Opinions on the rebalance.

[Tommy60 406]

Though I do in fact understand why, I still wish that the prices would not have been changed. I mean, what if someone had spent actual money to get 18000 crystals to get Ricochet M3. They gave Tanki the money, expecting the exact characteristics of the gun to remain the same permanently. By changing the gun's properties entirely, and not giving people their real money back, you have swapped the product that your clients not only desired, but actually PURCHASED. It's like buying a new iPad from Apple, then having them go in and change it to a tiny iPod shuffle, without a refund of the money you spent.

I would almost say that what this rebalance has done is illegal, but I'm sure the project's attorneys have that part covered somewhere within the depths of the 'terms of agreement' form that all players have agreed to in order to play the game in the first place.

 

Low blow, Devs.

[Dihos 2]

Tommy60 is correct. That was what I was trying to say in my 3rd reason. How would YOU feel if you spent 18k on M3 Ricochet before the rebalance and then you go back and you can't even afford M3 Ricochet. You just wasted over $100.

[ronen93 46]

..., but I'm sure the project's attorneys have that part covered somewhere within the depths of the 'terms of agreement' form that all players have agreed to in order to play the game in the first place.

 

Low blow, Devs.

It's called EULA agreement, that every player missed reading before registering their accounts.

 

Tommy60 is correct. That was what I was trying to say in my 3rd reason. How would YOU feel if you spent 18k on M3 Ricochet before the rebalance and then you go back and you can't even afford M3 Ricochet. You just wasted over $100.

Actually rebalance M2 Ricochet = pre-rebalance M3. But why are you still whining and complaining here on this forum still then? Are you still playing in a battle?

[GoldRock 6,165]

So you're saying you like the rebalance? WELL, I HATE IT.

 

Reasons:

 

1) Low ranks (ex: Staff Sergeant) now have access to Tier 2 weapons like Shaft, Thunder, and Freeze. Those weapons are available in the first few ranks in the game. So you're basically handing off those weapons to a novice who is new to TANKI. What ever happened to Tier 1 and Tier 2? There is none now, because of this rebalance. It would actually make SENSE to start off with Smoky rather than Thunder, right? Smoky is Tier 1 and Thunder is Tier 2. And Firebird is Tier 1 and Freeze is Tier 2. And so on and so forth.

 

2) Tankionline didn't fix the lag. INSTEAD, they did this rebalance. The lag in Tankionline has been going on for many MONTHS, and the homepage still says "Temporary server lags"? So it has been going on for months now and they call it "temporary"? We need to actually be able to play the GAME, not having each minute of battle have "spinning tanks". And it is not our fault, because our internet is perfectly fine.

 

3) The prices of the turrets, hulls, and paints went up. Sure, you got a refund for all the stuff you bought before the rebalance, but is it enough to buy some stuff? Say you spent 15k worth of stuff before the rebalance. Now you get back 15k. And you look at the prices of the turrets and hulls. You want to buy this specific turret, hull or paint. It costs a lot. You can only get it to M1. And you look at the paints. You can only afford a paint with only one protection. And now you're out of crystals. "Very fun, right?"

 

That's it for my reasons I hate the rebalance. I hope you don't say tl;dr and actually READ IT. Good luck.

Counter-argument:

 

1) It doesn't matter that lower ranks have access to 'Tier 2' weapons:

- There are no tiers anymore. In theory, the weapons are balanced (in practice, it depends on the map and the player).

- Even then, it places more emphasis on skill. At the start of the game, smoky and twins got pwned by people with railguns, no matter how skilled you were... until you ranked up high enough. At my stage before the rebalance, players of my rank were pwned by shafts (again, skill didn't matter). Now, if most people have access to at least all of the M0 guns (and the guns are more fairly balanced), it will make players have to use tactics and skill to overcome others.

 

2) "Perhaps the most common type of lag is caused by network performance problems. Losses, corruption or jitter" says Wikipedia. So it isn't usually the fault of the servers! There are things you can do to your PC to reduce lag. Do them, or accept your PC is terrible. Because lag isn't much of a problem (although I accept it does exist, and should be sorted) with a decent PC.

 

3) Stuff has been improved to match the new prices. The paints have been improved. M3 guns do a lot more damage. Basically, increasing the price and the effectiveness of items makes the game a bit more competitive for higher ranks.

[Dihos 2]

The lag is not our problem. It is on Tankionline's end. A LOT of people have complained about lag for the past months. How is our connection bad? Our ping is very low. It's just that Perm, Russia (Tankionline's HQ) is having a lot of problems and we get high ping when we connect there. This forum has been at times loading fast and loading slow. Other websites I go on load fast. Heck, even MadDog21 and MonkeyMagic complained about the lag and that is is on Tanki's end.

 

I have been here for 2 years, but the reason I have been a low rank was because my other account got hacked. I could not save it. I have had more experience in this game than you Warrant Officers. I've been here in the old graphics Tanki and New Graphics. Old Tanki was a more enjoyable game. The gold box at fund 700... all those memories... all gone.

 

~Dihos

[magmamaster10 1]

The rebalance, while being good itself, can cause people to make BIG mistakes. For example, some people don't know whats a test server, and they remember the previous awesomeness of thunder, shaft, etc, and buy everything. Then, when they play, BOOM, they're instantly blown.

[GoldRock 6,165]

The lag is not our problem. It is on Tankionline's end. A LOT of people have complained about lag for the past months. How is our connection bad? Our ping is very low. It's just that Perm, Russia (Tankionline's HQ) is having a lot of problems and we get high ping when we connect there. This forum has been at times loading fast and loading slow. Other websites I go on load fast. Heck, even MadDog21 and MonkeyMagic complained about the lag and that is is on Tanki's end.

 

I have been here for 2 years, but the reason I have been a low rank was because my other account got hacked. I could not save it. I have had more experience in this game than you Warrant Officers. I've been here in the old graphics Tanki and New Graphics. Old Tanki was a more enjoyable game. The gold box at fund 700... all those memories... all gone.

 

~Dihos

Woah, I've been playing for over 2 years, thanks very much. I just don't have the time to rank up (I'm more of an on-and-off player). So I have those memories, too. I do agree that lag is a problem, and concete defeat on that point (I was simply trying to see if I could argue from a different opinion, as I in fact believe that the servers have considerable problems with lag), however that doesn't decrease the validity of the rebalance. Actually, come to think about it, there wasn't this problem with lag before; it only really took place when they introduced the shadow effect and the other early graphic changes.

Remember Massacre? They ruined it by moving the flags... Ah, the good old days :) I'm glad that they've brought Combe back to the lower ranks now :P

[Snyper22 15]

I think what everyone has missed, is the monumental basic flaw in math that has occured here...

Lets review:

1. We get our crystals back according to what we spent on hulls, weapons, and paint according to the "old" prices.

2. They then change everything and make the prices way beyond what they were to where we cannot even buy back what we had.

I didn't spend alot of money on this game, (and I am certainly happy about that now) but I know some of you did, I would be much more unhappy if I had...

Yes, it is their game and they can do what they want, also, it is my choice to play or not to play, at this point and time because of the injustice that I feel they have committed for the sole purpose of money, I choose to NOT play.

GL to all of you, and remember, someone can only do to you what you let them do...

 

Peace...

[thomasmeise 0]

i want a new rebalance with the old prices now i lost my m3 railgun and m2 hornet

[Notchfan 616]

Counter-argument:

 

1) It doesn't matter that lower ranks have access to 'Tier 2' weapons:

- There are no tiers anymore. In theory, the weapons are balanced (in practice, it depends on the map and the player).

- Even then, it places more emphasis on skill. At the start of the game, smoky and twins got pwned by people with railguns, no matter how skilled you were... until you ranked up high enough. At my stage before the rebalance, players of my rank were pwned by shafts (again, skill didn't matter). Now, if most people have access to at least all of the M0 guns (and the guns are more fairly balanced), it will make players have to use tactics and skill to overcome others.

 

2) "Perhaps the most common type of lag is caused by network performance problems. Losses, corruption or jitter" says Wikipedia. So it isn't usually the fault of the servers! There are things you can do to your PC to reduce lag. Do them, or accept your PC is terrible. Because lag isn't much of a problem (although I accept it does exist, and should be sorted) with a decent PC.

 

3) Stuff has been improved to match the new prices. The paints have been improved. M3 guns do a lot more damage. Basically, increasing the price and the effectiveness of items makes the game a bit more competitive for higher ranks.

Lemme list:

1. Giving the whole M0 garage to junior players might please them temporarily. But once they realized the need to upgrade their equipments because players with M1 M2s are dominating them, they will be stunned by the huge price tag.
   
2. I have an alienware M14x i7 and 12G RAM, yet I'm still getting spinning tanks.
   
3. Improved? U kidding me? Just take a look at Shaft. They buffed both tanks and turrets(at a "improved" price :wacko: ), pretty much cancels each out.
   

[Notchfan 616]

The lag is not our problem. It is on Tankionline's end. A LOT of people have complained about lag for the past months. How is our connection bad? Our ping is very low. It's just that Perm, Russia (Tankionline's HQ) is having a lot of problems and we get high ping when we connect there. This forum has been at times loading fast and loading slow. Other websites I go on load fast. Heck, even MadDog21 and MonkeyMagic complained about the lag and that is is on Tanki's end.

 

I have been here for 2 years, but the reason I have been a low rank was because my other account got hacked. I could not save it. I have had more experience in this game than you Warrant Officers. I've been here in the old graphics Tanki and New Graphics. Old Tanki was a more enjoyable game. The gold box at fund 700... all those memories... all gone.

 

~Dihos

I missed the old graphics as well, but I'm rather pleased with the new one(perhaps a toggle option?). But I agree, tanki before rebalance is much more fun.

[Notchfan 616]

Though I do in fact understand why, I still wish that the prices would not have been changed. I mean, what if someone had spent actual money to get 18000 crystals to get Ricochet M3. They gave Tanki the money, expecting the exact characteristics of the gun to remain the same permanently. By changing the gun's properties entirely, and not giving people their real money back, you have swapped the product that your clients not only desired, but actually PURCHASED. It's like buying a new iPad from Apple, then having them go in and change it to a tiny iPod shuffle, without a refund of the money you spent.

I would almost say that what this rebalance has done is illegal, but I'm sure the project's attorneys have that part covered somewhere within the depths of the 'terms of agreement' form that all players have agreed to in order to play the game in the first place.

 

Low blow, Devs.

I'm not buying my old stuff back even though I get DOUBLE CRYSTAL CARDS every day! :angry:

[Notchfan 616]

DUDE! IF YOU DON'T like the price of Tanki.......LEAVE, please LEAVE! Tanki staff put a WHOLE LOT of time into the game and away from their jobs and all YOU do is sit around complaining! You have no care! If you don't like the intelligence of the game......LEAVE! I BEG YOU TO LEAVE! We don't need complainers! You guys put NO reason with your comments! Deal with the changes and SHUT-UP!

Complaints are needed for tanki to progress.

Tell me how it stinks! Rebalance was needed for Tanki Online in order to progress! If you can't make an argument, you can't prove your point!

A game where its developers cannot tolerate any oppostions and criticisms will NEVER progress. What I don't like about rebalance is the way they've done it.

[Lieutenant_Me 65]

DUDE! IF YOU DON'T like the price of Tanki.......LEAVE, please LEAVE! Tanki staff put a WHOLE LOT of time into the game and away from their jobs and all YOU do is sit around complaining! You have no care! If you don't like the intelligence of the game......LEAVE! I BEG YOU TO LEAVE! We don't need complainers! You guys put NO reason with your comments! Deal with the changes and SHUT-UP!

 

wow... incredible rude/malapert comment from 13 years old noob

[r_by880 6]

They need to reduce the prices a bit, and accord them to the ACTUAL strength of the weapon. Make THUNDER the most expensive gun, not cheap-ass FIREBIRD.

[Tommy60 406]

It's called EULA agreement, that every player missed reading before registering their accounts.

 

 

Actually rebalance M2 Ricochet = pre-rebalance M3. But why are you still whining and complaining here on this forum still then? Are you still playing in a battle?

 

Just because the gun may have similar characteristics as it previously did, a large part of its identity is how effective it was against other tanks and weapons. Now, it is worse than twins, though it used to be far better.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

This is what I think of it at the moment, comment there if you disagree with anything, as I won't come here much.

[r_by880 6]

Someone should move this topic to General instead of Complaints. And sticky it.

[daboss123 0]

Reasons why I hate the Re-balance:

Isida is OP

Drugs are more effective than ever

People who are around the levels 1st Lt. - Colonel are basically the same and they, they can't get M3 guns

It gave the people who messed up their account another chance and destroyed good accounts that are below Colonel

Now people have to buy triple the crystals, so they have to buy exp to actually get good guns

People that aren't the highest level had/have to waste their crystals on exp to get a decent gun

The re-balance wasn't even needed

Almost all the paints have protection so there are barely any choices for clan paints

Some people can't play very much and will have a hard time leveling to get good guns

Drugs are even more OP than ever (Yes, I know I already said about drugs at the beginning)

 

But wait, is that all?

The time that you are frozen with freeze is way too long

Everybody says ricochet sucks but look closer:

It's damage sucks, but it still annoys the crap out of me (Just like twins)

It still bounces off walls

When you are getting hit by one you usually miss a shot if you are using Smoky/Thunder/Rail/Ricochet

And it's not even a bad gun if you know how to use it

[Dihos 2]

Reasons why I hate the Re-balance:

Isida is OP

Drugs are more effective than ever

People who are around the levels 1st Lt. - Colonel are basically the same and they, they can't get M3 guns

It gave the people who messed up their account another chance and destroyed good accounts that are below Colonel

Now people have to buy triple the crystals, so they have to buy exp to actually get good guns

People that aren't the highest level had/have to waste their crystals on exp to get a decent gun

The re-balance wasn't even needed

Almost all the paints have protection so there are barely any choices for clan paints

Some people can't play very much will have a hard time leveling to get good guns

Drugs are even more OP than ever (Yes, I know I already said about drugs at the beginning)

[Veni.Vidi.Vici-TR 2]

i love the new wasp with smoky/rail although i really wanna try firebird :( :D

[Tehotykki 0]

Though I do in fact understand why, I still wish that the prices would not have been changed. I mean, what if someone had spent actual money to get 18000 crystals to get Ricochet M3. They gave Tanki the money, expecting the exact characteristics of the gun to remain the same permanently. By changing the gun's properties entirely, and not giving people their real money back, you have swapped the product that your clients not only desired, but actually PURCHASED. It's like buying a new iPad from Apple, then having them go in and change it to a tiny iPod shuffle, without a refund of the money you spent.

I would almost say that what this rebalance has done is illegal, but I'm sure the project's attorneys have that part covered somewhere within the depths of the 'terms of agreement' form that all players have agreed to in order to play the game in the first place.

 

Low blow, Devs.

 

Very well said.

[RedSlayer_A1 0]

The way the rebalance is configured so far is going to ruin the game. 1 million points for m3 is way to much the rebalance is a good idea but they are taking it to far. With the way TankI treats its paying customers and now the super year long grind to M3 guns and halls will be detrimental to the game.

 

But MrBurks - they'll be able to charge you lots and lots of money for crystals (if you want to do it quicker).

A lot of people have left this game because of this - now there are a lot of under-age kids having to pay a lot more money - perfect! (For TANKI).

And stop complaining, or you'll get banned (that's why you now only see nice things being said about rebalance - 'cos sheep and hackers don't get banned).

 

Red ;-)

[RedSlayer_A1 0]

Very well said.

 

It's illegal when it's played in Europe, but it's based in lawless Russia - all that Europe can do is ban it (unless TANKI abide by European laws - when it's played in Europe).

Whilst Europeans continue to play - TANKI will continue to ignore European laws - simple.

 

Red ;-)

[Dihos 2]

Why even pay for this game. It's just the same gameplay all over again. Its like with Call of Duty (I don't play Call of Duty) same thing every year, and you're gonna get ripped off. When I say a game is good I mean it. But when I say a game is bad, I mean it too. Tankionline is bad.