There is something wrong in Smokey Vs Thunder

[USA-POWER 227]

Thunder total damage / min

85 (Damage) X 24.7 (Rate) = 2099.5 damage/ min

 

Smoky Total Damage / min without critical hits

36 (damage) X 38.7 (Rate) = 1393.2 damage/ min

 

 

Smoky M3 Critical hits = 8 %

38.7 X 8 / 100 = 3.096 = 3.1 critial hits / min

 

 

38.7 total shoots - 3.1 (shoots with critical hits) = 35.6 (pure shoots with no critical hits)

Smoky Fire without adding fire with critical hits =

35.6 X 36 = 1281.6 damage / min

 

Critical hits damage / min

3.1 fires + critical hits / min = 3.1 X 190 = 589

 

Total Smoky damage by ordinary fire + critical hit damage =

1393.2 + 570 = 1982.2

 

 

Despite that Smoky Beats Thunder when face to face from a distance of 10 meters wih each tanks statics

 

Possible Explanation:

 

upon using 2 m3 hornets in testserver.. While thunder tries to shoot 3 fires Smokey can shoot causing the same damage effect within 2.5 fires of that of thunder .. it means the third thunder fire wont gona happen cuz smokey will be preceding in speed .. However mathematically this is not true and according to the information mentioned for each weapon !

This has been noticed without the critical hits .. what about long range.. thunder loses lot of its power .. smokey is a longer range gun

Another Note.. Critical hits as i noticed.. they don't happen in 8% .. but at least 15%

Tests upon Thunder vS sMOKEY was done while both with no paints, and of same tank.. again smokey wins without critical hits if both are using mammoth m2

More tests will be done about this .. and thats why thunder is called tier 2 gun i guess

Any other observations by you?

Edited April 1, 2013 by USA-POWER

[tiger-tank-101 15]

With my Marshal Account we did tests with bunch of friends.. what you did say is correct.. we used 2 viking m3 one with thunder m3 another with smoky m2

we didn't want to use skills.. strangely that with smoky was winning ! then we tried to count each fire damage .. for smokey it was more than what is mentioned with what has been described .. Thunder was too much pwnd down

Beside no difference detected between thunder m2 and m3 at all

Edited April 1, 2013 by tiger-tank-101

[comeandgetit2 27]

I didn''t bother to go for thunder M3 like before rebalance. The best gun in tanki has been nerfed for a gun that uses luck to make kills.

Edited April 1, 2013 by comeandgetit2

[USA-POWER 227]

With my Marshal Account we did tests with bunch of friends.. what you did say is correct.. we used 2 viking m3 one with thunder m3 another with smoky m2

we didn't want to use skills.. strangely that with smoky was winning ! then we tried to count each fire damage .. for smokey it was more than what is mentioned with what has been described .. Thunder was too much pwnd down

Beside no difference detected between thunder m2 and m3 at all

Yes thats right.. i already mentioned this before .. no difference between m3 and m2 .. its a very mini mini difference.. they focused on fire rate as 23.7 Vs 24.7 and so what? its / minute .. can you imagine any difference within few seconds? lol and a damage of just 5 difference ! am gona raise this issue under complains

Thunder M3 must have a better respect, if it stays as it is now, i don't recommend anyone to go from m2 to m3

I suggest that developers raise the rank required for thunder m3 at same time increase its rate and fire power and price

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Smoky doesn't have splash damage, thunder does.

So it's obvious smoky should win on 1 to 1, even if the statistics don't say so. (In this case, the statistics are wrong and need to be updated)

I didn't checked if the statistics were wrong, I assume you were right.

 

But what smoky lacks in splash damage, it adds up to damage... Thunder can do massive damage in cluttered spaces aswell;

and smoky would be terminated in a 1 to 1 there... simply because it doesn't have splash damage.

 

 

In other words; smoky is better in short both long (open) range... Thunder is more effective in Mid (cluttered) range.

Edited April 1, 2013 by splitterpoint

[tiger_of_malaysia 271]

If u have been played command and conquer: kanes wrath before, the Nod's Redeemer will wins against GDI Mammoth Armed Reclamation Vehicle(MARV) 1on 1 because the MARV's cannons deliver splash damage...while the Redeemer's lasers deliver precision damage... This occurs in smoky and thunder 1 on 1 battles because smoky delivers precision damage and thunder delievers splash damage...hope u understand

[GTDONE 98]

critical damage by smokey is strange one time i played with smoky m0 and got two consecutive critical hits that is bizzare

[tiger_of_malaysia 271]

critical damage by smokey is strange one time i played with smoky m0 and got two consecutive critical hits that is bizzare

wow! U are lucky! Lol

[USA-POWER 227]

critical damage by smokey is strange one time i played with smoky m0 and got two consecutive critical hits that is bizzare

yes thats y i said critical hits as i observed is much more than 8% .. i have received from a double powered smokey M2 two consecutive critical hits .. but didn't die cuz was on double armor :D

The problem with thunder players is that they mostly need an anti thunder paint to protect themselves .. that makes the paints available much less for them

SplitterPoint i know your point since the start .. but as you said they have to re check their statistics .. the info provided "not so sure" have to be rechecked ..

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Yeah I don't know if the statistics are wrong; they seem fine to me.

Thunder just has massive cooldown.

[USA-POWER 227]

I have isida m3 but lost it as a penalty down to M2 it was doing much greater than thunder ..

I think with Marshal i will be going for another weapon that work for most maps .. Ricochet, Twins seems good

Don't know why people say Rico is powered down ! its M3 is very different than its M2 .. i think its still the strongest weapon for most missions

[dungu 25]

OP, during your test you said it was a 1 to 1 fight at 10m with no skills, using Vikings and the Smokey wins . I would assume you are right though I sincerely doubt it in the actual game play.

Using Viking, in actual game play, the result should be almost equal, unless you use Titan or Mammoth of which Smokey would dominate.

Ever tried testing on Wasp, Hornet or Hunter? The Thunder would surely dominate.

FURTHER, in real battle, the Thunder IS able to severely damage if not kill 2 or more tanks in close proximity whereas the Smokey will only kill one at a time.

As Split said, I didn't checked your mathematics but I assume you're right, however, in REAL battles, one has to be good in their weapon of choice be it Smokey or Thunder, to win.

 

I quote a part of a sentence by a Tanki player ranked Left. Col. Panzer Runner in topic "Guide To Smokey"..."It is not a power weapon, rather a tool of the skilled.This is a weapon of the Jedi Knight." :)

[icerugby 1,886]

Yep thunder is only gud when fighting a weak hull so it can cuase loads of damage in few shots meanwhile smoky is a gud "all-rounder"

[USA-POWER 227]

OP, during your test you said it was a 1 to 1 fight at 10m with no skills, using Vikings and the Smokey wins . I would assume you are right though I sincerely doubt it in the actual game play.

Using Viking, in actual game play, the result should be almost equal, unless you use Titan or Mammoth of which Smokey would dominate.

Ever tried testing on Wasp, Hornet or Hunter? The Thunder would surely dominate.

FURTHER, in real battle, the Thunder IS able to severely damage if not kill 2 or more tanks in close proximity whereas the Smokey will only kill one at a time.

As Split said, I didn't checked your mathematics but I assume you're right, however, in REAL battles, one has to be good in their weapon of choice be it Smokey or Thunder, to win.

 

I quote a part of a sentence by a Tanki player ranked Left. Col. Panzer Runner in topic "Guide To Smokey"..."It is not a power weapon, rather a tool of the skilled.This is a weapon of the Jedi Knight." :)

so you still believe that thunder is good with high ranks like yours? lets say with a very skillful player, i got once with my thunder and at my current rank "Bragidier" 35 D/L ratio with a big battle in iran lasted for 1 hour

Edited April 2, 2013 by USA-POWER

[USA-POWER 227]

the results about viking were not stable as u said .. but with mammoth and titan.. then smoky was the winner .. am thinking to go for smokey m2 .. and no need for m3 .. no difference at all according to statistics

[dungu 25]

I do believe in Iran map the Thunder can still win in good hands due to the fact that there are narrow 'roads' between many buildings where the splash damage is able to be used fully.

And no to the fact that M2 Smokey having not much difference with M3. I got my M3 Smokey during the 50% sale and played most of my games using it now.

The Crit IS random, I once got 4 Crit shots in a row but that doesn't mean it is not 8% probablity. Also had over 25 shots without Crit.

I do believe that at your level and Split's you have came across a M2 Mammoth with M2 Smokey with Rustle as they were unlocked at Colonel rank. In good hands they could own the battle field on DM, assuming a non drugging battle.

Havea nice day, keep a cool head while playing this game, it helps. :D

[splitterpoint 10,986]

I got my M3 Smokey during the 50% sale and played most of my games using it now.

 

I got my M2 version at those sales; blerrgh... I had enough for M3 smoky aswell but the rank was out of reach. :mellow:

[STRONGEST999 2]

thunder is scared of smoky i guese

well nice work testers ;)

[Frost.Angel 221]

smoky owns, thats all, no problems

[USA-POWER 227]

smoky owns, thats all, no problems

I adore thunder with its amazing sound when u r wearing headsets, its a real thunder, and makes u feel u r driving a real tank :(

Edited April 2, 2013 by USA-POWER

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Thunder was my favorite gun... until they've made that lame explosion, and nerfed it to the ground with the 123 update.

Wish we had that old pure Thunder explosion, and less protection paints against them. :mellow:

 

I have Thunder M3; Smoky M2 is better most of the time... however, Thunder still dominates in clan wars due to the lack of protection paints.

[Mr.SV.ENS 738]

How many topics you already created about that thunder must be buffed?

[Psycho 586]

Thunder m1 beats Smokey m1

 

so why should Smokey m2 not beat thunder m2/m3??

[Mr.SV.ENS 738]

If you do it right, thunder m2/m3 can beat smoky m2

[USA-POWER 227]

we will be needing for a combo antithunder anti smokey paint for thunder users