Let's Discuss Smoky!

[NoobTanker18 63]

You mean the light hulls in 2 shots? I guess with DD?  ;)

M1 smoky can kill my viking M0 in two shots with DD

[smokeyh2 1,512]

Wolverine

 

It took me about to 35 mus for my m3 smoky to become really OP.

 

I have it to 50/50 now and it is awesome. It kills just about everything, and quickly, maybe 2 shots for most. Someone with Viking full m4 may take 3-4 shots but most only 2.

 

Go into Poly DM and find the good spots to defend (like under the bridges or up top) and you will easily get 30 kills per 15 minute game once you get it mued. And I have gotten 45-50 in a 15 minute game. That is full M4 Vulcan numbers.

totally agree with what you say

smoky at full m4 is an awesome weapon

had my m4 for nearly 9 months now and its the best weapon i have used

i also own a full m4 thunder and i use it now and again but im always drawn back to my smoky

in my opinion smoky outguns thunder everytime and its such a versatile weapon being able to be used in any map and any game type

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

^ Well just look at the name ;)

[dan146_tanker 770]

lol

[wolverine848 13,097]

totally agree with what you say

smoky at full m4 is an awesome weapon

had my m4 for nearly 9 months now and its the best weapon i have used

i also own a full m4 thunder and i use it now and again but im always drawn back to my smoky

in my opinion smoky outguns thunder everytime and its such a versatile weapon being able to be used in any map and any game type

It's funny - cuz on paper - with 2 vikings - Thunder should beat smoky after the rebalance. It delivers the killing blow before smoky does - unless smoky gets really lucky and has 3-4 criticals out of 5.

 

I plan on upgrading it - but - Buying the Guardian kit (on the paint sale day) made me broke. Less than 10k crystals now.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It's funny - cuz on paper - with 2 vikings - Thunder should beat smoky after the rebalance. It delivers the killing blow before smoky does - unless smoky gets really lucky and has 3-4 criticals out of 5.

 

I plan on upgrading it - but - Buying the Guardian kit (on the paint sale day) made me broke. Less than 10k crystals now.

A skilled smoky can get 2 shots to every 1 thunder shot...making use of cover.  And since smoky knocks off your aim there's a good chance the thunder will not shoot as soon as it is reloaded, but when it's sure it will land a shot.

[wolverine848 13,097]

A skilled smoky can get 2 shots to every 1 thunder shot...making use of cover.  And since smoky knocks off your aim there's a good chance the thunder will not shoot as soon as it is reloaded, but when it's sure it will land a shot.

If you play peek-a-boo tactics, with equal skilled tankers, the one delivering higher dmg has the advantage. They will hide until their slower reload is ready. = same # of shots. But more dmg per shot. Like rail only faster.

 

And I think they nerfed (a bit) Smoky's impact while increasing Thunders impact.

 

However... there have been complaints Thunder does not actually do the damage the WIKI says. So that makes a difference.

[dan146_tanker 770]

A skilled smoky can get 2 shots to every 1 thunder shot...making use of cover.  And since smoky knocks off your aim there's a good chance the thunder will not shoot as soon as it is reloaded, but when it's sure it will land a shot.

Thunder don't stand a chance against smoky. One thunder shot = at least 3 smoky shots. Smoky M4 can 2 shot my M1 viking and reloads as fast as the old twins.

[dan146_tanker 770]

If you play peek-a-boo tactics, with equal skilled tankers, the one delivering higher dmg has the advantage. They will hide until their slower reload is ready. = same # of shots. But more dmg per shot. Like rail only faster.

 

And I think they nerfed (a bit) Smoky's impact while increasing Thunders impact.

 

However... there have been complaints Thunder does not actually do the damage the WIKI says. So that makes a difference.

Lool peek a boo tactics?! Lol peek a boo xD.

 

Anyone who uses peek a boo tactics is a hider and camper. They wait till you make the move.

 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Thunder don't stand a chance against smoky. One thunder shot = at least 3 smoky shots. Smoky M4 can 2 shot my M1 viking and reloads as fast as the old twins.

First of all, why are you playing against m4 smoky with m1 viking? Also, the old twins reloaded faster.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

If you play peek-a-boo tactics, with equal skilled tankers, the one delivering higher dmg has the advantage. They will hide until their slower reload is ready. = same # of shots. But more dmg per shot. Like rail only faster.

 

And I think they nerfed (a bit) Smoky's impact while increasing Thunders impact.

 

However... there have been complaints Thunder does not actually do the damage the WIKI says. So that makes a difference.

same opinion.. using peek-a-boo Thunder should be way better; especially as it can deal SplashDamage around a corner

Edited October 27, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 The smoky will want to get up close. Smoky reloads too fast and does too little damage to be worth using it for peek-a-boo.

[dan146_tanker 770]

First of all, why are you playing against m4 smoky with m1 viking? Also, the old twins reloaded faster.

I like Viking :P

[dan146_tanker 770]

The smart thing to do is just to make smoky short ranged. If it it can't hit further than ricochet than it would be balanced. You wouldn't have smokys from a far distance doing critical damage and killing you. Yeah I know the critical damage is weak but its still super annoying and you can't run away or hit something you can't see. If smoky was short distance than this problem would be no more ;)

[Krillin 4]

Peek-a-boo shooting was very effective with Smoky + Wasp, but now they ruined the acceleration for Wasp.

[dan146_tanker 770]

Peek-a-boo shooting was very effective with Smoky + Wasp, but now they ruined the acceleration for Wasp.

Wasp was OP. Its still OP. Its too fast and too strong. It should become weaker seeing of how fast it is.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Wasp was OP. Its still OP. Its too fast and too strong. It should become weaker seeing of how fast it is.

Well it did get a major speed nerf. IMO it's not that fast anymore and not too hard to hit.

 

The smart thing to do is just to make smoky short ranged. If it it can't hit further than ricochet than it would be balanced. You wouldn't have smokys from a far distance doing critical damage and killing you. Yeah I know the critical damage is weak but its still super annoying and you can't run away or hit something you can't see. If smoky was short distance than this problem would be no more ;)

That kinda ruins the point. Personally I think smoky has just fine range.  Too short range and it overlaps with twins/rico.  Smoky has to be a common ground between Ricochet and Thunder, and it's right there now.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Thunder don't stand a chance against smoky. One thunder shot = at least 3 smoky shots. Smoky M4 can 2 shot my M1 viking and reloads as fast as the old twins.

LOL.

 

Try it when the M-levels are equal and get back to me.

[dan146_tanker 770]

LOL.

 

Try it when the M-levels are equal and get back to me.

They won't ever be equal. That's the thing. Smoky is acquirable from a very low rank (M1) then you can upgrade it to M2 very fast. So that's gonna be a problem 'cause I haven't seen anyone that uses smoky M1 that doesn't have it fully upgraded....  So I'm back (I never left) to you. ;)

[sm0ky 92]

They won't ever be equal. That's the thing. Smoky is acquirable from a very low rank (M1) then you can upgrade it to M2 very fast. So that's gonna be a problem 'cause I haven't seen anyone that uses smoky M1 that doesn't have it fully upgraded....  So I'm back (I never left) to you. ;)

True.

[wolverine848 13,097]

True.

But... Dan was comparing an M1 with an M4 and making a conclusion about performance.  It's like comparing apples and bananas.

 

It's not unusual to find M0 vs M1 or M1 vs M2 etc.  But if you take an M1 and go against an M4 you deserve to be rekt.

[dan146_tanker 770]

But... Dan was comparing an M1 with an M4 and making a conclusion about performance.  It's like comparing apples and bananas.

 

It's not unusual to find M0 vs M1 or M1 vs M2 etc.  But if you take an M1 and go against an M4 you deserve to be rekt.

Its very usual to find M0 vs M1, M1 vs M2 and so on. In a DM match I see M1s to M4s.

[wolverine848 13,097]

They won't ever be equal. That's the thing. Smoky is acquirable from a very low rank (M1) then you can upgrade it to M2 very fast. So that's gonna be a problem 'cause I haven't seen anyone that uses smoky M1 that doesn't have it fully upgraded....  So I'm back (I never left) to you. ;)

Not a good comparison.  M1 should not be fighting M4. 

[dan146_tanker 770]

Not a good comparison.  M1 should not be fighting M4. 

Why not?

[wolverine848 13,097]

Its very usual to find M0 vs M1, M1 vs M2 and so on. In a DM match I see M1s to M4s.

I agree with the 1 and even sometimes 2 level differences. someone entering a DM with M1 vs M4 is on a death-wish and should expect to die - often.

 

Maybe it's for a "challenge"?  Gotta be easier ways to earn experience otherwise.