MMS is the final product of 20 moths of creating absolutely CRAP! Congratulations on wasted time and money. MMS is what makes the new TO real experience. Again, excellent waste of resources. You claim that all upgrades for the past two years revolve around MMS, I say this is a pile of that stinks to high heavens. MMS is most definitely a game changing "upgrade" to TO. Now that the game is finally what the TO wants it to be, it is time to start planning the funeral. MMS does not solve issues, it tries to go around them but fails miserably. The best improvement that you can make to MMS is to bury it somewhere deep in to the earth next to the used uranium pellets from the nuclear reactors. And whoever made the decision to force this upon us can be buried right next door. I could not have succeeded killing TO as bad as you did no matter how hard I tried. If it takes 20 months to create a pile, it is still no matter how much you try to polish it. It still stinks.

This is getting tiring and frustrating. We have been complaining about different flaws and shortcomings of the missMM for over a week now. What has changed? Not much. It is still a pile of TURD as someone above so well put it. It stinks to high heavens and I am not getting used to the sight or the smell. There are players who like MM. That is perfectly allright. But just because you like it does not mean that we have to like it too. Some of us really hate the loss of control and sociality of the game play. We do not want some flawed algorithm to decide how we play, we want to have the control to ourselves. Yes, i did sometimes spend a lot of time to find a battle that suits me, but I was doing something during that time. Excercising my will to choose my battles. And when I found a good battle, I played it for several times even when some players changed. Made friends, had battle chats etc. Not anymore. TO has become an arcade with too long wait times. So, looking for your friends in battles is no longer required, I predict that the friends list will be removed as a feature since it no longer serves any purpose. We are here not to make friends, we are here to put more money to pockets of the owners of TO. So I urge anyone that does not like what the devs and the managers have done to TO to vote with your wallets and stop paying for this game. They have lost our trust by their actions and now it is time to pay the price.

So, yet another dream for druggers and specially buyer-druggers. Overdrive already is upsetting the gaming immensly and instead of fixing or removing that, the devs introduce another drug-related "improvement"? You got to be out of your minds! TO is again taking a huge step towards P2W game. I am going through withdrawal but eventually it will pass.

Viking4s, please correct me if I'm wrong on this: the matchmaking system was introduced because of the mobile version of this game. Mobile players most likely expect a quick action battles with short wait times etc. Like an arcade mode of TO. Nothing wrong with that. Except why all of us need to suffer because you introduce another way of playing? While bowing to one direction, you unintentionally, or worse yet, intentionally show your chockolate starfish to the other direction, this time to computer players. There have been mentioned so many things that are just plain wrong or downright ty in MM that I lost count. Like I said before, the technical side of MM will be made better over time, but it does not take away the fact that MM is just so wrong. You have shown before that you do not give a towards our opinion, so why start now? You say that this upgrade is good for the game and for sake it will be so no matter how many of us tell you the exact opposite. You act as dictators who's power over us is like god-given. We mean nothing to you, expect when we shovel money to you. (Kind of nice to swear on the posts, this way the mods have to read the posts! And no, I will not stop swearing even if you every time ask me very politely to do so. I know there are minors here, but believe me, they know so much harsher language that what I am using here that they could give us lessons in swearing.)

So what happens with legacy protection modules that have protection for four different turrets? I did pay money for the crystals to be able to afford the paint back in the day when paints and protection were bundled up.

There is over 300 pages about the matchmaking system on EN and RU forums, at least 80 % of the posts have something negative to say about MM in EN. Since I do not speak russian, I cannot make any claims for RU forum, but what I have read on the thread about MM, the comments there are a lot worse. So, how'bout making the MM optional?

Good analysis and insight. I may have to turn my keyboard from hate to strong dislike and continue the discussion. Here's my two pennies woth of opinions: 1. Make MM optional. There was the Battle -button already. I have no idea how much this was used, but I did not use it at all. Maybe I should've given it a go but I didn't. Incorporate MM with Battle -button and maybe add a small incentive to the users. Leave us the freedom of finding our own battles if we want to. This way, if we enter a crappy game, it's our own fault. I am not against matchmaking as such (I may have sounded like that previously, my bad), but what I am against is forcing it on us. Sometimes it's good to enter a completely random game to see how I do and maybe I might learn something, make new friends etc. 2. The social aspect of TO. This has been a very big thing among players. By forcing MM to all, this aspect of the game is ruined almost completely. The group -function does not cover the loss, since it is very limited compared to friends list. Again, making MM optional, you brign back one very big lure of TO. I enjoyed looking for friends in the battles and surprising them by either joining their side or the opposite side. Also sometimes answered to the call of friends to battles. Again, fun. The fun part of TO has suffered a mortal blow by enforcing MM to everyone. 3. The bugs, lags etc. of MM will eventually be ironed out, I have no doubt about that. Creating MM for TO must not have been an easy task and when the system finally works, it will be ok. But this is just the technical side of TO. What MM does to the overall experience of TO is something completely different. Predicting human behavior is difficult at best, but there are some basics. One thing that really stands out in this upgrade is that it very much limits the freedom of players to choose how, what and with whom they play. You do not have to be a genius to have some sort of idea what this could do to the community of players. 4. The direction this forced MM introduced is taking TO is towards faster gameplay at the expense of the social aspect. MM with shortened battles is taking a lot of the fun-factor of TO. This is especially true since MM now quite often throws players to games with not much time left on the clock. Also the feature that you cannot continue the battle that just ended removes the social aspect and takes the game again towards an arcade-type, quick action game that might be fun for a short time but does not give room to long-term enjoyment and development.

So, it looks like this thread has actually turned from criticizing matchmaking system to criticizing they way TO is developed. Well, it's about time I say. The arrogance of the devs and whoever is in the chain of either demanding or implementing these changes over the period of two years is blatantly obvious to anyone beyond the brain capacity of a snail. I do not know if this is a cultural thing, individual personality thing or just plain stupidity, but something needs to happen. Like it has been said somewhere earlier, TO exists because of the players and their money. No players, no money, no jobs. Eventually that will dawn to someone in the TO management, but it looks like they are already a year or two late. Unless, there is a hidden agenda behind all this to slowly kill TO and eventually shut it down completely, but why take such a long and difficult route. Just call it quits and shut down the servers. It is as easy as that. Any enterprise has one primary function and that is to make money. If a company does not make enough money to justify its existence, it will go bankrubt. Simple economics. TO has income from a few sources, one of them is us, the players. Some of us pay money to TO, I have done that on occasion for two reasons: 1. to enhance my garage and 2. out of respect for the employees to TO. Back in the day you did a good job with the game and I wanted to put in my two cents. Now, the respect is gone because of your actions. I stated above to start boycotting TO and I urge others to join in. Together we stand and it could well be that together we fall. From now on, I will not spend a dime on TO and will not allow my kids to do that either (since I will pay for them anyway). Also I state that I will not play TO, but will spend my time here on the forum spreading the message. It would not surprise me if I will be banned or even my account removed because of this, but frankly I do not care anymore. I am feeling angry, pissed of, really mad and even betrayed and i have no more symphaty towards the mods, devs, community managers etc. You dug your own hole, now it is time to jump into it.

Well put. It is time to vote with our wallets and stop paying TO a dime. I call for a total payment boycott on TO until they remove this crappy downgrade.

So, there it is. No matter how much we complain and criticise, this upgrade (like so many predecessors) will not go away. I thank you for your honesty. This is a sad day for me, it is the end of my TO career. You have seriously messed up this game and the devs or you mods do not have the backbone to say that this was a failure. You insist that this is a good thing, where in reality of us players this is just a huge pile of cow dung. I repeat myself again: you mods and especially the devs show such arrogant attitude towards players that it is just unbelievable. Demons, begone.

Now that I am not actively playing anymore, I have time to hang here and complain about bad updates, rebalances etc. The fact is that I care about TO, since I have been playing it a long time, but I hate how the devs are ruining what made TO stand out from the mass of on-line games. The variety of gameplay, difference in tactics with maps, hulls, weapons etc. The variety once offered has been sacrificed on the great altar of "game balance". In other words, removing variables or limiting them the devs just make life easier for them. Soon we'll have just one map and hulls that look different but share the stats.

Remove Magnum from the turret list, it has ruined TO.

This is it. I am done. The recent downgrades are just a bunch of hurdles. I have no idea what you have been smoking, but this is the cherry on the cake. Go blow a nuke or something useful, but leave TO alone from your "great upgrades". You ruined this game utterly and completely, makes me wonder if you really want to keep your jobs or are you all just waiting for the company to go bankrubt. This sh!t you keep shoveling down our throats seems like you are willingly letting this game go down the drain. Well, let me congratulate you, you are hugely succesfull in this.

There is a load of criticism in this chain, some constructive, some not. Some downright ugly. I've read through this chain and I have to say that most comments on this chain can be put into a few categories. Get rid of MM completely or make it optional. This is the biggest complain. Together with this, there is the loss of freedom and choise. Problems with MM. Imbalanced teams, long wait times to enter battles, all kinds of bugs related to MM. Social aspect of TO. MM just destroys this. Even with the group function, is is but a shadow of the former TO community. This goes hand-in-hand with point 1. Players declaring they will leave TO if MM is not removed or made optional. Some of it its just plain frustration but most of them will leave eventually. Should wake the devs and management up. So, there is a ton on criticism towards this change in TO if you just go through the messages. Yes, you mods need to keep a cool head, but then again, you are on the side of TO and I am not expecting any negative criticism on your part to any changes to TO. Keeping a cool head does not mean that you cannot have an opinion on things though. You say you weight pros and cons, but so far the lists I have seen are not addressing the complaints raised here. Social and community aspects have not been shown to be weighted at all and this is a HUGE MISTAKE! Several other aspects raised in this thread have also not shown up on any lists. One big one is the freedom of choices with the old TO. By removing the freedom, the devs raise themselves way above the players and claim they know better what we want and need. This is plain ignorance, arrogance and I-don't-give-a-horses-fart kind of thinking. Not that his is the first time. By the things changed in the past two years and by the rate players are leaving, I think there is some kind of panic in the management of TO and that has brought a number of very stupid changes that are thougth to attract new players or keep existing ones but have failed miserably. I have been paying for a few accounts (me and my kids), but during the past year and a half mainly because all the downgrades that have been introduced, we have not spend a dime. For my part, I have to say that I now spend a lot less time with TO than one or two years ago and that is solely because of the constant changes for the worse. I sincerely hope that you can get the amount of players up and TO alive, because it has been an interesting and fun game. Emphasis on the past tense.

So far, 84 pages of comments on this topic in less than two days and majority is negative. Must be some kind of record! Should start ringing some bells on the heads of the devs or their managers that maybe, just maybe this was a mistake.