Let's Discuss Firebird!

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

firebird king in small and medium maps,better than freeze these days...

[USA-POWER 227]

i can now buy either firebird m3 since i have it m2.. or the entire upgrades of freeze

I know that freeze has more immediate damage than firebird + used alot in CTF battles + once it hunts a tank the prey can't escape .. unlike with firebird where they can steal its kills because of its slow after burn damage .. + MUed Freeze can destroy 420 hp mammoth with one load ..

 

While firebird has more range of damage +3 meters + after burn effect + can fasten a frozen tank that is running with the enemy flag ..

 

If you were in my place which one you were to buy and why :S

[hellboy1234567 546]

i can now buy either firebird m3 since i have it m2.. or the entire upgrades of freeze

I know that freeze has more immediate damage than firebird + used alot in CTF battles + once it hunts a tank the prey can't escape .. unlike with firebird where they can steal its kills because of its slow after burn damage .. + MUed Freeze can destroy 420 hp mammoth with one load ..

 

While firebird has more range of damage +3 meters + after burn effect + can fasten a frozen tank that is running with the enemy flag ..

 

If you were in my place which one you were to buy and why :S

freeze has more immediate damage than firebird??? are you sure because the stats show opposite. freeze M3-57.1, firebird M3-61.9. Are you talking about fully MUed case? In that case- true.

[USA-POWER 227]

freeze has more immediate damage than firebird??? are you sure because the stats show opposite. freeze M3-57.1, firebird M3-61.9. Are you talking about fully MUed case? In that case- true.

sorry i mentioned reversed .. look at my tests "both fully MUed" one test using viking --> firebird won, the second with mammoth and freeze won .. but if freeze has more immediate damage.. then why firebird killed viking first .. despite the damage of fully MUed freeze is higher than the initial damage of fully MUed firebird

[hellboy1234567 546]

sorry i mentioned reversed .. look at my tests "both fully MUed" one test using viking --> firebird won, the second with mammoth and freeze won .. but if freeze has more immediate damage.. then why firebird killed viking first .. despite the damage of fully MUed freeze is higher than the initial damage of fully MUed firebird

really..no clue..are those vikings also fully/evenly MUed? Also noticed that the fire started a tiny bit earlier than freeze, hope that does not make a difference..

Edited June 2, 2014 by hellboy1234567

[hellboy1234567 546]

ok, may be the immediate damage and after burn was working simultaneously..if that's the case then i am surely a firebird fan... :D

[HiS.RoYaL.HiGhNeSs 2,036]

i love firebird m2

[USA-POWER 227]

really..no clue..are those vikings also fully/evenly MUed? Also noticed that the fire started a tiny bit earlier than freeze, hope that does not make a difference..

u r right .. fire with viking started some miliseconds earlier .. but other tests were done as well, and it was causing faster damage.. the point behind is not to let enemies runaway .. because with freeze they cant runaway

and yes both viking fully MUed

But still freeze is the favorable gun for most players now

Its all because the after burn effect of fire got too much nerfed

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

i hate the fact that freeze slows you,when you are jumping off a cliff,it seems that your falling is slowed to o.O 

[USA-POWER 227]

Yes after tests and lot of observations

Freeze is unfortunately much more useful than firebird ..

Its much better in CTF

its better in DM even.. because of its higher instant damage, compared to the disadvantage of kills stealing of tanks that got burned with firebird because of its slow after burn damage (too long after burn effect)..

And you know freeze can spin around tanks .. stopping them from hurting you .. it can be played in small maps unlike firebird .. you can't play CTF using firebird in Farm ! or in combe ! just in Silence to help the camouflagger .. so :{

The only good thing with fire is its 3 meters more in range and its ability to unfreeze camouflaggers .. but it rarely happens

 

Freeze comes first .. fire for fun ..

But

 

For clan wars only Fire is allowed

Edited June 2, 2014 by USA-POWER

[sam131192 113]

^ ++

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

i still find firebird better xD

firebird m3 simply crushed freeze m3 in 1 vs 1 xD

[USA-POWER 227]

Both Mued Firebird and Freeze:

Firebird Damage  (61.9→70.0) (per second) Reloading (12.35→12) Range (20.12→21.00) Burning damage (54.8→62.5) (per second)

 

Freeze:

 

Damage (57.1→72.0) (per second)

Reloading (11.65→11) Range (17.35→18.0)

 

Comments:

IF the after burn damage of fire was truely counted / second then it was to be faraway better, but i dont think this is accurate at all.. it takes a very slow manner to keep burning

[deadmanrising 715]

 

Both Mued Firebird and Freeze:

Firebird Damage  (61.9→70.0) (per second) Reloading (12.35→12) Range (20.12→21.00) Burning damage (54.8→62.5) (per second)

 

Freeze:

 

Damage (57.1→72.0) (per second)

Reloading (11.65→11) Range (17.35→18.0)

 

Comments:

IF the after burn damage of fire was truely counted / second then it was to be faraway better, but i dont think this is accurate at all.. it takes a very slow manner to keep burning

Its not very handy when it comes to take overs in ctf battles, i'd stick to tdm and dm

[USA-POWER 227]

 

 

Its not very handy when it comes to take overs in ctf battles, i'd stick to tdm and dm

 

I came back again from some other tests.. the after burn damage was not meant to be / second.. it means damage continues slowly for 61 seconds !!  That turns firebird into nearly a useless gun and freeze and twins as the best close range guns !

And since the immediate damage of freeze after MUs will get higher than firebird .. yes stick to Freeze

[hellboy1234567 546]

I came back again from some other tests.. the after burn damage was not meant to be / second.. it means damage continues slowly for 61 seconds !!  That turns firebird into nearly a useless gun and freeze and twins as the best close range guns !

And since the immediate damage of freeze after MUs will get higher than firebird .. yes stick to Freeze

But i thought the afterburn is 5 hp/sec..so 61x5=305hp..And still cant explain your viking test, if not the ''immediate burn and after burn working together'' theory is true..devs can you comment on this?

Edited June 2, 2014 by hellboy1234567

[USA-POWER 227]

But i thought the afterburn is 5 hp/sec..so 61x5=305hp..And still cant explain your viking test, if not the ''immediate burn and after burn working together'' theory is true..devs can you comment on this?

i think developers did a mistake with this .. they nerfed firebird by prolonging its after burn effect

Or they wanted all guns to be equally effective .. i guess the second one is correct

Edited June 2, 2014 by USA-POWER

[Thomas11239 366]

the longer u shoot the longer the afterburn. so i think it's not a mistake

[LiquidSoup 9]

Afterburn is annoying, if I'm using hornet the firebird will almost kill me, an Isida will heal me to full and then I'll still die to afterburn...

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

that is funny xD

[USA-POWER 227]

Afterburn is annoying, if I'm using hornet the firebird will almost kill me, an Isida will heal me to full and then I'll still die to afterburn...

freeze must be more annoying to u

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

true,fire never was popular

freeze always was popular -___-

[dragonssk1 334]

i can now buy either firebird m3 since i have it m2.. or the entire upgrades of freeze

I know that freeze has more immediate damage than firebird + used alot in CTF battles + once it hunts a tank the prey can't escape .. unlike with firebird where they can steal its kills because of its slow after burn damage .. + MUed Freeze can destroy 420 hp mammoth with one load ..

 

While firebird has more range of damage +3 meters + after burn effect + can fasten a frozen tank that is running with the enemy flag ..

 

If you were in my place which one you were to buy and why :S

I may be a low rank but I have bought m2 firebird and freeze. I've used both intensively... (only m2 turrents I have). Firebird is way better. If you do 1 v 1 with freeze with same hulls, you will beat the opponent easily because firebird is stronger then freeze. Also freeze is a popular weapon and everyone has a bunch of freeze protection paints. You may have stolen kills, but firebird is strong and can destroy enemies easily. Also the afterburn is really useful at sometimes.

Freeze in the other and is the best defender. If you like defending you base, and playing defense then freeze is the way to go. Freeze is good for defense and stopping those  pesky druggers.

 

IMO I would perfer firebird because it is damm strong and people use less firebird paints and it is unstoppable at drugging.  

[hellboy1234567 546]

I may be a low rank but I have bought m2 firebird and freeze. I've used both intensively... (only m2 turrents I have). Firebird is way better. If you do 1 v 1 with freeze with same hulls, you will beat the opponent easily because firebird is stronger then freeze. Also freeze is a popular weapon and everyone has a bunch of freeze protection paints. You may have stolen kills, but firebird is strong and can destroy enemies easily. Also the afterburn is really useful at sometimes.

Freeze in the other and is the best defender. If you like defending you base, and playing defense then freeze is the way to go. Freeze is good for defense and stopping those  pesky druggers.

 

IMO I would perfer firebird because it is damm strong and people use less firebird paints and it is unstoppable at drugging.  

At M2 level Fire is much strong, stats show it clearly and everybody knows that...but the point is fully MUed M3 level..stat shows freeze is stronger and can shoot for longer than fire and since the afterburn is nerfed, fire apparently is weaker...

 

But i still can't digest it. I've seen M3 fire causing devastation, i've used it on test server and people run away like a scared dog so may be i'll have it M3 some day..

[Pow12345678 12]

should get it with wasp 0_o