There is something wrong in Smokey Vs Thunder

[Mr.SV.ENS 738]

Dear you all are right, thunder is OP .. but remember the following 3 facts:

1- Thunder is mid range weapon and has a pathetic self damage effect that make tanks stick to your face

2- Thunder m3 is no different than m2

3- Thunder have no much options in paints, have to always use antithunder paint like rustle or emerald, to minimize the damage to itself, while with all the rest of guns you are totally free what paint you would like to use

Look at the stats, Smoky m3 is no different then m2, only 1% more critical hit change and little more damage for critical hit.

[KiwiZaphod 53]

But this is too sad .. all wars wars wars :(

That's why I posted a clip from a fictional movie not real life... and a movie that really doesn't take itself very seriously. Red paint in shells and adding drainpipe to a gun to scare the enemy?

[Mr.SV.ENS 738]

Smoky is just pro, end of discussion. :ph34r:

[KiwiZaphod 53]

Look at the stats, Smoky m3 is no different then m2, only 1% more critical hit change and little more damage for critical hit.

The straight damage numbers don't give you how balanced things are - its not the total damage score that counts, but who gets to the finish line (a fixed number of HP) first for the kill. For example, by decreasing the Smoky critical slightly, Wikigoo has set up a solution where its possible to get a critical and two other hits and not kill an M3 Viking. Given the odds currently, that tips the balance even more in favour of Thunder. This fits with Wikigoo's goal of having "tier 1" and "tier 2 weapons" reinstated, which of course is about bias, not balance.

[Mr.SV.ENS 738]

I think you guys are just mad because someone killed you few times with a critical hit

[KiwiZaphod 53]

I think you guys are just mad because someone killed you few times with a critical hit

Well, not me personally! I suspect a lot of players rushed into getting their old "Tier 2" combinations after the rebalance without really understanding some of the subtleties of what had changed. Having spent their rebalance refund on a "narrow" garage range they dropped the balance on supplies. Initially it was "business as usual" because everyone was learning the new weapons and hulls, and a lot of players bought rank (but not skill!) creating the illusion that things would be largely as before. As players have up-skilled on the new guns/hulls - especially those that used to be "tier 1" - and learned how to use them effectively so things have shifted.

[Z3RO_DiM3NSiON4L 82]

That is by far one of the best forum posts I have ever seen

great work

[Z3RO_DiM3NSiON4L 82]

I always get one-shot killed by enemies when they have smoky.Even in M0! But if thunder is very close to the enemies (Close enough to get yourself a bit of damage) could kill in just 3-4 shots.They should increase thunder damage by 20% in long range combat.Its nearly impossible to kill even a light tank! And smoky....idk take away a bit of damage but high fire rate or decrease the range a bit.That would be nice...

:huh: :unsure: :wacko: :blink: :D :D :D :lol: :lol: lol at u :P

[tiger-tank-101 15]

To be honest, with you, Thunder is NOT best in mid-range; in the video with Thunder vs Smoky in mid range it was 3 - 4 Smoky wins and in far distance smoky would win and in close up it'd definitely win; So thunder is one useless gun! It needs more power!

+1

[dardayy 493]

People People .. its that simple.. the game stats is not accurate .. and there is big difference btw smokey m2 and m3, while not the same btw thunder m2 and m3.. Smokey m2 is better than thunder m3 .. just try to drug with both, and u willl see how crazingly GODDISH smokey will go .. in summary Smokey is much better than thunder

End of discussion

Edited June 12, 2013 by dardayy

[RiseOfCucumber 651]

To be honest, with you, Thunder is NOT best in mid-range; in the video with Thunder vs Smoky in mid range it was 3 - 4 Smoky wins and in far distance smoky would win and in close up it'd definitely win; So thunder is one useless gun! It needs more power!

Thunder will win 1 vs 1 with smoky without critical , but if Smoky got critical thunder will lost

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Exactly! Smoky is overpowered and Thunder is too weak!

 

And as some people think; no, I'm not a person that supports the guns that I have M3 and I would not go like:

People don't look at the numbers, A person who knows how to use Thunder will always dominate, the problem is that Smoky is a pure 1 vs 1 weapon and the Thunder players know that.

• A good Thunder player avoids the Smoky in a head-to-head fight. (10% of the Thunder players)
  
• A bad Thunder player gets killed by Smoky. (90% of the Thunder players)
  

It's just confirmation bias, you will be killing stupid Thunder players most of the time so you'll believe that Thunder sucks. Where as that 1 in 10 times when you get killed from 100% to 0% HP with some shots from a Thunder and you have no idea where he is; he must be cheating is the common reaction, instead of Thunder is supposed to be sneaky.

I haven't changed the way I played Thunder before and after the rebalance and whatever happened since 2010, ask any oldies how I played on Kungur or Tribute and no matter what happens I will always play the same way. I've never had problems against Smoky players.

 

/end_thread

Edited June 13, 2013 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[dardayy 493]

I just made calculations and: 64 - 95

 

This is the power of M3 Thuner that should've been in the game as I calculated. And plus this would only make the fighting like Thunder M0 vs Mammoth M1 but because M1 mammoth is from really low rank and cheap, I make no complaint. So thunder DOES need more power. Plus twins is way too powerful these days mainly because it has never ending fuel (advantage when fighting againts Ricochet).

 

If you want my maths, I'll send them to you on PM and this is what I really want splitterpoint to hear...

If you post your math in here we will highly appreciate.. but i think its gona take lot of your time.. the results are clear .. game stats are not accurate at all .. or may be i got them wrong

[High 773]

This is name Tanki not that jibberish game... ._.

[High 773]

 

 

Exactly! Smoky is overpowered and Thunder is too weak!

 

And as some people think; no, I'm not a person that supports the guns that I have M3 and I would not go like:

 

[someone says]: Smoky is overpowered and Thunder is too weak

[Me]: Oh, standards :P (then go and upgrade Smoky to M3)

 

There's no way I'd say that!

[GTDONE 98]

xxx

Edited June 28, 2013 by GTDONE

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Wiki I really don't understand what the point of quoting me was if you're just gonna start your own rant. At least try to argue instead of ranting all over the place and calling me a nerd?

 

The numbers are right there, numbers never lie, this world is based on the basic principle that 1 + 1 = 2, If you can prove that Smoky is better than Thunder more than 8% of the time then sure, I'll agree with you.

[GTDONE 98]

Wiki I really don't understand what the point of quoting me was if you're just gonna start your own rant. At least try to argue instead of ranting all over the place and calling me a nerd?

 

The numbers are right there, numbers never lie, this world is based on the basic principle that 1 + 1 = 2, If you can prove that Smoky is better than Thunder more than 8% of the time then sure, I'll agree with you.

 

You are very right they are two weapons with two very distinct types of gameplay although u can rely on the damage provided by thunder with smoky is a gamble with max 8%+the normal hp damage odds in your favor :)

[FatalTank 712]

Yes I know. They say there is no difference between Thunder m2 and m3, but there is barely a difference between smoky m2 and m3

Well actually you guys are both wrong....smoky m3 has 8% chance doing a critical while m2 has 7%...also m3's crit dmg is about 190 while m2's is somewhere near 170....so i think what is some difference....after all,smoky's power is its critical hits, which by the way are stronger than any other weapons maximum dmg....so yeah...i think smoky is awesome!!!:D

[dardayy 493]

smokey is the best gun in the game, twins are great but just in short range battles, thunder whatever skills you have "i got this from best skillful players" it sucks no more group damage, with ranking up, players know how to scatter or not keeping beside a wall to avoid the splash damage of the pathetic thunder, even when there is a skillful thunder player, remember that other players are skillful too to avoid thunder's splash damage,

Smokey is the best ever gun in most maps, its damage is the same at any distance, its critical hits is more than the stats that have been mentioned. proved by many many many tests, however twins still is proving that they are like god with no need for using skills, and this is totally not fair.. i used to be a rico player, now rico sucks as well.. its well known for now.. the best guns are twins, smokey, and firebird then comes isida (instead of being a doc turned into a monster)

Edited June 16, 2013 by dardayy

[crystalhunter001 0]

And a problem design in the Smoky gun?????

 

An open steel M3 Smoky?

[Dragonzforce 2]

smokey is the best gun in the game, twins are great but just in short range battles, thunder whatever skills you have "i got this from best skillful players" it sucks no more group damage, with ranking up, players know how to scatter or not keeping beside a wall to avoid the splash damage of the pathetic thunder, even when there is a skillful thunder player, remember that other players are skillful too to avoid thunder's splash damage,

Smokey is the best ever gun in most maps, its damage is the same at any distance, its critical hits is more than the stats that have been mentioned. proved by many many many tests, however twins still is proving that they are like god with no need for using skills, and this is totally not fair.. i used to be a rico player, now rico sucks as well.. its well known for now.. the best guns are twins, smokey, and firebird then comes isida (instead of being a doc turned into a monster)

No weapon is the best. thunder also does a good damage like smoky. ricochet also does the same no matter what modification they are. developers have reduced the fire/sec rate of thunder than before, and so for the ricochet, thats why these two weapons seem to be underpowered among high rankers. i hope they are aware of it and will fix in upcoming updates. and for the firebird, i think its a useless gun. it runs out of fuel very fast, takes a lot of time to reload, it also unfreezes the tank that is running away with his flag.

[dardayy 493]

No weapon is the best. thunder also does a good damage like smoky. ricochet also does the same no matter what modification they are. developers have reduced the fire/sec rate of thunder than before, and so for the ricochet, thats why these two weapons seem to be underpowered among high rankers. i hope they are aware of it and will fix in upcoming updates. and for the firebird, i think its a useless gun. it runs out of fuel very fast, takes a lot of time to reload, it also unfreezes the tank that is running away with his flag.

thanks for sharing your personal opinion :)

Edited June 18, 2013 by dardayy

[dardayy 493]

I think you all forgot something.. the team work is what makes you win and not the guns you own.. the more variety of guns and coordination with your team .. the more fun and possibility to win will be .. but if you play random, then whatever gun you have will count on chance, cuz u will be all alone

Edited June 18, 2013 by dardayy

[The-Player3 6]

No weapon is the best. thunder also does a good damage like smoky. ricochet also does the same no matter what modification they are. developers have reduced the fire/sec rate of thunder than before, and so for the ricochet, thats why these two weapons seem to be underpowered among high rankers. i hope they are aware of it and will fix in upcoming updates. and for the firebird, i think its a useless gun. it runs out of fuel very fast, takes a lot of time to reload, it also unfreezes the tank that is running away with his flag.

 

I think firebird is amazing. On test server, I would attack someone, and then they would put on health pack, but still die!