I don't know about you guys, but i think this is little unfair

[r_kikkare0 28]

It's unfair that in this game the winnin has nothing to do with the skills. You just buy with lots of real money the best armors, best guns, best everything and no one cannot kill you, but you can kill everyone in few shots, here is the proof:

 

 

Actually in this game you can buy everything, even your skill ranks can be bought, so you dont even need to play this game to be best in this game...

[GoldRock 6,165]

There's only so far you can go before this doesn't matter. If you have the best equipment for your rank, and other players do, then it goes down to skill :) Even with worse equipment, skill can mean you can beat higher modifications than yourself.

[r_kikkare0 28]

I do not have the best equipments of my rank. The point of mine was that if I want the best equipments, I need to buy them with my real credit card. From the game you never could get credits enough much to upgrade your vehicle with the best equipments.

 

And there never in this game has a situation when skills matter in that way how GoldRock mentioned. If I buy all the stuff from the garage, then I will be overkiller to most of the players like the one from that print screen.

Everyone cannot ever buy the stuff necessary to be winning in this game and I don't wanna neither be unfair cheater for them.

[Galaxyfire10 1]

I do not have the best equipments of my rank. The point of mine was that if I want the best equipments, I need to buy them with my real credit card. From the game you never could get credits enough much to upgrade your vehicle with the best equipments.

 

And there never in this game has a situation when skills matter in that way how GoldRock mentioned. If I buy all the stuff from the garage, then I will be overkiller to most of the players like the one from that print screen.

Everyone cannot ever buy the stuff necessary to be winning in this game and I don't wanna neither be unfair cheater for them.

 

Believe me even I am a newbie but i once beat a 4 diamond one on one. so that is kill that matter I have polygon,silence and

Combe

in the head i know ever inch of those place next time pick a map you know well.

 

P.S.: i think the skill makes one a newbie and and expert not the level

Edited April 4, 2013 by Galaxyfire10

[r_kikkare0 28]

No one can with only a pure skills have 180 win and at the same time 20 loses in this kind of game where everyone is shooting you from every direction. To do that you must use a lot of stuff to heal yourself etc.

 

I call it unfair if you must use something like 10 bullets against someone who could kill you with 3 bullets... (other players who did not has those super upgrades, needed to me those 10 bullets) It has nothing to do with skills if someone has atomic bombs and others must play with slingshots. Of course atomic bombing guy wins, no matter how unaccurate he is.

 

What I call skill is: good reflexes, knowing where to shoot first (who has the lowest health), ability to run away if you are running low health, knowing how to use different types of tanks / guns, knowing how to fight against of different types of tanks, hiding/sneaking and working with team.

 

If everything you need to do is to buy best stuff and just shoot, then this game is not for me. What sort of skill do you need to press 1 all the time when someone shoots you?

 

The whole structure of this game is made in purpose to be very unfair. But you can "fix" that problem just by paying to the game company for better virtual guns... Of course I understand that they want to have money from their hard work, but I have seen also some better conceptes of the same idea before where the money is not the best winning method.

 

If they want this to be fair and only skills matter, how come I can't play only with the players of the same rank and same level of tools?

Edited April 4, 2013 by r_kikkare0

[GoldRock 6,165]

No one can with only a pure skills have 180 win and at the same time 20 loses in this kind of game where everyone is shooting you from every direction. To do that you must use a lot of stuff to heal yourself etc.

 

That, my friend, is completely false. I achieved a score today of 90 kills to 20 losses without using a single medkit. And that is by no means my best score. I have Railgun M1, Viking M1, and Forester. Are you telling me that Forester is the best paint I can get? No, it isn't, but I can still destroy those with better paints and the same equipment as me. All it takes is skill.

 

I do not have the best equipments of my rank.

 

And there never in this game has a situation when skills matter in that way how GoldRock mentioned.

 

With your rank, all you can mostly get is a weapon and a hull... You haven't unlocked modifications for almost all weapon/hulls yet at all. Are you telling me you need a credit card to get an M0 weapon and hull, which btw you're provided with one set free at the start of the game? And that guy you shown could simply have been using drugs from his daily bonuses, you don't have to be a buyer to get hundreds of drugs...

 

(Though I've got to admit, I object to any kind of drugging in DMs, it simply makes everyone drug and it doesn't show skill... It's such a waste. If you want battles which take your skill into account, join a CTF, or maybe a TDM, though the first arguably requires more skill to win.)

Edited April 4, 2013 by GoldRock

[HeroPlayer 797]

Uhm bro. As you can see in the screenshot, he used druggs like double power/protection and nitro. This means he has twice the protection of his tank and twice the power of the weapon! He doesnt need to be a buyer for that tank.

[RedSlayer_A1 0]

There's only so far you can go before this doesn't matter. If you have the best equipment for your rank, and other players do, then it goes down to skill :) Even with worse equipment, skill can mean you can beat higher modifications than yourself.

 

Complete and utter rubbish. You can aid others by 'chipping' at the stronger player - you can never compete 1-on-1.

 

Red ;-)

[dialaphone 1]

I was going to write a post agreeing with general sentiment of the post, but then I remembered I don't care and have much better things to be doing with my time than lamenting a once great game, now what did I record on the TV.

[r_kikkare0 28]

That, my friend, is completely false. I achieved a score today of 90 kills to 20 losses without using a single medkit. And that is by no means my best score. I have Railgun M1, Viking M1, and Forester. Are you telling me that Forester is the best paint I can get? No, it isn't, but I can still destroy those with better paints and the same equipment as me. All it takes is skill.

 

I have done that same too, with that "sniper rifle" or what ever the gun is, and mammoth tank. Just camping in some place where you can see enemy spawning point and shooting everything that moves... But I cannot do that with the yellow super ball gun (or what ever) without buying some upgrades.

 

 

I was going to write a post agreeing with general sentiment of the post, but then I remembered I don't care and have much better things to be doing with my time than lamenting a once great game, now what did I record on the TV.

 

+1

I have been started for watching this kind of balance things from the games since i joined to an indie game team. :)

[4zo 1]

When you are using thunder M1 and mamoth m1 you will win every game!

[GoldRock 6,165]

Complete and utter rubbish. You can aid others by 'chipping' at the stronger player - you can never compete 1-on-1.

 

Red ;-)

That's your own opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. If our ranks could battle, even with your M2 stuff, I could still beat you with M1 equipment purely using skill. I'd understand M0 vs. M3, but players with one modification above you can still be beaten if you have skill... I was playing against Majors just this morning -_-

I have done that same too, with that "sniper rifle" or what ever the gun is, and mammoth tank. Just camping in some place where you can see enemy spawning point and shooting everything that moves... But I cannot do that with the yellow super ball gun (or what ever) without buying some upgrades.

It really depends what turret you use. Weapons which don't require much skill (and so depend on upgrades for effctiveness) are:

- Twins

- Ricochet (the rebalance ruined this one)

- Isida

All the other weapons, if used skilfully against higher modifications, can emerge victorious purely due to skill :)

[v.razvan 0]

The problem are not the buyers.

I have over 15 years of exeperiece in mmo world, i have tested almoste all mmos FTP.

Every mmo offer a huge advantage to the buyers, is normal for make ppl to spend money on the game and also the game is made to bring money not to entertain random ppl.

Tanki problem is about the price, the price are insane, is a crapy explorer based game, is countless time more expencive then top 10 mmos. If you spend 1000 usd in tanki you are still weak. If you spend 1000 usd in any other mmo you become atleast top 20 player.

The comparition with top 10 mmos is what you can do with 1000 usd in top 10 mmos you do in tanki with 4000 usd.

And now the worst thing wich tanki have is that non buyers have no chance to win vs buyers unless they play over 7 hours per day everyday for atleast 2 years, while in top mmos a non buyer player in hlaf a year with 7 hours per day and a bit of luck can be equal with any buyer.

[icerugby 1,886]

 

That's your own opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. If our ranks could battle, even with your M2 stuff, I could still beat you with M1 equipment purely using skill. I'd understand M0 vs. M3, but players with one modification above you can still be beaten if you have skill... I was playing against Majors just this morning -_-

It really depends what turret you use. Weapons which don't require much skill (and so depend on upgrades for effctiveness) are:

- Twins

- Ricochet (the rebalance ruined this one)

- Isida

All the other weapons, if used skilfully against higher modifications, can emerge victorious purely due to skill :)

R u kidding? Ricochet is one if the turrets that require skill. U need to use the bounce effect and u can't always killl the target with the 10-11 balls ur given, so skill is certainly required. Yep twins doesnt need skill. I hav both rico and twins m2. Perfect with my mammoth m2 :D Edited April 5, 2013 by icerugby

[Attackers-UsuallyWin 0]

Ditch the gaudy paint.

 

Use cheap metallic/white/forester/swamp that blends in with the map.

 

In the picture:- use wasp/freeze & get in his 6. Get devious not depressed.

 

As Galaxyfire said - pick a map & get to know every inch.

 

Then use create a private battle to practice - grab a flag, into reverse - turret ever turning.

If the enemy will not die, push him off the cliff - drive over him. It's war.

 

Work with and support team mates. One day you will be a pro.

Edited April 5, 2013 by Attackers-UsuallyWin

[r_kikkare0 28]

And now the worst thing wich tanki have is that non buyers have no chance to win vs buyers unless they play over 7 hours per day everyday for atleast 2 years, while in top mmos a non buyer player in hlaf a year with 7 hours per day and a bit of luck can be equal with any buyer.

 

This is exactly the problem which I was trying to tell people about this game. Thanks! :) And I have not time to play that much as you mentioned, I have friends to be with, and at the days I am working. So if I want to play this and look like "skilled one" I just need to pay. But I don't wanna pay, it feels for me like cheating, I want to be good at what ever I am doing in my life without using any cheats.

That's your own opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. If our ranks could battle, even with your M2 stuff, I could still beat you with M1 equipment purely using skill. I'd understand M0 vs. M3, but players with one modification above you can still be beaten if you have skill... I was playing against Majors just this morning -_-

It really depends what turret you use. Weapons which don't require much skill (and so depend on upgrades for effctiveness) are:

- Twins

- Ricochet (the rebalance ruined this one)

- Isida

All the other weapons, if used skilfully against higher modifications, can emerge victorious purely due to skill :)

I have not seen any guns here that needs something really special at skills. Tanks are moving so slowly, so you have every time so much time to aim with any available gun. And just like as some weird bonus, most of players stops moving when they starts to fight. I think that there actually also is a lot of players who does not even know how to turn theturret of the tanks. So with that refrigerator tank you just need to freeze them and run back of them. :) In the nutshell, you just need to keep moving and aiming at the same time when they are staying still and being target. By that way you have little bit better changes to win them. Unless they are using some unfair upgrades that makes their tanks surrealistic indestructible... Actually I like the freezer maybe as best gun, cause if I can't kill them with its full charge, I still can make sure that someone else will do that, that's my answer to buyers. :)

[GoldRock 6,165]

 

 

This is exactly the problem which I was trying to tell people about this game. Thanks! :) And I have not time to play that much as you mentioned, I have friends to be with, and at the days I am working. So if I want to play this and look like "skilled one" I just need to pay. But I don't wanna pay, it feels for me like cheating, I want to be good at what ever I am doing in my life without using any cheats.

 

I have not seen any guns here that needs something really special at skills. Tanks are moving so slowly, so you have every time so much time to aim with any available gun. And just like as some weird bonus, most of players stops moving when they starts to fight. I think that there actually also is a lot of players who does not even know how to turn theturret of the tanks. So with that refrigerator tank you just need to freeze them and run back of them. :) In the nutshell, you just need to keep moving and aiming at the same time when they are staying still and being target. By that way you have little bit better changes to win them. Unless they are using some unfair upgrades that makes their tanks surrealistic indestructible... Actually I like the freezer maybe as best gun, cause if I can't kill them with its full charge, I still can make sure that someone else will do that, that's my answer to buyers. :)

 

Once you rank up a bit, you'll find the gameplay is completely different. It really does come down to skills, then. Railguns, Smokeys, and Thunders jump out from behind walls or buildings to fire and then return to cover, and Freezes and Firebirds zoom around the players they're attacking, making it a lot harder for the victim to fight back. Shafts... Well, Shafts have to stay still when shooting anyway, but generally players choose decent camping positions, concealed in foliage, and after all, Shaft is a noob weapon :P Twins... Hold down spacebar, but players actually zoom around the back of enemies and turn their turrets, taking advantage of the knock back effect, and Ricochet is much the same thing, though players utilise the bouncing off walls to great effect. Isidas can stay with campers, healing them when they get hit, or rush in to attack with their team, either healing a drugging flag-capturer, or drugging themselves and effectively acting like vampires :)

 

As you can see, the weapons don't need something special at skills at the moment as you said, but when you get to higher ranks, being skilled a whatever weapon you're using is a must to do well. Gameplay is fast and intense at higher ranks, with non-buyers regularly destroying buyers and vice-versa. Whether you're a buyer means very little in the heat of the battle at higher stages... Just hang in there, get some experience against the noobs at your rank, and then you'll eventually get to see some exciting gameplay! :D

Edited April 5, 2013 by GoldRock

[GoldRock 6,165]

R u kidding? Ricochet is one if the turrets that require skill. U need to use the bounce effect and u can't always killl the target with the 10-11 balls ur given, so skill is certainly required. Yep twins doesnt need skill. I hav both rico and twins m2. Perfect with my mammoth m2 :D

 

Well, I only added that one because after the rebalance, Ricochet players at my rank at least (and seemingly all the way up to Major) have lost any sort of skills they once played with... It seems the truly experienced Ricochet players have moved on from this nerfed weapon, leaving the noobs behind :)

Edited April 5, 2013 by GoldRock

[HighwindsGDN 30]

Your first mistake is using ricochet. I'll repeat, your first mistake is using ricochet. Worst noob cannon in the game. Only reason that guy got kills with it is cause he drugged all game looks like. I get scores like that ALL THE TIME without drugs and playing against same rankers. I'm usually annoyed if I don't have at least a 2.00 K/D ratio. I usually get 4 or higher.

[deerkillerilikesport 1]

dude one thin im pissed about is the update they had were they refunded you. that was cool and all but I was an ***** and didn't get any good up grades. plus I was almost at warrant officer 4 and was going to get the shaft then they made it so you could get it at a way lower level. so these noobs had it when I had spent so much time saving up.and thunder is over powered

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

That, my friend, is completely false. I achieved a score today of 90 kills to 20 losses without using a single medkit. And that is by no means my best score. I have Railgun M1, Viking M1, and Forester. Are you telling me that Forester is the best paint I can get? No, it isn't, but I can still destroy those with better paints and the same equipment as me. All it takes is skill.

I'm sorry but I laughed at this. You use a railgun as a defense for skill. I'm sorry but how much skill does it take to use <-- or ---> and hit space long distance from other tanks while hiding in a spot most can't see you before you hit them?

 

You got 90 kills because you rather killed someone who was already damaged or hit them cause they didn't know where you were and you only got 20 deaths which proves you were in a spot most people couldn't see you or reach you. Sorry that's not skill.

 

And you are probably one of the bad players who drug up for this. I see many players who will sit in a spot and use double armor/power/speed and just sit there which is completely pointless. I've also see people use drugs in a one one match against the same tank & weapon so they could win. I think you don't understand what skill means. Skill would be an under armed tank/weapon using no drugs out smarting or playing someone who has a better tank or weapon that is or isn't using drugs. That my friend is skill. Not hiding from everyone while you shoot at them.

Edited April 6, 2013 by r_AgeOfShadows0

[GoldRock 6,165]

I didn't use any drugs except when I had the flag...

 

...

 

It was in Silence, for heavens sake. And I was on the red team. How can I possibly have had a long distance battle where most people 'couldn't reach me'? I captured about 3 or 4 flags out of 10, which clearly wasn't a case of the enemy team 'not knowing where I was'. And without any medkits, with a good few Freezes on the enemy team, that was pretty tough...

 

I respect what you've said, but I think you've missed the point of my post. You seem to have described the average Shaft user there... I'm afraid to say that I don't play according to your description. Please try not to be judgemental next time :)

Edited April 6, 2013 by GoldRock

[Joshua16 780]

Ive only bought once b4 rebalnce, and that was 30$ with a Dcc card, and forever i dreamed about getting freeze let alone m2 and now i have it by earning most of my crys the fair way, camping until gold drops :P

[r_AgeOfShadows0 0]

I didn't use any drugs except when I had the flag...

 

...

 

It was in Silence, for heavens sake. And I was on the red team. How can I possibly have had a long distance battle where most people 'couldn't reach me'? I captured about 3 or 4 flags out of 10, which clearly wasn't a case of the enemy team 'not knowing where I was'. And without any medkits, with a good few Freezes on the enemy team, that was pretty tough...

 

I respect what you've said, but I think you've missed the point of my post. You seem to have described the average Shaft user there... I'm afraid to say that I don't play according to your description. Please try not to be judgemental next time :)

so you captured 3 or 4 flags and had 90 kills with 20 deaths and used no drugs and was in the heat of battle not far off hiding sniping people? sorry don't believe it.

[jokjinari 160]

so you captured 3 or 4 flags and had 90 kills with 20 deaths and used no drugs and was in the heat of battle not far off hiding sniping people? sorry don't believe it.

No he's not lying. It's actually quite easy to get a good D/L ratio with railgun, even if you're not hiding out.