-to-gissimo and Generalissimos who are too noob to compete with M4 Generalissimos, make a battle with MU/Supplies off.

[RustyNail 1,538]

i think not only gissmos but from field marshals to gissmo should play together as these three ranks have got that much experience

Take into consideration that a Gssimo of 1.500.000 xp playing (fighting) a gssimo of 3.000.000 xp is kinda like a recruit fighting a gssimo.. THAT huge difference in xp.

After a certain point (4, 5 million xp) there is no real difference because all garage should be purchaced by everybody at that point, as well as all the MUs for favorit combos. And of course, practically everybody at that point is similarly experienced in Tanki... so it doesn't matter if a 4 million xp gssimo fights a 6 millions xp gssimo. But from 1,4 to 2 or 2,5 it does matter in the same way it matters if a General fights a WO3.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Or simply, smaller ranks make battle not-up-to-gissimo and Generalissimos who are too noob to compete with M4 Generalissimos, make a battle with MU/Supplies off.

I am pretty much sure that almost all players create battles that are up to their own rank. Few exceptions that create battles for playing with friends of a higher rank, can only confirm what the rule is.

 

Therefore, no such thing exists, as low rank player creating a battle with his rank as a lower rank range. (excuse my poor english)

 

But it would help if standard range for creating a battle is set to +-2 ranks. But this won't solve the problem I mentioned, so here we go back to start. It is reasoanple that real veteran gssimos play separatly than fresh gssimos, just like gssimos that can't play with much lower ranks.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Please, take a look at the second EDIT of 30 Januaqry... This alternative is easier and probably secures a fair distinction of gssimos without much interaction with other vital settings of the game.

 

Thank you

[joostcool 5,942]

What is your view of your idea if you apply it on eSports? Will players be able to play against lower-rank opponents after that hour has worked out? 

 

Also, what if a match is 999 minutes long, and that 3.000.000 generallissimo is leading on top. Will he get removed from the battle? If not, I would join such battles if I were a veteran then...

 

 

What about simply getting ourselves new ranks? Add 3 ranks maybe, but limiting the ranks to play even further is not a good idea. I used to have a lot of parkour with a very good friend of mine who's rank was so much lower than mine. That's not possible anymore, because tanki limited the ranks to play together. It was first warrant officer 5, now it's major with generalissimo, and I was not all too happy with that.