Update 123 closed. Why?

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

How? Through help@tankionline.com? They are Tech Support, they solve problems. By writing to them you're just slowing down their work, so people who have real problems can't get their answers on time...

Please don't contact the help for such things. They can't do anything about the updates anyway.

 

And, for the..what time..NONE of the updates will be cancelled, no matter how much you all complain. Can't you get it? Is it so hard to understand?

[killyoudie 8]

x10 for boxes ,x10 for prices , its just the same. If you divide price for 10 and multiply by 100 for boxes,may be the game changed alot.

[killyoudie 8]

x10 for boxes ,x10 for prices , its just the same. If you divide price for 10 and multiply by 100 for boxes,may be the game changed alot.

[r_Rajnish0 1]

the fund isnt 10x nor the chances of boxes is 10x

[LORD_KOBRA 6]

another useless topic but your goal is that nothing will be changed

[GoldRock 6,165]

the fund isnt 10x nor the chances of boxes is 10x

Gravedigger. And the real issue here isn't the updates, it's:

 

Why have an unpopular selection of the update topics been closed?

 

The mods say it's because the topics descended into places of insults and abuse, rather than being constructive. I can't really agree with that - even if they did, why lock the topics? Just ban the players for a bit so others have a chance to speak...

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

Why have an unpopular selection of the update topics been closed?

Hmm...My eyes lie, or all the topics get closed?

 

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

NONE of the updates will be cancelled, no matter how much you all complain. Can't you get it? Is it so hard to understand?

 

Federal what exactly is your position on tanki online other then a hall monitor trying to pretend to be a cop? Seems all you do is piss people off and tell them to leave if they don't like it... By any standards that's just stupid. I think the ones running Tanki Online/ Developers should be talking with it's players not some dude on a power trip. Tons of games have reverted patches due to players high demand for it if in the long they lose a big enough player base. So for you to say no patch will ever be reverted is sololy your opinion. You are allowed your own opinions but not your own facts so i think it would be wise for you to chill on pissing players off and telling them to leave the game. Pretty sure the owners would fire you in a heart beat if they knew you were coxing players to leave their game and if they don't then that inexperince on their part. Like seriously what kinda Forum hall monitor are you, you represent your company on the forums and I see you tell people to leave Tanki Online more then anything, seems like sabatoge..

What you guys have done is make it a little more fair for the new players but you just ruined anyone in it for the long haul which means you won't have a dedicated player base, you will have people join Tanki, play for it a bit and say "Holy Crap" it's gonna tank me 2 years to get this and leave. What company wouldn't want a dedicated player base? And when you say valuble players who are you refering too, the ones who donate which are valuble to Tanki? What happens when they leave? There is more players who don't donate then do donate so I suggest tanki starts listening to the majority instead of the minority.

 

This is where you bann me for ignorance of compliance on the forums cause I bruised your internet ego.

[GoldRock 6,165]

Hmm...My eyes lie, or all the topics get closed?

 

 

 

 

Hmm... didn't notice that, I guess you're correct :) I only really noticed when the rebalance/update 123 topics were closed...

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

@AgeOfShadows I'm not a monitor, but a person.

I'm not telling anyone to leave, but everyone is free to do it if he doesn't like the game. That's what I say.

 

Tons of games have reverted patches due to players high demand for it

Well as you can see, Tanki is not one of those games.

 

Pretty sure the owners would fire you in a heart beat if they knew you were coxing players to leave their game

Again, I am not telling anyone to leave. It's their own choice.

And, if you have anything against me, feel free to complain to my boss,

 

This is where you bann me for ignorance of compliance on the forums cause I bruised your internet ego.

I'm not a Mod, my job is not to ban.

And you did absolutely nothing to my ego..I'm dealing with people like you every day.

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

Not telling people to leave? What do you think saying nothing will change leave if you don't like it is? I've read tons of posts of you telling people that. How many major companies do you know that tells their customers if they don't like it leave or cancel their service? That might be your opinion but as for the company you are representing that is by far ignorant. I will be contacting tanki but not who you suggested and will show them all the posts where you tell players if you don't like it leave and will be interested to see what they say about it.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

Have you ever heard of EULA? It's the License Agreement which all of you read, agree and accept before registering in the game.

And it clearly says, here is just a part of it:

 

1.8. Entitlement for use of Game is given on the conditions “AS IS”. Owner doesn't give any guarantees concerning unerring, uninterrupted, contiguous work of Game, conformity of Game to the requirements and the expectations of User. Owner doesn't bear responsibility for any direct or indirect damage due to using or impossibility of use of Game, and also doesn't give any other guarantees which is not specified (fixed) in Agreement.

 

4.2. Administration is entitled to remove or change, any information, content, materials placed on Site and other Owner or other legal owners resources of without warning of any User.

 

4.3. Administration is entitled to close and/or to limit functionality of Game at any convenient for Administration time, without the prior or following notice of User.

 

4.4. Administration is entitled to change quality of granting Services unilaterally, at any time and in any extent and volume, moreover, if there is any sufficient basis to stop Service rendering without the prior and following notice of User.

 

ANY USE OF THE GAME AND ITS SEPARATE OBJECTS MEANS THAT YOU ARE ACQUAINTED AND AGREE WITH THE UNDERWRITTEN AGREEMENT, AND UNCONDITIONALLY ACCEPT ALL ITS TERMS.

 

IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE THE GAME AND ITS SERVICES AND YOU ARE OBLIGED TO LEAVE THE SITE IMMEDIATELY.

 

Now, you are free to complain to anyone for my actions. Here is even the address where you can send your complaints, you can even reach the court.

 

8.1. The Pretrial dispute resolution procedure is obligatory. User's claim should be sent on the box 7168, Perm-100, Tanki Online LLC (а/я 7168, Пермь-100, ООО «Танки Онлайн»), it should contain the specific list of violations made by Owner and/or Administration, account login, contact information and User signature. Non-compliance with the form or content of the claim entails non-compliance with the Pretrial dispute resolution procedure. Term for claim consideration and for sending the answer makes 30 (Thirty) business days from the moment of its acceptance.

 

8.2. In the case of dispute is not settled by Pretrial dispute resolution procedure, the dispute may be referred by any interested party in the Leninskiy court of city Perm, Russia.

 

Good luck.

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

Then I guess I am also free to dispute my transactions on paypal and move on to a different game. If the head of the company is as ignorant as you then this game will not succeed. Look at all the major games like World of Warcraft etc, they actually care about players and have a help line to resolve issuses hence why they are so successful. You guys on the other hand could careless, but don't foget who made the company successful, the player base not you, cause without players this game would not be in effect.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

If the head of the company is as ignorant as you

I don't understand, who is ignoring who? Updates were made and won't be cancelled. Devs won't cancel their months of work just because some players don't like it. They have their vision of the game and know that those updates are good for the game and its future development.

It doesn't matter if you like it or not, it's going to be like that. Sorry.

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

Good for who? Players are the whos who play the game not the Devs? If the people finacing your company to play the game is unhappy how does that make sense to dismiss the players? Let's break it down in lamen terms for you, if you invest in something and then later it is changed on you and your told to deal with it you are gonna be ok with that? If the vision of the company is to run off their dedicated players who would potitionally donate a huge amount of money before the change then they were successful. It's not my company, so it's theirs to do with but just because they do something doesn't make them right. You have thousands of players voicing their opinion about something that was changed and now are being told to deal with it or leave. What if everyone on tanki took that seriously and said screw it and left? Then what would tanki do?

IDevs won't cancel their months of work just because some players don't like it.

 

That's their mistake not ours. Their is more then just a few people unhappy with it , it's half the player base if not more. the "BIGGEST" mistake a game company makes is changing things not needed in a game because their theory is people will learn to deal with it. Would have it been so hard as you to put on the website or forums asking the player community if they would like a change before they did it? It's their game but it's our money & time invested into it. Players matter despite your opinions and I bet at some point they did matter to the company, but when a company gets so big that they forget the players who made them successful is when it becomes sad.

 

Let's agree to disagree, you have your opinions and i have mine. I am not here to call you out which i did and shouldn't have. I just get tired of playing games where they say players don't matter. So in retrospect I'm sorry for calling you out but at some point someone has to speak up or nothing every gets changed and while nothing on tanki might ever be changed and least something was said about it and not ignored.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

My point is that we can't change anything and flooding the forums is just pointless.

 

Would have it been so hard as you to put on the website or forums asking the player community if they would like a change before they did it?

If they did that and listened to the players, we would still have old graphics, no rebalance, or anything new.

They are doing those updates because they have some kind of a plan. They're trying to find the balance between money and happy players, which is not as easy as you think. Devs' work is that, Tanki. So, during this economic crisis, everyone is trying to get money somehow.

You may not understand that while you are sitting on your chair at home and just playing the game. For you it's just a game and you want it to be the way you like it. But for the people who made it and support it is much more than a game - it's their food, their house and their clothes.

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

I have ran games before, while they not be as big as Tanki online I know how to run a server of 2k to 3k people. Not all players are correct and you are right some things do need changed but when I see staff telling players to deal with it or leave that is just showing disrespect. These people invest alot of time and money into this game so if they want to vent about something they can, while it might not change anything it's still a way of venting.At least give the players that much.

Let's be honest, if you are working at a job and the company says we need to change some stuff for future of the company but you will have to work harder for less money then guarntee you would be mad. That's the same thing tanki online is doing to it's players, it's saying we want you to invest more time with less rewards and while we are at it we want you to pay more for your upgrades.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

so if they want to vent about something they can, while it might not change anything it's still a way of venting.At least give the players that much.

What do you mean?

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

When players get mad about something they come to forums to complain, or vent. Sometimes players say stuff the regret or don't mean sometimes they do. But when you invest years into this game or hundreds or thousands of dollars and then they change it on you don't you think the least you can do is let them vent about it? Sure it won't change anything but at least they feel better.. it's weird but venting isn't always a bad thing. There should be a forum thread just for venting, if i was a company I would rather a player vent out their problems and continue playing and paying them say hey, if you don't like it leave. Then that player leaves, stops donating and goes to another game and gives tanki online a bad rep which draws people away from the game. That's like throwing gasoiline on a fire wouldn't you say?

 

I guess what I am getting at is you can't make every player happy and alot of players are just ignorant jerks but some are just upset players who need to vent. So telling them if they don't like it to quit is probably just going to push them to quit instead of letting them just blow off steam.

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

Just curious, how come tanki decided to go free to play instead of doing a subscription? Seems like they would have made more money that way without having to effect certain mechanics that made the game more drawn out then to keep it free to play and make it to where you pretty much had to spend a bunch of money to upgrade your hulls. Tbh i would rather pay 5 or 10$ a month then to pay 150$ for one upgrade.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

Venting? Well, the update threads stayed enough and we saw how almost everyone was swearing at the updates. And swearing, or any kind of bad language is not acceptable. That's why the topics got closed.

Also, if you didn't notice, for 123 update we made an exception to rule 3.1 - we let tons of 123-hate topics, we let them stay for several weeks and were just closing the worst ones. And after several weeks, we closed all of them. Update is update for the first few days..ok, let's say weeks.

But then it turns to reality and discussing it is not necessary.

Plus, all the 123 updates were containing bad language, which was another reason to close them.

 

That's why no more venting.

[Dihos 2]

It wasn't like this back in old graphics tanki. There were way less complaints in the game. Then came the rebalance. People started complaining, and are still. I see a lot of dislikes on the tankionline videos on Youtube. People are starting to like the game less.

[GoldRock 6,165]

It wasn't like this back in old graphics tanki. There were way less complaints in the game. Then came the rebalance. People started complaining, and are still. I see a lot of dislikes on the tankionline videos on Youtube. People are starting to like the game less.

That's a fair point...

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

Venting? Well, the update threads stayed enough and we saw how almost everyone was swearing at the updates. And swearing, or any kind of bad language is not acceptable. That's why the topics got closed.

Also, if you didn't notice, for 123 update we made an exception to rule 3.1 - we let tons of 123-hate topics, we let them stay for several weeks and were just closing the worst ones. And after several weeks, we closed all of them. Update is update for the first few days..ok, let's say weeks.

But then it turns to reality and discussing it is not necessary.

Plus, all the 123 updates were containing bad language, which was another reason to close them.

 

That's why no more venting.

K we'll remeber you said that, because if it was your money and your time that was screwed with you would be posing a completly different argument. It's easy to take Tanki side because you are affliated with them but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so soft spoken about it. Also how many people where banned because they were mad that Tanki online screwed up years of gameplay and money they spent on stuff just to be changed at random and told to deal with when they vented? Like I said before, If you worked at a job and they told you that you had to work harder for less pay for the Good of the company and on top of it told you that you had to pay more money for worse coverage on insurance I bet you would be pretty pissed. I confused on how you don't see the logic in that.

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

if it was your money

Just to let you know, nobody is obliged to pay.

You did it, because you wanted to. This means you knew what the EULA says (you agreed with it, meaning you read it), you knew that it says the game can be changed at any time, without any warning and that 'Owner doesn't give any guarantees concerning unerring, uninterrupted, contiguous work of Game, conformity of Game to the requirements and the expectations of User.'