Firebird V.S. Freeze

[roomrider 0]

Recently, I've (roomrider) had an argument with a friend of mine (tankbuster) about which is better, Firebird or Freeze. To decide this, I have decided to consult you, our fellow tankmen, to decide which is better. I think freeze is better because it has better DPS (damage per second) and better effect (slowing victims down). But tankbuster thinks that firebird's burn damage is superior to freeze's effects.

Please leave a comment on which one you like better and a description of why.

P.S.

It would be better if the higher ranked tankers answered this one.

[r_HeavyArtillery0 1]

firebird is good in DM/TDM, freeze is a allrounder, its very good in CTF. firebird is not good at all if there are lots of freeze around, and in CTF, you only help your enemy to unfreeze while he trys to capture your flag. so, in CTF, firebird should use carefully.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Because nobody ever uses Firebird- well at least not the majority, Freeze has no predator thus it has become an apex gun. I like Firebird better in my opinion, It gives you more of a chance to kill the person. The burn effect is really quite something. In the M0 stages it is a weak-sauce really. However, in the M1 stages it's just one of the best. I can't imagine what M2 and M3 are like. For Firebird, you may kill the opponent even after you are shot down. It's like another force helping you to attack whereas Freeze you have to spray him all the way until he dies. Remember, you are able to be shot down and miss the kill. This is crucial in DM. You may be freezing someone on the brink of death and then you get shot by a Rail or Shaft- or maybe even a Thunder. Then you do not get the kill whereas if you were to use a Firebird, you'll be able to kill him even after you're dead and earning point(s). In CTF matches however the tide may change. Freeze is crucial because of its ability to freeze( Which I think should be nerfed- the duration, not the Freeze itself) whereas rendering opponents useless. With Firebird, you're giving the person a chance to run, however he is plaqued by the Burn effect. He may try to run for it, but somewhere he's going to die. One example: A firebird burnt me, but I made a run for it. I was like 2 feet away from the flag base and I died- leaving the flag. So then the guy came in, returned the flag, and sped off with my flag(True Story). Boy, I sure felt burn(Hurhurhur). Even the slightest burn does some damage. Remember, the burn effect does last quite a while.

Furthermore there is always the Vampiric Isida. With Freeze, you have to get out of its Range quick or face Oblivion. I currently am using M0 Isida+ M1 Wasp, and lower ranked M0 Freeze + M1 Wasp just charge at me. Ominously, I win- Lol! In this case, it would be either circle around me or keep out of my range. With Firebird however, just charge. Even if you die, the burn effect will kill him/her.

Lets take a look at this. M1 Freeze's damage is 40, right? Well Firebird's damage is 17. This will fool many people. Oh my, look how much the difference is. Freeze passes Firebird by 13 damage per second(DPS)! This is amazing. However, you forget the burn effect. M1 Firebird has a 12 damage burn effect- which measures it to 39 because Firebird's burn takes effect immediately. True, it is now only lesser to its Counterpart freeze by 1 damage. However, as I mentioned before, The Firebird has a burn effect that still acts when you are dead whereas when Freeze is shot down, well you can't do anything about that now. Your target is a victim for someone else. So Firebird surpassess Freeze and the 1 DPS difference with that! You have to add the Burn effect.

Furthermore, The Burn effect may also act as a Kill steal. In additon to all of this lovely information, I have to tell you one thing. If you see another Freeze or Isida behind the person you are aiming for, then don't fret. This means more kills for you! What do I mean? Well in this case just charge and close as you can to the person in front. Say the person in front is also a Freeze. Remember, your Firebird effect goes through multiple tanks. So you'll burn the whole Chain! It's a very convenient accessory. In battle, the Isida/Freeze behind will get the Burn effect and sustain 17 DPS thus receiving the full blunt of 39 DPS+ The long lasting Burn effect. This will surely kill the Isida behind it because it cannot heal itself because of the fact that it is blocked from enemies because of the tank in front. Lol. If it's a Freeze, it cannot unburn itself, and I'm pretty sure the Freeze in front will not turn backwards and unfreeze the other Freeze because then it will die. Furthermore, if there are three tanks, well just make you're pressed up against the first tank so you'll affect all of them.

Source: I am a Former Firebird User. :)

Edited April 22, 2013 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

firebird is good in DM/TDM, freeze is a allrounder, its very good in CTF. firebird is not good at all if there are lots of freeze around, and in CTF, you only help your enemy to unfreeze while he trys to capture your flag. so, in CTF, firebird should use carefully.

I agree with you.

If You're a Firebird: Never attack another Tank that is being attacked by a Freeze. You're only defreezing him. If you see an enemy Freeze, well you know what to do. Go pyromaniac. Lol!

If You're a Freeze: Never try to attack another Tank that is being attacked by a Firebird. You're only eliminating the Burn effect, making the Firebird inflict only 17 DPS, and getting the Firebird quite annoyed at you.

Source: I am a former Firebird User. :)

[r_Goldbox_hunter0 1]

My choice is Firebird. :)

[icerugby 1,886]

Firebird is the better at m2 and m3 IMO because it does loads of damgage. If I meet a drugged m2-3 firebird I run for it (and I'm a m2twins mammy user). Freeze is still really gud and better for defense compared to firebird which is an offensive gun. Freeze is also a very strong weapon because it makes up for having no continuous damage by having high dps

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Firebird is the better at m2 and m3 IMO because it does loads of damgage. If I meet a drugged m2-3 firebird I run for it (and I'm a m2twins mammy user). Freeze is still really gud and better for defense compared to firebird which is an offensive gun. Freeze is also a very strong weapon because it makes up for having no continuous damage by having high dps

Indeed. I just came from a Moon Silence CTF. Ironically, My team had a majority of Firebirds whence the other had a majority of Freezes. Perfect for this topic! Though they carried our flag for two or three seconds, our Firebirds swarmed them with the Burn effect and it ended up being a tie. Lol!

[ronen93 46]

I'm currently using firebird m2. If I use it head-to-head against a player with freeze m2 with same hull, I notice that firebird has greater dps as it include afterburn damage however has shorter ammo charge than freeze. Both has advantages and disadvantages for some map modes, as freeze slows down the enemy and firebird burns the enemy then "duck" behind the wall till that enemy is destroyed from afterburn. What I usually do when there is freeze user in my team, is I attack oncoming player first which would be damaged further with afteburn as possible before a freezer executed that player. So I prefer firebird as it is "unique" from the rest of team and almost no enemy has a paint protection or small percentage of anti-damage paint against firebird.

[LiquidGold 1,370]

i would like a thunderbird gun a cross between firebird and thunder you can shoot long range and the enemies burn afterwards, google thunderbirds theres prescidence, not the cheap pear wine, the puppets rock

[ronen93 46]

Sorry, thunder already has splash effect.

[Frost.Angel 221]

Fire cause he will burn im