Release 114 - Rebalance!

[ferdyg 4]

And where it is now, when you can just buy everything from the first minute? And what was the point of the new three ranks, when half the people already gained them by purchasing? Like byteme2, liltle above, who's profile says he joined just today. I wont even try to express how much this looks like a pro-rebalance trolling. And Notchfan said it well enough - experience is called experience for a reason. Just like with love people, when you pay for it, its called prostitution, not romance. No matter how hard you try to explain that it is a good thing really.

 

byteme2 Member Since 19 Dec 2012 02:56

OfflineLast Active 19 Dec 2012 03:14

byteme2 Rank Badge = Generalissmo = 1,400,000 XP. Level up would need 140,000 crystals.WOW

 

Am I right or wrong, or is it a Tanki glitch?

 

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Edited December 19, 2012 by ferdyg

[amsterdamn 242]

The loss of favourite Tank/Gun combos, often obtained over many months playing etc., is not the only unacceptable result of the Rebalance.

 

Log in - click on CREATE to see if your favourite map is now for higher ranks only.

 

Silence 2 now requires 233,000 xp, LEVEL UP for up to £44 with DCC

 

Berlin now requires a L.GENERAL rank, 787,000 xp, LEVEL UP for up to £160 with DCC.

 

Created a Dusseldorf CTF map at the weekend, in 5 minutes it was full with 20 players. Again, up to £44

 

Am I right or wrong? ( Above based on £4 approx = 2000 crystals DCC = 20,000 xp)

 

Tanks gone, Guns gone, Maps gone - ???? Gone, I'm gone.

Hello Tankmen, it goes without saying that such major changes in the game will come with a lot of criticism especially if it involves an increase in the value of the game itself. As we have listed the disadvantages of this rebalance, I will take the time to list a few advantages and advice on the rebalance.

 

1. But to start, let me say that the rebalance was done so that the project had a future. Rebalance - is the foundation for making it possible to develop it, and without it, the project couldn't be developed at all. It is a necessity. "We don't want rebalance!" was heard but unfortunately does not work.

 

2. Buying experience - See the advantages. Have you ever felt like it was unbearably taking forever to rank up to the next rank with ~ 2000-3000 experience remaining? Now you can just top up with buying experience, might feel like you cheated in the first few days but all will soon get used it. The player wants to join a clan but can not meet the requirements in that particular clan. You can just top up with buying experience. Imagine two friends, played together and one ranks up such that they cant play together. You can just top up with buying experience. I can continue to list the advantages for a long time. This is absolutely not compulsory but an additional function in the game to make life easier.

 

3. Please note that rebalancing is not yet 100% complete as one or two things still need to be adjusted, take "twins" for example, the game designers are looking at it as I write. One thing is for sure "Rebalance is here to stay".

 

4. Each gun is compared with others taking its post-rebalance special abilities into consideration. The higher the abilities the higher the price. DO NOT compare the current M3s with the old one you had in your garage pre-rebalance, they are inferior compared to them. Allow me to explain why! The rebalance will allow the introduction of micro-upgrades where by one can upgrade a certain characteristic of a hull, add new abilities, personalize it and be totally unique from others.

 

5. Refering to the old balance.Just forget that it was. Price of every gun corresponds with the new balance. It would have been easier to introduce M4s to be sold at higher prices if the motive was to generate income from our rebalance. But that was not the case as this was the "REBALANCE"!

 

6. It will be harder to win with all other things being equal, and as a word of advice: "There is absolutely no need you go into the battle with high ranks."

 

7. Players always give reference to the old balance (the M3s and paints they had), which you say, we need to consider. But imagine, we were running a 100m race before the rebalance, now we are running a 100km race and everyone still has the same positions, so lets not compare the two as they are totally different. Food for thought: There are higher dynamics in the game now. Those pre-rebalance M3s are probably M2s in post-rebalance, you cannot expect to re-buy M3s as they are not the same.

 

8. A skilled player on an M1 can kill a inexperienced generalissimo with an M3. This has been tried and tested. Testers have gone through all sorts of combinations.

 

9. To see the rebalance with the right eyes is to imagine you were seeing this game for the first time. Don't rush into buying the guns and hulls you had before thinking they will be the same. In fact, don't buy anything you are not sure you will need. You probably don't need to own all the different guns.

 

10. To the paying customers, I know, change is always as scary as the first day at school. Lets just give it time, play for free if you are not sure and get used to the logic behind the post-rebalance before you start buying unwisely.

 

Finally some sort of an answer - thank you for that. Still, your answer misses crucial points, very crucial...I am not a buyer, but all crystals are earned through figting or driving them. Your re-balance costed me in value the amount of 23.000 crystals. That is, thunder M3 is much more exensive than it was before, so I had to invest more crystals to get back my former tank. This costed me 23.000 crystals. I want the value of my 23.000 crystals back. And I am quite sure many real players - not buyers - feel the same. It is a rippoff. On top of that, comparing thunder 3 before and after the rebalance: it does not make much difference. What DOES make a difference, that even as an exerienced marshal, in olychoon, your rebalance has made it virtually impossible to kill higher ranks, in mamoth 3 with thunder 3 or twins 3. This has serious disaffects in all battles: the higher ranks with the better equiment win the most crystals, creating still further imbalance. No, it is ruining tyhe game and the fun.

[RikyGold 0]

Finally some sort of an answer - thank you for that. Still, your answer misses crucial points, very crucial...I am not a buyer, but all crystals are earned through figting or driving them. Your re-balance costed me in value the amount of 23.000 crystals. That is, thunder M3 is much more exensive than it was before, so I had to invest more crystals to get back my former tank. This costed me 23.000 crystals. I want the value of my 23.000 crystals back. And I am quite sure many real players - not buyers - feel the same. It is a rippoff. On top of that, comparing thunder 3 before and after the rebalance: it does not make much difference. What DOES make a difference, that even as an exerienced marshal, in olychoon, your rebalance has made it virtually impossible to kill higher ranks, in mamoth 3 with thunder 3 or twins 3. This has serious disaffects in all battles: the higher ranks with the better equiment win the most crystals, creating still further imbalance. No, it is ruining tyhe game and the fun.

 

right!!!

[r_redbadger0 8]

Really you are killing you customer base. You stole levels that were already fought for with alot of time and money and now you expect your customer to swallow hard and give up that because you said so. then you are not that smart of businessmen.

i understand you are trying to prepare for the future but i honestly think you have approached it incorrectly. believe me i know because i have been in computer software for over 35 years, you guys have made a big mistake taking away what your customers already have.

you can fix it buy giving your loyal customers back their m3 guns and tanks. at least ask them what gun and tank they would like to be returned to them (that they alreasdy paid for).

sometimes comprise goes a long ways instead of just saying that is the way it is going to be and tanki will not change their minds. that is very closed minded and destroy you customer base.

oh well - you can listen to me or suffer. alot players are already leaving or not going to spend any more real money with tanki (not good for business)

good luck - but it would be in your interest to change your stance of being stuborrd. good luck in the future (you will need it)

[artty77 177]

byteme2 Member Since 19 Dec 2012 02:56

OfflineLast Active 19 Dec 2012 03:14

byteme2 Rank Badge = Generalissmo = 1,400,000 XP. Level up would need 140,000 crystals.WOW

 

Am I right or wrong, or is it a Tanki glitch?

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Nope. No glitches in here. That is exactly what I've been trying to "explain" and been writing against in the past 2 posts I've submitted in this topic. This is Tanki after the re-balance. You join, and you achieve all. In a minute. Welcome to Tanki 2013. Anyways, I think I've expressed my opinion about the matter, so like it or not, that's what we have guys. Everyone to decided is it worth it to continue playing the way he did untill now, or not. Enjoy. And have happy and good holidays!

[r_Otto_I0 0]

OK, time to say something i guess...

 

Hello Tankmen, it goes without saying that such major changes in the game will come with a lot of criticism especially if it involves an increase in the value of the game itself. As we have listed the disadvantages of this rebalance, I will take the time to list a few advantages and advice on the rebalance.

Where did you list the disadvantages again or did you forget that somehow ;) ?

1. But to start, let me say that the rebalance was done so that the project had a future. Rebalance - is the foundation for making it possible to develop it, and without it, the project couldn't be developed at all. It is a necessity. "We don't want rebalance!" was heard but unfortunately does not work.

OK, undenieable you got a point here.

 

2. Buying experience - See the advantages. Have you ever felt like it was unbearably taking forever to rank up to the next rank with ~ 2000-3000 experience remaining? Now you can just top up with buying experience, might feel like you cheated in the first few days but all will soon get used it. The player wants to join a clan but can not meet the requirements in that particular clan. You can just top up with buying experience. Imagine two friends, played together and one ranks up such that they cant play together. You can just top up with buying experience. I can continue to list the advantages for a long time. This is absolutely not compulsory but an additional function in the game to make life easier.

Mostly you try to find a positive point here besides tanki gets money for nothing from players who pay what are they lazy to do...

BUT... I do have a good point about buying experience as you may need just the next rank for a weapon you want and cannot reach it before the current discount period ends... here I agree to buy experience is a good thing. Else it is money making.

3. Please note that rebalancing is not yet 100% complete as one or two things still need to be adjusted, take "twins" for example, the game designers are looking at it as I write. One thing is for sure "Rebalance is here to stay".

Careful what you buy people... things might just change a way you dont like then again!!!!

4. Each gun is compared with others taking its post-rebalance special abilities into consideration. The higher the abilities the higher the price. DO NOT compare the current M3s with the old one you had in your garage pre-rebalance, they are inferior compared to them. Allow me to explain why! The rebalance will allow the introduction of micro-upgrades where by one can upgrade a certain characteristic of a hull, add new abilities, personalize it and be totally unique from others.

5. Refering to the old balance.Just forget that it was. Price of every gun corresponds with the new balance. It would have been easier to introduce M4s to be sold at higher prices if the motive was to generate income from our rebalance. But that was not the case as this was the "REBALANCE"!

 

We get this told since the first mention of reblance... But it is just a try to rectify the new higher prices... Because when I had before the best possible version of a gun and the best possible hull... and now I cannot have it without paying at least 50% more... this is making things more expensive, nothing else.

The old M3 inferior to the new ones? Tell that the shaft fans who could kill any tank without paint but Mammoth m3 in 1 shot but now have to look for hornets and wasps for that. The arent superior because they have more power because they have to deal with stronger tanks, too. Ricochet used to have 18 shots till reload now it has 11... stronger now?...

 

 

6. It will be harder to win with all other things being equal, and as a word of advice: "There is absolutely no need you go into the battle with high ranks."

Why can a Generalissimo go into battle with a WO5 then at all if there is no need for that? Pre-Re-Balance the WO5 could play with M3 Dictator and M3 Rail with a Marshal and the same tank... impossible now! More balanced now right?

7. Players always give reference to the old balance (the M3s and paints they had), which you say, we need to consider. But imagine, we were running a 100m race before the rebalance, now we are running a 100km race and everyone still has the same positions, so lets not compare the two as they are totally different. Food for thought: There are higher dynamics in the game now. Those pre-rebalance M3s are probably M2s in post-rebalance, you cannot expect to re-buy M3s as they are not the same.

Can quote myself here cause this is the same as 5. and 6.

Sure it has become a much longer run as everybody needs longer to get the tank she/he wants...

You said earlier that all weapons are combative at the same modification now, right?

Hmmmmm so lets say I love smokey... I am a Major (1 red star with underline) so I can have Smokey m1 at this point to use with my loved wasp m1 and you say I can seriously compete with another Major who uses M3 Hornet (faster and stronger than my wasp m1) with M2 thunder that kills me in max 2 shots?

Well, no really but you want me to buy anything on my way from recruit to Generalissimo to be able to compete at any stage...

 

8. A skilled player on an M1 can kill a inexperienced generalissimo with an M3. This has been tried and tested. Testers have gone through all sorts of combinations.

Sure can kill but can beat? This is the same as he met a buying 2nd Lieutenant earlier with M3 and paint garage... of course "can kill" but seriously cant beat in a whole battle.

 

9. To see the rebalance with the right eyes is to imagine you were seeing this game for the first time. Don't rush into buying the guns and hulls you had before thinking they will be the same. In fact, don't buy anything you are not sure you will need. You probably don't need to own all the different guns.

 

10. To the paying customers, I know, change is always as scary as the first day at school. Lets just give it time, play for free if you are not sure and get used to the logic behind the post-rebalance before you start buying unwisely.

Finally some real advice ;)

 

Well so... call it Re-Balance as things were balanced new... but this has soo many flaws in it I hope I dont regret any buy I will do next sale.

Cheers, have a drink on me! :tank:

[r_redbadger0 8]

it is not the REBALANCE that is the problem, it is the way you have implemented it. you took away things that were already earned, so easy solution: put them back. you can stop the problems with this is 1 move.

i hope you understand what i am trying to accomplish, just compromise and stop the complaints.

[Panzer-151 2]

Finally some sort of an answer - thank you for that. Still, your answer misses crucial points, very crucial...I am not a buyer, but all crystals are earned through figting or driving them. Your re-balance costed me in value the amount of 23.000 crystals. That is, thunder M3 is much more exensive than it was before, so I had to invest more crystals to get back my former tank. This costed me 23.000 crystals. I want the value of my 23.000 crystals back. And I am quite sure many real players - not buyers - feel the same. It is a rippoff. On top of that, comparing thunder 3 before and after the rebalance: it does not make much difference. What DOES make a difference, that even as an exerienced marshal, in olychoon, your rebalance has made it virtually impossible to kill higher ranks, in mamoth 3 with thunder 3 or twins 3. This has serious disaffects in all battles: the higher ranks with the better equiment win the most crystals, creating still further imbalance. No, it is ruining tyhe game and the fun.

 

THIS IS NO ANSWER TO $$$ SPENT...... FING CROOKS.

[gguimastroi 0]

uou 8k de crystais só ? mas adorei agora to forte pa kr

l :D

[gguimastroi 0]

:tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank:

[Panzer-151 2]

Experiences are earned, not bought. How could inexperienced players become experienced by purchasing xps?

So Devs, better put a rank limit on it before loads of n00b marshals appears.

 

Other parts are decent.

Although I lost my M3 railgun and M3 dictator, I might just be able to cope with it with the sale.

 

In loving memory of my M3 railgun and M3 dictator:

 

R.I.P

sure just pay them and you can rank all day.... and two months from now rebalnce 2 will show up... and pay to rank again just to buy some M2 crap....

I under stand this game is really free... but if i spend money with it I SHOULD GET AND KEEP WHAT I PAY FOR .

[r_THE_PLANT0 0]

I think that its too easy to get the better guns now. Plus there are too many noobs that use power, nitro, and armor when they have something like a mamoth and freeze Witch leads to spawn camping and makes the game frustrating. I would want it like it was before, a little easier though ;). Other than that, the extra crystals were great!

[Panzer-151 2]

THIS IS NO ANSWER TO $$$ SPENT...... FING CROOKS.

BIg time missleading crooks....

[r_THE_PLANT0 0]

sure just pay them and you can rank all day.... and two months from now rebalnce 2 will show up... and pay to rank again just to buy some M2 crap....

I under stand this game is really free... but if i spend money with it I SHOULD GET AND KEEP WHAT I PAY FOR .

I know right...

[Panzer-151 2]

it is not the REBALANCE that is the problem, it is the way you have implemented it. you took away things that were already earned, so easy solution: put them back. you can stop the problems with this is 1 move.

i hope you understand what i am trying to accomplish, just compromise and stop the complaints.

already earned is right

[poptropicagame 0]

I want my crystals back!

[Panzer-151 2]

when my supplies (drugs) run out i am leaving... now i play just using drugs and giving the flags up to my team. when i could not buy all my M3 items back (the ones i paied for) I spent 30,0000 on suplies.

I have met some really cool playes here frome all around the world... the shame of theft will be with us all our lives in any part of the word.

[Bezerker 19]

when my supplies (drugs) run out i am leaving... now i play just using drugs and giving the flags up to my team. when i could not buy all my M3 items back (the ones i paied for) I spent 30,0000 on suplies.

I have met some really cool playes here frome all around the world... the shame of theft will be with us all our lives in any part of the word.

Ditto. The game and game play has been totally destroyed. I will never spend one more $ here. Never again spread the word about the game, never mention it to anyone, anywhere. A pretty dramatic shift from week to week. Who would know tanki would treat their customers like this?

Tanki customer is king. Remember it. I vote with my feet. You loose customers.

You could have improved the game play or ... well... why should I give you advice.

Bye. If I stayed here I would know, you could do this again to paying customers! You know the old saying, 'Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me? That means we would be insane to stay here and get more bad treatment.

Read up on this. You really, really, really need to get the point:

"Customer service is the provision of service to customers before, during and after a purchase"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_service

[sokrat111 1]

If only we could (everything is in Russian forum...) well translate, I'm sure that everything could be much clearer.

http://ru.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=169323&st=220

There is even a FAQ, and there were answered to all possible question. There are given, reasonable explanations

for all of these (presumably) very wisely taken calculated and measured changes (so called rebalance)

Unfortunatelly, it is a huge job (to translate all of that well...).

What a pity .. :(

I admit I'm also a little bitter and a little disappointed about "rebalance",

but when you read all the explanations, it becomes a bit more logical and acceptable..

[r_almighty010 872]

You are probably looking for this http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=164139&hl=

[rafamaton 0]

no like the requilibrio is no good im espeak espanish -.....-

[sokrat111 1]

You are probably looking for this http://en.tankiforum...opic=164139&hl=

Unfortunatelly, It is a drop in the ocean. As I said, it's a simply huge job...

http://ru.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=169323&st=0

[lieutenent_man 0]

I had a rap and this is how it went "tanki online is the place to be of you don't play every day I will blow you up" now it's like this "tanki online is'int the place to be if you play every day I will blow you up"

[mistycesium 0]

Tanki sold me somethings decided they where of more value than what they sold them to me for and took them back . And now want to charge more for them. A deal is a deal and your not living up to your part of the bargain. I think if I spend more money with you you'll do the same again. Why would I spend more money with someone who's a known cheat. Your not the only game to play online. I don't know if the next Tank game is of equal value but I'm going to find out. I want back what you stole from me .Or a complete refund. What I bought was rightfully mine. I didn't rent the items I paid money to purchase them . Who do you think your fooling? Rebalance includes a theft of what you sold us. Shame on Tanki. If I invested in gold and it goes up my brooker doesn't get to take it back and charge me the current price. Shame on Tanki's deceptive bussiness practice. Reopropriate now !!

[bB-tank 0]

http://ru.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=169973&st=7200#entry2913135