YES! That's the word I was looking for when arguing against daily missions; it's a chore! Couldn't agree more. It's not fun in any way, it's a chore. I for instance get sick of constantly getting missions where it says "Gain experience on Rio map". I don't like to play in that map at extended periods of time and/or every single/every other day; it gets boring! But if I want more crystals or supplies I HAVE to do it if I have already changed a mission for free, otherwise have to pay for it!

This... I did not expect. Well played, Alternativa Platform, well played, you know how to survive in the Capitalist economy... What am I talking about? The discounts on the upgrades hulls and weapons when you have multiple of them with the respective upgrade already and what I'm most glad for is that you will be able to get M3 without paying for M0s, M1s and M2s. That's exactly what I need for the hulls and weapons I have M1 and M2 on my main account (I have nothing M0; I have not bought Vulcan and Hunter at all, so that does not count as an M0 for me. It simply counts as nothing.) So, everyone willing to buy crap this update; hold up on it all! Don't buy anything unless your rank's quite small or you're high rank, but have nothing M1 or M0. Wait till this update, then wait till the next sale and THEN buy it; I for instance (if it's like a 50% sale next time on turrets or something) will be able to get say Vulcan as M3 for just 92400 (which is the total price for the turret if it's a 50% sale, I get 20% more off from the turret for having 6 turrets M3 and not having to pay for the M0, M1 nor the M2 upgrades) crystals instead of 342650. So wait for that "discount update" and then wait for a sale, people! Then get some stuff in yer garage :P

Me thinks you don't know how Capitalism works, bud. /\Wrong. This: A: 50% off or B: 40% off? Me thinks you ALSO don't know how Capitalism works :D

A year later: Here’s what you can look forward to from the 9th to the 13th of September (all times in UTC): 02:00 on Sept 9 – 02:00 on Sept 14 — holiday paint 02:00 on Sept 10 – 02:00 on Sept 11 — 1500 crystal gold boxes 02:00 on Sept 11 – 02:00 on Sept 12 — 20% bonus on all crystal purchases 02:00 on Sept 11 – 02:00 on Sept 12 — 30% off all turrets 02:00 on Sept 12 – 02:00 on Sept 13 — 30% off all hulls 02:00 on Sept 13 – 02:00 on Sept 14 — 30% off all paints I'm willing to bet that there will be more updates to make people buy crystals and more sale cuts in the future, because from the TO dev perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoYWdHe4tQ4

@@hhgb you don't seem to understand the situation. It's not the amount of people playing that is going down the drain (though earlier this year it did go down from almost 100k players down to now 70k max) it's the economy. More players does not always equal more money to them; more WEALTHY players might mean more money to Alternativa Platform (the company who runs this game), but usually it's middle or working class people that play this type of game mostly and they either can't afford to buy crystals or they don't think it's worth it, or both! Economy is what is going down the drain and it doesn't seem like it'll recover, so even if you see a bunch of people playing the game today, the game might be shut down, along with the company the next day and then none would be able to play the game as it requires the company to run servers for players to play the game. And tbh I would really be glad if the company would just go bust because this game can't be improved without its economy being reshaped completely.

I'm left wing... Does that count?

I'll tell yah:* Advertisement * Luxuries * Conventions * More luxuries Need more examples? EDIT: Also it seems if they'll go down this route, people won't even need to leave; more players would eventually stop buying crap ton of crystals, crushing the economy. In all honesty, I hope the Alternativa Platform goes bust; that way, may be some day the game can be "recycled" where mechanics such as turrtes (I love the design of ricochet), hulls and unique paints are kept, whilst turning this into a completely different style of game, where you don't rely on constant crystal purchasing, but rather skill and actually have some fun for once with decent graphics and well developed maps, because honestly, I can think of better maps than the ones they have recently come up with, such as Aleksandrovsk.

*taunting sarcasm* Because yus, we're superior! I don't get why even the lightest name calling would be considered bad here. Such big part of languageusage just gets banned for bull reasons that most players don't give a crap about! If it's supposed to be "child friendly" then swearing has nothing to do with it; kids these days hear swear words from everywhere! Trying to make this place "clean" is such a waste of time and such a troll reason to ban people! No wonder why so many people disliked your post! Thi game, I tell yah; it's virtual dictatorship and censorship to its finest!

I think I speak for everybody when I post this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj26rVWK14 This is not only the worst attempt in getting more cash, but the worst attempt in getting people hyped about it. Biggest fail so far. EDIT: Also, lmao I made Semyon's post on this update have 69 dislikes xD

Each weapon has their mechanic and each are balanced in a way so that all of them appeal to the... Nah, I'm just kidding, one of those are definitely stronger than the other two due to devs trying to use imbalance in weapons, hulls and probably even paints to get more of that chaching. Which one though, I'm not too sure, but from what I suspect it's Smokey; it's used way less than Thunder and Railgun. But then again, I only have Smoky M2 on my main acc with some micros, which basically make it a low M3 powered weapon in a sense, since its M2 is one rank before you can access the first M3 stuff.

Something that should have been implemented since the first release of the missions, is only being implemented after it's been 2 - 3 weeks in action. That's +1 sin on the Daily Mission Update sin counter!

How pathetic from you! That guy wrote a whole bunch of points disproving what you said and all you said in return is some hacking and sabotague?! What?! You didn't even bother to address his points one by one! You think you're right just because you have a whole bunch of players backing you up on what you have to say?! You, dear player, are pathetic!

You probably won't get anywhere in life like that if you don't go into deep consideration of what another person has to say. Forums are for debates and not flme wars where one ignores the other just because they think they're right. This is how debates function, through direct democracy. If that's not what you prefer doing then what are you even doing on this forum?

Critical analysis of this update: I was sort of expecting this to come. This is probably the second worst update the game has ever received, first one being the Economic's change. In all honesty, what developers said about the daily missions is a lie. The high rewards for the easy missions barely affect the gameplay in any way. What does get affected, on the other hand, are the profits of the Alternativa Platform company. Only a few people these days still playing the game actually speculate and connect the dots of what the developers do and why, most players simply run with it or try to find some sort of justification for developers making bad updates. The same is shown here; people don't like the high decrease in rewards of the missions, however still agree that to some extent the rewards should be decreased. Lets speculate how the daily rewards, as to say, have moved from what they were to what they are now: First each player got daily bonuses. This might have given an even bigger amount of crystals to players buying crystals, as they could also store up some more supplies and crystals for more gear and better gameplay. However, considering that the amount of your supplies doesn't matter too much as you could have two players, one having a hundred of each supply and another with a thousand of each supplie and each would still be able to beat each other in a match, depending on their garage item upgrades, of course. The daily gifts were something that instead of propping up buyers even more, propped up non-buyers, so a player could collect supplies and only after a week play the game to be ready for difficult battles. The fact of the matter though is that developers of the game are looking to get more profit from the game's customers, in other words; us. They look into each aspect of the game to see how that could be more profitable to them - this can be shown through multiple updates and on how they impacted the game: * Rebalance - though it was a nice feature to have all weapon atrengths equal as fully upgraded, this was jot done until the micro upgrades came in. This isn't though, what led the developers in getting more profit. What did led to more profit for them is that the whole garage became about x3 expensive. Had decent upgrades for weapons and hulls and good paints before rebalance? Well, now you're stuck with just one or two of each, regardless of your previous efforts. * Economic's change - so far the most hated update in this game. The developers said, before the update's release that the point of it was to make it fairer in terms of funds, by letting the people lower in the score boards of battles get more crystals. However, what this turned out to be is an update aimed for more profit; the update reduced fund by half, which the developers only admitted to have done after they moved it up to 80% but not due to any sense of regret, but due to fear of more people leaving the game as a result of the game's fund hit, meaning that there would be less people purchasing crystals. Now, people loved it when the fund got increased after that, but what many players did not take into account is that the overall fund had been decreased by 20% long term. Is that something to celebrate? Or something to look back to and see the utmost corruption this company is making? * From No-Supply battles to the so called "Pro" battles - No supply battles were the type of battles where instead of depending on supplies and having the risk of other players using supplies, you would simply depend on your gear and you skill, and if the people who make such battles decide to let boxes drop, then you could depend on that as a type of luck. The normal battles and no-supply battles as we knew it were pretty much self explanatory and made sense as well as held balance. But, as you might now see, developers like to put their money grabbing nose into every corner of the game, so they snuk into the no-supply mode as well; after the normal battles had lost their ability to let players use all their supplies at once, the so called "pro" battles replaced no-supply battles. Why were they renamed? Because the new mode had nothing to do with not using supplies, but quite the opposite; nkt only do you pay for entering such battles, but you also, in some cases are able to use supplies all at once, meaning that you might as well be wasting crystals on both entering the battle and the supplies you use in that battle. Does that sound like what a pro would do? No, more like something that a regular buyer would do, hence hkw this change was a way of increasing profits for the developers. * Balancing of hulls and weapons - developers have said that they will never reach a point where the game is fully balanced in terms of hulls and weapons. They also mentioned that they will do their best to balance the game even more and more. The firat statement is true, however the second is an outright lie; the drastic changes of parameters of hulls and weapons have never been for the sake of balancing in order to make it better and therefore fairer for the players, but instead another way to gain profit. How? The buffing of hulls and weapons have been seen mainly in the least popular ones and drastic nerfs in the most popular ones. You might think that this might encourage more players to try out new varieties of weapons and hulls, however, let me explain how the aim is not that but rather profit. Say you use a very popular weapon, say freeze (freeze was quite popular in the early days of rebalance). You're happy with using your weapon most or half the time as it works well for you. What the developers then do is nerf that weapon almost to a point that it feels like it has a one big upgrade lower effectiveness than of the upgrade it is currently at. Then what they do is buff one of the most unpopular weapons like the Firebird (which was quite unpopular during the early stages after Rebalance update) and since you and many others do not have that weapon, you ought to be willing to buy it (they might even put a huge sale on it), but as we know most players cannot afford to buy more and more weapons and hulls and upgrade them to high parameters without buying crystals, so what are you, as to say blackmailed to do? To buy more crystals, increasing the profits of developers. * Daily Missions - now we come to this update. I mentioned earlierthat the rewards of daily gifts beneffit the non-buyers. It may not seem so to many, but for developers in terms of profit, it is a problem. The missions would stop the people who enter the game daily and only play it like once a week or so from getting goods to prep for their up coming battles. However, the missions instead made people play a little longer to receive higher rewards than before, meaning they could enter the game, complete the missions and wait till the next day, getting a decent amount of gear to get new upgrades and such. So, it would be expected that developers would reduce the rewards, and similarly to Economic's change, it was reduced by 50%. This means that you'll need to put some more effort into getting, basically the same amount you got before missions were implemented through daily gifts, or on the other hand will put you in a state where you can't bare with the low amount of rewards you get from funds and missions for effort that takes quite a while and forces you into buying crystals, increasing profits of the company. So overall, how the updates of this game function are that the developers put in an update which in theory might benefit them, and if that does not work, they change their approach and make up excuses, supposedly justified to not make the players too dissatisfied with the change of that update and if it then does not work, then they lobby; lobby the players by making another change, which will keep the players moderately satisfied if they don't speculate too much and let the developers get away with getting slightly more profit for their own interrests. Or, another approach would be to straight up make a drastic change bad for the players for the sake of proffiting, not mention of it and hoping that the players won't notice what they've done but if they do, then again, they lobby and get away with their sins. This game isn't simply a game anymore, it is a production line, where the developers are the exploters and the players are the exploited. Don't think that I am making up fantasies, because if you look at almost any company these days, their ultimate aim is higher profit, as that is the system of capitalism we live in. If the daily missions giving x3 reward that of daily gifts before really affected the economy of the game so badly, we wouldn't be seeing developers going to all these fancy game conventions, having them set up esports or have all the luxuries they have in the company, but most importantly; they wouldn't hide it all from us, nor the luxuries nor the math behind many of the drastic updates. If they truly cared, I wouldn't even be writing this!

Then why isn't it a thing that's separate? Smaller ranks who have the task of getting crystals and score normally would then have to now work extra to get the same amount as before for free. Completing one mission might give you more than before when you did nothing, but the fact still lies that you have to play in order to get something. I, for instance took the adantage of getting daily gifts to play the game and get some more upgrades done and play the game for the sake of FUN not for the sake of some stupid mission that tells me what I have to do to gain some goods. The only reason why I see you want the missions in place is BECAUSE it gives you more at the end of the day than what you got from daily gifts, even though the fact still lies that effort must be put in to gain something, which means that if you're completely broke, there's no way out for you other than to buy crystals and get some stuff. You people are literally burying yourselves because of developers' lobbying without even realizing it and I hate that kind of stupidity, because if that continues in every aspect of our lives, then we're all literally screwed.

What?! Why?! Why would anyone want daily missions instead of daily gifts? Somebody, please explain, why so many people voted for it. It doesn't make any sense! Why would people like to get something harder than getting the same amount easier?! Where's the logic behind that?!

Sorry, I'm confused as to what this is all about. I read what was in the first post, however, I'm still in the dark about what's the whole idea and point behind this... So, what exactly are you lot gonna do?

Make jokes that aren't actually funny and are very vague: Is a good thing Make jokes that are against the rules, but are hilarious if you're not too sensitive: Is a bad thing Alternativa Platform is a killjoy! How about they grow a pair, ei? People gotta know how the world is really like and not throw some bull in just because it's more "appropriate". Before you know it, the word "*****" will be... Oh, it already is an "unacceptable" word on this forum :/ that's lame... Pfft, that's some pure propaganda bull right there! ;)

Ok, lets get to debunking, shall we... I'm sorry to say this, but truth hurts; they do make unpopular stuff OP intentionally to make you buy the OP stuff and nerf the most commonly used stuff so that you would... well, basically do the same thing. I feel like you don't understand how business works.

Nothing.

That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard. You're a bad freakin' arguer. Just because one weapon is more commonly used doesn't mean that another weapon must be ultra buffed. That's not balance, but rather a type of blackmail. And may be it's even a scam; a lot of people buy a certain type of weapon. Then, the developers are angry for people not buying crystals, so in order to get money, they buff certain weapons/hulls and nerf the weapons/hulls which are most commonly purchased and used by players. The players then have to get different weapons and hulls in order to play more successfully, but because they can't earn enough crystals, they have to buy them to spend on the buffed weapons and hulls so they aren't so weak in the game against some other players. Pure and utter scam, this is! This isn't to satisfy the players, but to earn more money. Good thing people are starting to understand this. The updates in this game are completely outrageous. Just wait a while and the game along with the company will collapse, as Alternativa Platform is so very reliant on this game of theirs in particular. And just for your enjoyment, my fellow players, I have takes print screens of what the devs tried to hide from you: 19th February 2015: 17th May 2015: The decrease is slow, but it's still decreasing by day. Btw, devs, don't try to erase this message like you did with a topic of mine once, leaving no trace and not giving any reason as to why you deleted it. I have this message saved.

Hmm, so how should we call an M2 that is the same level of M3, but is still an M2? M2.99? Wait... This means basically that you can get a whole big upgrade at the rank when you'd normally get a previous upgrade. But... this means that you can have everything M3 at the rank of Colonel! But then again we have M3.75 upgrades... or wait. Does this also mean that you can micro-upgrade M3s up to completely the strength of an M4? Someone tell me! Is M3.75 still the max, or do we now have crap at the strength of M4/M3.99?!

Has anybody else lost the ability to make new topics? That does make me quite annoyed, but I'm curious as to what's up with that. I can still post and my account isn't banned in the game to chat...