Let's Discuss Railgun!

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I do have M4 railgun, light hulls are usually 2 shots if M4 otherwise its mostly one.

Meduims are 2 shots straight, rarely 3 shots if M4 and so unlucky

Finally, all heavy hulls are 3 shots. I dont recall it ever took more than that to take out M4 Titan/Mamooth.

You must have the alteration.

[omarhero1 401]

You must have the alteration.

Yes, absolutely. 

I forgot to point it out  :ph34r:

[Annihilate 8]

Best gun ever!!! :D 

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I dunno. I kill a lot of railguns and I am killed by a lot of railguns. It seems to be operating in the Even Steven area you'd hope all turrets operated.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

in the Even Steven area you'd hope all turrets operated.

 

 

HOW ABOUT THE SWAGNUM?

 

[LittleWillie 3,199]

LOL ... the Swagnum not so much Even Steven.  Awesome new term coined here.  :lol:

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

LOL ... the Swagnum not so much Even Steven.  Awesome new term coined here.  :lol:

Yep, much more of an Odd Todd- and a damn odd one at that.

 

The Following Is a CIA surveillance excerpt from the offices of AlternivaPlatform, c. 2015

 

Seymon is playing Tanki and raging against Shafts as usual.

 

"The Shaft. Must be nerfed!"

 

"But sir, you've already nerfed it."

 

"Really? Still too strong!"

 

"Well, you nerfed the damage.  Then you added that laser.  Then you decrease the range of the arcade shot.  Then you took away the penetration.  Then you decreased the turret rotation speed.  And finally you decreased the vertical aim angles."

 

“But how am I supposed to hit them?  As soon as I come out, boom! And dead…. see?

Imagine if you could hit people while staying behind this house?  Would be hilarious!”

 

“Yessir.  Very big trolling you can do with that.”

 

*snigger* “Just wait and see!  I come up with this tank tomorrow!  Sasha, you come here.  What do you think of this idea?”

 

“If they can hide behind the houses then how are you supposed to kill them?”

 

“Bah! What is this I am hearing! You’re not supposed to be able to kill them- that’s the big point.”

 

“Oh. Er, haha.  Yes, very good idea...but sir, what will the players say?”

 

“How many times have I told you Sasha, it's not about what they say, it's about what they buy. Go go go.”

[Prince_Of_Railgun290 320]

I just love my rail

[splitterpoint 10,986]

I just love my rail

Hehehe

[Hell-Hound 575]

Railgun is legends choice, 

[Molotvski_Enot 1]

My goodness, what a text wall. Of course the proper response to this is another text wall.  ;)

 

 

 

I.Follow, on 09 Dec 2017 - 02:16, said:

dont delete my idea its new and i didnt post it here multi times ! this is the first time i make a compare to rail and smokey so its unfair to dekete my message for no reason !

Nice joke.

 

m4 Railgun min dmg is 800 and the railgun max dmg is 1600 averge shots is 1200 and down  hmm well save this info , lets go to viking m4 has HP 3000 ok lets see how rail can done viking , 1200 one shot + 1200 one shot + 1200 one shot = 3600 dmg so now we hve confrim that railgun m4 destroy a viking m4 with out Altretion in 3 shots 100% , well .... as we know in the high ranks ( Legends ) ALL ! equiep Railgun protcion which is 50% this mean the viking m4 which has 3000 Hp now doubled by 50% Hp against railgun which result 3000 x 50% = 4500 hp for viking m4 hmmm lets see how much rail need to done a viking m4 with proticon , 1200 + 1200 + 1200 + 1200 = 4800 !!! so now we confrim rail done viking m4 with protcion in 4 shots ! , hmmm !! so are you still think the new rail better than the old one ? or wait you just need to spend 100k one altretion re not even the old rail ? 

First of all, do you even know how supplies in this game work? Supposedly you've played the game for 8 years or whatever. Double armor doubles a hull's HP, hence the name. So an M4 Viking + DA has 6000 HP, not 4800, and takes ~5 shots. Old Viking M4 had 6300 HP, and old Railgun needed take ~4 shots. Neither is an accurate number because damage varies, but I am using the average damage just like you did. 

 

Now consider the reload times:

Old Railgun, 4 shots: 3 x 5.5 = 16.5 sec

Current Railgun, 5 shots: 4 x 4 = 16 sec

Note that the first shot is not included because it's already loaded. Your calculation is wrong because when firing three shots you only go through two reload times. Try it in battle if somehow you don't believe me.

 

The difference is literally half a second, which is nothing. You say Railgun takes a bunch of shots to kill Viking now, but fail to consider the reload time and the state of game balance at the time of old Railgun.

 

smokey m1 min dmg is 260 and the max dmg is 405 and the average of shots is 310 , well reload time is 1.7 seconds very well lets 

 

contune smokey do critical hit ever 4 shots now lets calculate it... note 1.7 = ( reload time and shot which is 310 )

 

1.7 + 1.7 + 1.7 + 1.7 + critcal hit ( 680 ) + 1.7 + 1.7 + 1.7 + ( 680 )  = 13.6 seconds ,

310 + 310 + 310 + 680  + 310 + 310 + 310 + 680  =   3220 dmg which able to kill m4 viking !! in 13 seconds !  

 

well well ! fantacitc from smokey as we used , and dont tell me its get weaker in distane as EVERYONE know the highest % of maps are played by players is poylgon sandbox noise hihgland and all of this maps has no very long range to digrease the smokey hits ! and even if a player played in a long range map he can get closer to hes enemy and dont forget hes critcail dmg its dont get weaker at the distane , 

 

hmmm lets go to railgun now )-: my poor nerffed gun 

 

4 sec + 4 sec + 4 sec = 12 seconds ,

 

1200 one shot + 1200 one shot + 1200 one shot = 3600 dmg  well im sure you happy that m4 railgun ! can done a m4 viking in 3 shost and 12 seconds but wait did we forget anything ? we are dont talk about a confrim shots ! ! the players might miss a shots well here you still rail are beating smokey ? well i will explain if smokey miss a shot its can reload faster than railgun a lot a lot and dont forget its very high rotating speed and auto aim super ! but for rail if its miss a shot     :( the person need to wait 4 seconds more to hit the enemy again ! which add more 4 seconds to the 12 seconds to result 16 seconds ! but for smokey its only increase 1.7 secodn it dont effect .

Smoky does not necessarily have a crit every 4 shots, it's quite variable. But I'll go with that for sake of example. Also, anyone who's played with Smoky (you haven't) knows that the damage dropoff is RIDICULOUS, even on small maps. Smoky has roughly the same range of max damage as Twins has range.

 

Besides, have you forgotten that Polygon and Highland have been changed now while Sandbox and Noise aren't even in the battle list anymore? Not to mention none of these maps are optimal for Railgun, even before it was "nerfed." This is also cherry-picking. I guess ever turret is better than Shaft because apparently 99% of players play on small maps. I also like how you say that someone can "get closer" on a large map. Go tell Freeze and Firebird to "get closer" on large maps.

 

The total reload time is actually 8 seconds, NOT 12. 12 seconds is the time it takes to fire 4 shots, not 3, because your first shot is already loaded. So your whole Railgun-Smoky comparison falls apart as. To summarize:

 

Time taken by Railgun to fire 3 shots: 2 * 4 = 8 sec

Time taken by Smoky to fire 8 shots, as per your example: 7 * 1.7 = 11.9 sec

Smoky sure beats Railgun here . . . 

 

so are you still think m4 rail woth buy it and waste your crystals on this junk ? which m1 is better than its in m4 ? really ? R.I.P railgun

 

 wait wait i wont stop here lets make a fair compare now ! M4 against M4 rail against smokey in m4s

 

 m4 smokey min dmg is 420 and max is 640 and average is 500 ( its higher most of times not like rail its lesser most of times T_T ) 770 crit dmg

 

and reload time is 1.5 seconds lets calculate it stay here guys i know its quite long but i want shot that rail must get buff !!!!!

 

1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 = 12 sec

 

500 + 500 + 500 + 770 + 500 + 500 + 500 + 770 = 4540 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wowowowow m1 smokey beat m4 railgun thats very very balanced game

What the heck is this? You say Smoky M4 takes 12 seconds to kill M4 Viking while Smoky M1, which does 40% less damage, takes 13.6? Someone needs to brush up on their math here . . .

 

Anyway, according to your logic Smoky M4 will destroy Viking M4 in 5 shots. From experience I know this is utter BS, but whatever.

 

Time for Smoky M4 to fire 5 shots: 4 * 1.5 = 6 sec

Time for Railgun M4 to fire 3 shots: 2 * 4 = 8 sec

 

The difference is two seconds, which I think is fine. Smoky is a mid-range gun with low alpha and decent DPM, while Railgun is a long range gun with high alpha and low DPM. Smoky will win a short range brawl, while Railgun will win a long range engagement, just like how it should be. It's a problem when a turret performs well outside of its intended role.

 

In short you messed up your calculations and therefore don't have much evidence to base your argument on. I wonder why the developers ignore you . . .

 

EDIT: Mod deleted this guy's post before I finished my reply. Amusing.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Molotvski_Enot

[T-34-3m 360]

 

 

HOW ABOUT THE SWAGNUM?

 

As self-enforced delegate of Magnums everywhere... It's pretty broken.

[I.Follow 140]

wht hell !!!! deleting my math and idea again ? :( r.i.p tanki fourm.

i asked the player about my idea and disscusing about it and this is the place to do it , but no the mod delete my discussing from everywhere this bull!!!!

[SprayGround 2,851]

wht hell !!!! deleting my math and idea again ? :( r.i.p tanki fourm.

i asked the player about my idea and disscusing about it and this is the place to do it , but no the mod delete my discussing from everywhere this bull!!!!

You posted it in multiple places which is considered flooding.

You can find your maths here.

As a railgun player myself, I don't see why you have to make huge deal of it since rail is not even bad, I still use it and it still works well. So it's not like Rail is underpowered and needs a buff.

If you have any complaints about mods hiding your posts, feel free to contact one of Forum Admins.

[Matt_Black 203]

I was going to start an etiquette post but I'm not sure where to do it so I'll start it here and I'm sure someone will point out where it should go.

 

I play railgun/dictator sniper/goalkeeper, what most forum members would decry as a camper. To be fully candid I have a premium account occasionally (for the EXP boost and the drugs) and I am a light to moderate drugger.

 

Etiquette for players with a railgun sniper on their team. Written with tongue firmly in cheek and should be read in same manner.

 

If I have an overdrive star I am saving it for when the other team attack, no amount of bumping me or shooting me with your flamer will get me to overdrive you when you have full health and a star of your own.

 

Thank you for healing me Isida but next time please do it from the side or behind. I can, and will, shoot through you to hit an attacker. This is sometimes taken as an insult.

 

If I am not actually firing this means I am aiming. I am fully capable of hitting other tanks at the maximum range of railgun. It is hard enough to do with the other team shooting at me without my own teammates putting me off. Please take the time to drive around me instead of trying to push me out of your way or crashing into me due to poor driving skills. Freeze, Isida, Firebird, and Hammer turret users seem to be prone to doing this, maybe because they don't have to aim. On the rare occasion that another player overdrives me it is not necessary to smash into me at top speed to do so. 

 

As a defender/goalkeeper I will be using drugs to help the team. DD and DA help to keep the other team away from the goal and will allow me to slot that firebird/Isida/freeze before it can kill you ridiculously quickly and capture the point/flag/another kill. I am spending my Xtals and in some cases real money on the team, please have the same consideration and come and lay a few mines in front of me.

 

Please feel free to add any other pointers that might help others with a sniper on their team.

 

Trolling and haters also invited, particularly about drugs or in game buying.

 

:D

[Ninja 10,468]

If I have an overdrive star I am saving it for when the other team attack, no amount of bumping me or shooting me with your flamer will get me to overdrive you when you have full health and a star of your own.

Fully agreed on this, too many people expect you to use overdrive when they're grouped around you, I'll only do this if we are grouped around the flag and I'm playing defensive OR I can rely on the team to use their full supplies well, for example a group attack or defence. I won't give my overdrive to a group of stragglers who midfield and assist with occasional kills.

 

I will only use OD when I can guarantee a successful attack or defence.

 

If I am not actually firing this means I am aiming. I am fully capable of hitting other tanks at the maximum range of railgun. It is hard enough to do with the other team shooting at me without my own teammates putting me off. Please take the time to drive around me instead of trying to push me out of your way or crashing into me due to poor driving skills. Freeze, Isida, Firebird, and Hammer turret users seem to be prone to doing this, maybe because they don't have to aim. On the rare occasion that another player overdrives me it is not necessary to smash into me at top speed to do so.

Mostly the casual player who just smashes into you to give you OD just wants to be nice without thinking too much, you just have to accept that not all players are obsessed with strategical thinking and just play to have a fun time. :p

[I.Follow 140]

thank so much i3est you are the best mod after coopero :) and ninja in the last ( end ) now someone give me a reason to delete my message coz he know my eng is not very good and sometimes i mistakes thanks again best ,

 

 

any way i dont agree with you about rail my freind :( ! for a 8 years rail player (me) the worrst balance ever never ever never happen in this compeletle dead game is the railgun nerf in 2016/10 re-balance :( !!!! as you know the dislikers and haters were more than the likers for the re-balance i really dont know why did tanki applyed the re-balance :( all of this only for earn $ and make the game more not fun and boring game

dont you see a lot a lot of people dislike the game haters increaseing always the game losing its great every update and become boring every update , if you go to the youtube you will find a lot of haters videos and guess what ? for every vid there is 2k or 3k and 90% of them are likes wht a hell is this ! tanki is dead and the balance is compeletly dead :( 

 

any way bro i know you sad now coz i said the true that tanki dead but its ok :( everyone know no need to hide the truth anymore by deleting this post man :(

 

 

 

in your opnion 

 

dont you think my idea is better for the railgun ? i mean im sure you saing railgun is not bad but im sure you play xp or bp and saying this but if you play in a other battles you must drug to use railgun MUST and even if you drug and press 3 a hornet with proticon need 2 shots from railgun with DD hhahahahha r.i.p RILGUN i will always miss you . wait dont tell me buy the freaken altretion , why ? ok im not talking to my self or i want the old rail to back only for me , i have think for it and i see that railgun in low ranks are compeletle unfair its the worrst gun ever ! i see 1/10 railgun players in the battles i play in my low acc :( this unfair the old railgun was 8/10 at least in every battle i enter and you saying that railgun are not bad ? you must be f!!!! kidding me 

 

ok any soultion coz the devs brains broken , any ? yes there is millions of them here is the best 

 

 

Why dont tanki re the old rail and replace the m2 altretion with this one from my self-made altretion https://prnt.sc/hf7oj0 and make an auto equpied altretion for xp/bp battles that change there rail stats like the current stats , its like in DR Mode ^-^ auto equpied ^-^ , why this ? Ok here some reason if the old rail back this mean slower reload ( exepct xp/bp its same as now ) slower reload mean less rail shots less rail shots mean less ( dead , dying,death idk ) Rate which mean players will have some extra seconds now to hide or attack or heall etc.

 

 

#re-old-railgun

#make-tanki-great-again

#r.i.p-tanki

[Matt_Black 203]

I think that as a rail gunner you have to choose your maps. Some really suit the railgun, Massacre being my favorite right after Rio. Some of the smaller maps really don't. Pick your battles. Railgun is a medium to long range weapon, yes it will kill at short range, but the reload time only allows one shot before the other tank is on you. Pretty much all you can do is drop a mine and back up and if the other guy is any good he'll drive round the mine and still kill you. It's not just knowing what your gun will do but you have to know the strengths and weaknesses of all the others too.

 

Low ranking rail gunners probably haven't worked out the way the gun works. or have paired it with a light hull and don't yet have the skill to scoot and shoot. A rail/light is an effective weapon but you have to know how to use it to get the best out of it to last very long in a battle.

[I.Follow 140]

I think that as a rail gunner you have to choose your maps. Some really suit the railgun, Massacre being my favorite right after Rio. Some of the smaller maps really don't. Pick your battles. Railgun is a medium to long range weapon, yes it will kill at short range, but the reload time only allows one shot before the other tank is on you. Pretty much all you can do is drop a mine and back up and if the other guy is any good he'll drive round the mine and still kill you. It's not just knowing what your gun will do but you have to know the strengths and weaknesses of all the others too.

 

Low ranking rail gunners probably haven't worked out the way the gun works. or have paired it with a light hull and don't yet have the skill to scoot and shoot. A rail/light is an effective weapon but you have to know how to use it to get the best out of it to last very long in a battle.

pravo ! very good my freind , but know something ? you saing the railgun for med-long range maps only ? waht if i tell you something will deny waht you saing ? in the old railgun which was too way slower than the currnet railgun i was playing in short maps in my trun and i really really see a lot  a lot of railguners in short maps but no everthing changed in the worrst re-balance 2016/10 nerffing railgun greatly , and i dont agree with you about the low ranks dont know how does the gun work , for my in the first 3 days to me in railgun i used how to use it very perfect ! and the same for the other players but now i dont see many railgun like old days , asking why ? its the nerf yes man railgun is a high dmg gun from the first day its relase in the game ( fear machine ) old days :( , old rail was on top of all guns in all maps from arena to the biggest map in the game ! 

and know waht ? you said , you can only 1 shot before the other tank is on you this mean its like the old railgun coz the old was too same 1 shot before him on you but more and more MORE ! dmg ! coz  this railgun need to get applyed to my idea to better game balance and railgun gameplay for all ( railgun haters and railgun lovers ) .

 

#re-old-railgun

#apply-my-idea

#r.i.p-tankionline

#old-days-never-forgetten

[Matt_Black 203]

So you don't like railgun now because it won't one shot anyone? Play a different turret then that will. I'm forever getting slotted by Magnums.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

now i dont see many railgun like old days , asking why ? its the nerf yes man railgun is a high dmg gun from the first day its relase in the game ( fear machine ) old days :( , old rail was on top of all guns in all maps from arena to the biggest map in the game ! 

 

You saw so many Rails in the "old days?" for the same reson you see so many Magnums today. The old Railgun was OP. Today Magnum is OP. There are always gamers who go for whatever is the OP gear of the moment.

 

But today Rail is stil one of the most-used turrets in the game. I do not htink I ever see a game without one or more.. I do see games w/o striker, freeze, smoky, vulcan, hammer, quite often.

[wolverine848 13,097]

You saw so many Rails in the "old days?" for the same reson you see so many Magnums today. The old Railgun was OP. Today Magnum is OP. There are always gamers who go for whatever is the OP gear of the moment.

 

But today Rail is stil one of the most-used turrets in the game. I do not htink I ever see a game without one or more.. I do see games w/o striker, freeze, smoky, vulcan, hammer, quite often.

Pretty much.

 

multiples of...

magnum

isida

rail

thunder

ricco / twins

 

and then the rest...  with vulcan 2nd-last and striker dead last

[caiosilvac 567]

but now i dont see many railgun like old days

Railgun is currently one of the 3 most used/popular turrets along with Ricochet and Twins.

[I.Follow 140]

Really ? Railgun ? Bro rail are very weak gun for a high DMG gun . rail must get a freaken huge HUGE ! Buff

 

Or the best solution is to apply my idea .

 

 

#re_old_rail

#apply_my_idea

[splitterpoint 10,986]

#no