Let's Discuss Thunder!

[0dysseus 88]

There is no curve as long as you are in maximum damage range.

 

I did some experimenting with m0 accounts and there definetly is a curve, not only with thunder, but with every turret besides shaft, freeze, fire, hammer and isida. (edit: and smokys crits)

 

Max damage isn't dealt when a turret shoots from distances lesser than "the range of max damage". The damage in question is something between the min damage and the max damage, from what i've seen. The wiki is outdated, and doesn't represent the way current turrets deal damage.

Edited October 25, 2016 by 0dysseus

[LoudMouth1202 1]

The Thunder is a good all-round turret, especially for beginners.

[Tani_S 736]

I did some experimenting with m0 accounts and there definetly is a curve, not only with thunder, but with every turret besides shaft, freeze, fire, hammer and isida. (edit: and smokys crits)

 

Max damage isn't dealt when a turret shoots from distances lesser than "the range of max damage". The damage in question is something between the min damage and the max damage, from what i've seen. The wiki is outdated, and doesn't represent the way current turrets deal damage.

 

Wow that gets even worse. Thanks a lot for your post. Indeed I had difficulties to recognize the phases of max./min./weak. damages and ranges, when I was experimenting with Smoky's critical. So is it like that , that there is a slight curve between the own tank position and the range of "maximum" damage and a strong curve between the ranges of "maximum" damage and minimum damage? It would be appreciated if we get some updated data into the wikis... It seems that the damage counter and not the wiki is the deciding measure.

[Creepernan8820 21]

I am definetely going to upgrade to m1 once i reach the rank. (Sadly im going to have to wait for sale only have 11,000 crystals)

[0dysseus 88]

 So is it like that , that there is a slight curve between the own tank position and the range of "maximum" damage and a strong curve between the ranges of "maximum" damage and minimum damage?

Now that i've observed thunder on my main for a few days it really feels like that is the case, but measuring range is a bit hard in game. If the wiki stays outdated for much longer i'll do some more m0 tests on that and some other stuff.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It's really only important to know how many shots it takes to take down any hull at a decent range.

 

 I find thunder's extremely annoying in DM's because all they do is killsteal.  And every thunder user drug DD's all the time.

Edited October 31, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

And I always thought, killstealing is the art that DM is based on.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Okay sure..but why "art"?

 

and thunder is especially good for killstealing.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Because you don't only need to know how many seconds or shots _you_ need to take someon down, you neet to know it for _all_ other turrets too. So you play a Smoky, you still have to count the Rico impacts on that Viking over there.. and shot in the right moment (not too early, not too late).

 

But I have to admit, that it is easier with thunder, as it's damage is very high.

It is almost as easy as with rail (rail has slightly more damage, but if you killsteal by rail, they start to hunt you down, as they see where your shot came from).

Edited October 31, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Because you don't only need to know how many seconds or shots _you_ need to take someon down, you neet to know it for _all_ other turrets too. So you play a Smoky, you still have to count the Rico impacts on that Viking over there.. and shot in the right moment (not too early, not too late).

 

But I have to admit, that it is easier with thunder, as it's damage is very high.

It is almost as easy as with rail (rail has slightly more damage, but if you killsteal by rail, they start to hunt you down, as they see where your shot came from).

Exactly my point.  Because of thunder's high damage, you don't need to shoot in at exactly the right moment.  There is a high margin of error as for your shot that will still give you the kill, and it's worse with DD.

[Spit_Fyre 334]

I have a question about splash (sorry if it's stupid). I got curious after watching the recent vlog where they say shielding your tank behind another when under attack by fire/freeze prevents damage.

 

Anyone care to explain if thunder works the same way? Like, splash hurts when you are positioned above/below/beside + behind the tank being shot at by a thunder? Do you think shielding should work with thunder too?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I have a question about splash (sorry if it's stupid). I got curious after watching the recent vlog where they say shielding your tank behind another when under attack by fire/freeze prevents damage.

 

Anyone care to explain if thunder works the same way? Like, splash hurts when you are positioned above/below/beside + behind the tank being shot at by a thunder? Do you think shielding should work with thunder too?

No, other tanks do not shield you from splash. That would ruin the point of the splash damage, which is to damage all tanks in a certain area or to hit people hiding around the corner.

[Spit_Fyre 334]

I can understand the "around a corner" part, but I'm finding it difficult to picture how a wasp/hornet behind (completely shielded) by a mammoth who is taking a frontal hit from thunder, should get damaged by splash.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I can understand the "around a corner" part, but I'm finding it difficult to picture how a wasp/hornet behind (completely shielded) by a mammoth who is taking a frontal hit from thunder, should get damaged by splash.

The point is to have all the tanks in a certain area damaged.  Maybe this will change once artillery comes out.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Exactly my point.  Because of thunder's high damage, you don't need to shoot in at exactly the right moment.  There is a high margin of error as for your shot that will still give you the kill, and it's worse with DD.

1 vs 1 at M3 Smoky and Thunder are very competitive.

 

In multiple DM Smoky seems at a disadvantage. It takes an non-drugging smoky ~ 5 shots to kill a Viking.

It seems that many other high damage turrets (Rail, Thunder, Hammer) jump in and kill-steal before smoky can deal the killing blow.

 

Weapons that deal a huge amount of damage in 1 or 2 shots seem to have advantage in DM.

[Tani_S 736]

Weapons that deal a huge amount of damage in 1 or 2 shots seem to have advantage in DM.

So is a Thunder alteration worse than a standard Thunder in DM, then?

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Regarding kill stealing yes -

but DM is not only about kill stealing.. it is also about survival.

You have to take this into consideration too, before you devalue the alternation for DM.

Edited October 31, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

 

well DM is not only about kill stealing.. it is also about survival.

True, but the ultimate goal of survival is to get more kills.  DM scores are based on how many kills you have, not how little deaths.

 

So is a Thunder alteration worse than a standard Thunder in DM, then?

If you plan on only killstealing, than yes. In other respects it's quite hard to tell.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

True, but the ultimate goal of survival is to get more kills.  DM scores are based on how many kills you have, not how little deaths.

If you get killed, you can not use your turret for 12 second.

12 sec are almost 4.. 5 shots with (normal) Thunder.

Thats the problem, why survival is so important in DM.

Edited October 31, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

If you get killed, you can not use your turret for 12 second.

12 sec are almost 4.. 5 shots with (normal) Thunder.

Thats the problem, why survival is so important in DM.

4...5 shots does not mean 4...5 kills.  Many times it just means a weakened tank, which is an easier kill for other players, moving them higher up in the battle list.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I never claimed each kill is a shot. I just state, that beeing dead disables you to kill others. And to survive means to have more chances to kill others. DM (with midrangers) is not about shooting all the time, it is about shooting at the right time. But.. if you are dead, you are likely to miss a lot of "right times".

I just took the chance and entered 5 DM games, 3 of them drug free. In each of them the leading players had a high K/D ratio.. obviously beeing alive and beeing able to shoot pays off in kills too.

[Platinum-Eagle 0]

I personally really like thunder it's awesome and with practice becomes a deadly foe to deal with!

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I personally really like thunder it's awesome and with practice becomes a deadly foe to deal with!

I think any turret with practice can become a deadly foe to deal with :P

[Creepernan8820 21]

Any1 know if thunder m1 is good?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Any1 know if thunder m1 is good?

What kind of question is that? :P  M1 thunder is the second-best m1 and is extremely good.

Edited November 1, 2016 by r_I_already_won0