Let's Discuss Twins!

[Link_1119 183]

I forgot to mention that you'd better not use Twins on a light hull. :p

But before rebalance i used horent with twins m3 i was pretty good

[austen_pierce 1,948]

The impact of Twins (Vulcan too for that matter) in addition to the turret's other characteristics make it kinda OP IMO. Even with a medium hull, tanks in the receiving end struggle just to course correct much less get their own shot off.

[Link_1119 183]

^ +1

[Hamza419 0]

twins has short range which makes bad

 

[ChineseTankMan 98]

The impact of Twins (Vulcan too for that matter) in addition to the turret's other characteristics make it kinda OP IMO. Even with a medium hull, tanks in the receiving end struggle just to course correct much less get their own shot off.

But the other guns have far more effective shots.

So twins (after losing power) are now the least effective gun, overall.

[austen_pierce 1,948]

But the other guns have far more effective shots.

So twins (after losing power) are now the least effective gun, overall.

Can't agree with this. Sure taking Twins onto Berlin or Düsseldorf is not wise, but any short map or a map with decent cover ensures close range combat. Put twins in a medium hull and you're sure to survive Rail and Thunder attacks long enough to do them in. Especially when noobs try to snuggle. Edited August 18, 2015 by austen_pierce

[Erik0015 1,607]

In my opinion is twins the most over-powered turret in game. I cannot beat twins m2 with any short range turret M2 and twins is mid-range not short range. When I am using hornet M3 and twins M3 with double damage come near me most of the time I am dead before I rotate my turret on enemy.

[Sagefur_lightning 4]

Whenever I use Twins I find it irritating that I cannot leave a fight without taking damage unless I use drugs (and yes, I know you can't just leave a fight without taking damage in return but it is obviously possible and is something that I practice all the time). However, when I encounter Twins I find it extremely hard to keep steady and get an accurate shot on the player. My opinion is that Twins is a very powerful weapon that can take you to the top, when PROPERLY used. I do not use twins myself but I have had experience with it but I prefer Ricochet as my weapon of choice.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Sagefur_lightning

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Whenever I use Twins I find it irritating that I cannot leave a fight without taking damage unless I use drugs (and yes, I know you can't just leave a fight without taking damage in return but it is obviously possible and is something that I practice all the time). However, when I encounter Twins I find it extremely hard to keep steady and get an accurate shot on the player. My opinion is that Twins is a very powerful weapon that can take you to the top, when PROPERLY used. I do not use twins myself but I have had experience with it but I prefer Ricochet as my weapon of choice.

When PROPERLY used, ALL the other guns are more effective than the twins.

Smokey used to be less effective, but when properly used (and at the higher upgrades) is more effective than twins.

...it's when I properly use twins and the others do not properly use their guns (including twins), even at my rank, that I win.

[sometimes even against hackers and sabateurs, though then I need drugs to compete against the cheaters]

Edited August 19, 2015 by ChineseTankMan

[austen_pierce 1,948]

In my opinion is twins the most over-powered turret in game. I cannot beat twins m2 with any short range turret M2 and twins is mid-range not short range. When I am using hornet M3 and twins M3 with double damage come near me most of the time I am dead before I rotate my turret on enemy.

Same when attacked from behind with Fire, Freeze, and Isida. Any continuous fire weapon kills before a turret rotates a full 180

[Erik0015 1,607]

Same when attacked from behind with Fire, Freeze, and Isida. Any continuous fire weapon kills before a turret rotates a full 180

Yes, but these turrets are short range. How can mid range turret be good on short range like freeze ? When I use freeze M2 with Hornet M3  and twins/ Vikng M2 starts attacking me from behind I can rotate my turret on him but I will die. When there is same situation but Smoky M2 will starts attacking me I will lose more than half of health but I will survive. Same for short range maps like arena : Dominating weapons are Fire, Freeze and Twins. Twins users have strong advantage because twins is good same for maps like arena and Serpuhov. Users of fire or freeze cannot be playing same as mid and long range weapons there. And what about mammoth/twins ? If someone is using it with supplies in Polygon CP he is absolutely unbeatable. I played with one guy that was using Mammoth/Twins M2 and still had activated Double Damage, Double Armor and Repair Kit. After 60 minutes battle he had score 4500 and second best score was 3150. Guy with second best score was drugging too with combo dictator/thunder M2. He was drugging almost same than guy with best score. There you can see that difference between two druggers was 1350 POINTS ! If that Mammoth had fire, freeze, thunder or something else, his score could be 3500 or something like that, but with twins he was killing everyone really fast because of no reloading and he had great position because if we need to get point we need to fight him. Every time when we were on point we needed 4 druggers to kill him ( They were using only DD and DA not repair kits ). So this is why I think that twins is more strong than it should be

Edited August 20, 2015 by Erik0015

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Erik, use a sniper tank from a distance against the mammoth twins = problem solved
(as long as you have a teammate either healing you or defending you from attacks, the twins can't reach)

[austen_pierce 1,948]

Agreed... I hear you on the powerful combo of mammy and twins with drugs. But I don't follow that being an absolute dominant while camping on Polygon CP. All it takes even at close range is a couple of firebirds to toast his marshmallows. And if he's really camping on the capture point that tells me the opposing team did not have their act together. The single point in that map is a convergence zone... No one lasts more than ten or twenty seconds there. I believe you on the score discrepancy, but can only conclude that the opposing team was afraid of him, resulting in lone wolf approaches which obviously won't work against a heavy hull on drugs. That's not how to play CP.

[Erik0015 1,607]

Erik, use a sniper tank from a distance against the mammoth twins = problem solved

(as long as you have a teammate either healing you or defending you from attacks, the twins can't reach)

Don't forget that they had 8 players like we had. So if we have 3 players focused on mammoth they still have 7 more players playing against 5. They weren't bad players, they just had mammoth/twins with drugs what was giving them big advantage.

 

 

 

Agreed... I hear you on the powerful combo of mammy and twins with drugs. But I don't follow that being an absolute dominant while camping on Polygon CP. All it takes even at close range is a couple of firebirds to toast his marshmallows. And if he's really camping on the capture point that tells me the opposing team did not have their act together. The single point in that map is a convergence zone... No one lasts more than ten or twenty seconds there. I believe you on the score discrepancy, but can only conclude that the opposing team was afraid of him, resulting in lone wolf approaches which obviously won't work against a heavy hull on drugs. That's not how to play CP.

But he wasn't alone in there, he had teammates near him and 1 isida too. So when bunch of our tanks came his teammates took some damage to us and he still had almost full HP and Isida M3. He often died too but there were 1-2 players from our team that were staying on point and his teammates already spawned and right after we captured point ( If we survived ) they killed us and he was taking points because of kill assists. I said too that second best score had Dictator/Thunder that drugged double damage right after spawn and killed us all. So I was trying to say that Mammoth/Twins had best score because of so many kill assists and point captures and done really big difference in match because while his teammates were spawning he was still on point and was earning points

Edited August 20, 2015 by Erik0015

[v.999999 1]

The only good thing about twins is that there is no reload time.

Its main disadvantage is that it is not long ranged.

[canadarules 1,938]

twins wasps is decent if you know how to use it

great for stealing flags

knocks enemies fire off and u can get away fast with nitro

[Mahakala-Czadrupa 8]

When PROPERLY used, ALL the other guns are more effective than the twins.

Smokey used to be less effective, but when properly used (and at the higher upgrades) is more effective than twins.

...it's when I properly use twins and the others do not properly use their guns (including twins), even at my rank, that I win.

[sometimes even against hackers and sabateurs, though then I need drugs to compete against the cheaters]

 

 

I need drugs to compete against the cheaters]

 

Thats a main goal.

Probably this is a reason why anty cheat and saboteur mult mechanizm are still in "protres"

 

It is good for tanki economy, all need drag to compeet vs illegal techniks, so in fair fight you have no chance.

 

The same as with tanki economy reducing mission  profits.

 

At the end of day it is all about the economy... mean money.

 

[Mahakala-Czadrupa 8]

In my opinion is twins the most over-powered turret in game. I cannot beat twins m2 with any short range turret M2 and twins is mid-range not short range. When I am using hornet M3 and twins M3 with double damage come near me most of the time I am dead before I rotate my turret on enemy.

 

With draging all weapons are effective, this is plague and it is good for tanki economy.

People must buy crystal to buy suplies to fight in unfair fight.

 

Twins do not work any more propertly.

Hamerr is OP very much. Same as Vulcan.

But who cares, it is new weapon, nad must be sold in game.

 

Good for tanki economy.

Consume.

[Mahakala-Czadrupa 8]

Yes, but these turrets are short range. How can mid range turret be good on short range like freeze ? When I use freeze M2 with Hornet M3  and twins/ Vikng M2 starts attacking me from behind I can rotate my turret on him but I will die. When there is same situation but Smoky M2 will starts attacking me I will lose more than half of health but I will survive. Same for short range maps like arena : Dominating weapons are Fire, Freeze and Twins. Twins users have strong advantage because twins is good same for maps like arena and Serpuhov. Users of fire or freeze cannot be playing same as mid and long range weapons there. And what about mammoth/twins ? If someone is using it with supplies in Polygon CP he is absolutely unbeatable. I played with one guy that was using Mammoth/Twins M2 and still had activated Double Damage, Double Armor and Repair Kit. After 60 minutes battle he had score 4500 and second best score was 3150. Guy with second best score was drugging too with combo dictator/thunder M2. He was drugging almost same than guy with best score. There you can see that difference between two druggers was 1350 POINTS ! If that Mammoth had fire, freeze, thunder or something else, his score could be 3500 or something like that, but with twins he was killing everyone really fast because of no reloading and he had great position because if we need to get point we need to fight him. Every time when we were on point we needed 4 druggers to kill him ( They were using only DD and DA not repair kits ). So this is why I think that twins is more strong than it should be

 

Man ofcourse - about draging and double power double armor repair kit,

tanki developers take a siede clearly - the most problem is that You did not drag, and bad paint...

 

ALl draging weapon is OP.

Twins is easy target. Before You meet him he is eliminated

 

[Mahakala-Czadrupa 8]

Erik, use a sniper tank from a distance against the mammoth twins = problem solved

(as long as you have a teammate either healing you or defending you from attacks, the twins can't reach)

 

Yes.

Simply mass destruction weapon with range ability,

to solve a problem of repair kit.

 

Sudden Death technology.

Kil Him at once.

 

FOcus fire and enemy is history, he lose suplies, score

and it is good for tanki ecenomy he need buy new, and spend on this more than he earn in battle.

 

Thats is very good for tanki economy and fore destroying draging tactice.

[Mahakala-Czadrupa 8]

Agreed... I hear you on the powerful combo of mammy and twins with drugs. But I don't follow that being an absolute dominant while camping on Polygon CP. All it takes even at close range is a couple of firebirds to toast his marshmallows. And if he's really camping on the capture point that tells me the opposing team did not have their act together. The single point in that map is a convergence zone... No one lasts more than ten or twenty seconds there. I believe you on the score discrepancy, but can only conclude that the opposing team was afraid of him, resulting in lone wolf approaches which obviously won't work against a heavy hull on drugs. That's not how to play CP.

 

True - and center win...

And i find opinion in game that dragers are impotents.

There should be done some science work about this, becouse meaby there is some pathology around this technik of game. People hate them very much and probably it have take a result on theirs health.

 

Interesting, do tanki take some research about it?

 

[Mahakala-Czadrupa 8]

Don't forget that they had 8 players like we had. So if we have 3 players focused on mammoth they still have 7 more players playing against 5. They weren't bad players, they just had mammoth/twins with drugs what was giving them big advantage.

 

 

 

But he wasn't alone in there, he had teammates near him and 1 isida too. So when bunch of our tanks came his teammates took some damage to us and he still had almost full HP and Isida M3. He often died too but there were 1-2 players from our team that were staying on point and his teammates already spawned and right after we captured point ( If we survived ) they killed us and he was taking points because of kill assists. I said too that second best score had Dictator/Thunder that drugged double damage right after spawn and killed us all. So I was trying to say that Mammoth/Twins had best score because of so many kill assists and point captures and done really big difference in match because while his teammates were spawning he was still on point and was earning points

 

Man, so all team was stroneg draging + tactic

[dilsharox 2,395]

Just as boring to use as Isidia, IMO. 

 

In my opinion, this weapon is powerful BUT boring, and that is why I don't want to waste my crystals on it. You maybe know that I want to get every weapon M2, but in fact, no - every weapons except Twins.

^

[Erik0015 1,607]

Man ofcourse - about draging and double power double armor repair kit,

tanki developers take a siede clearly - the most problem is that You did not drag, and bad paint...

 

ALl draging weapon is OP.

Twins is easy target. Before You meet him he is eliminated

 

Beat easily Mammoth with double armor, double damage and hiding isida with double damage near him. It's not as easy as you say

 

Man, so all team was stroneg draging + tactic

They weren't all drugging, they had 3-4 Druggers

1. Mammoth/Twins

2. Dictator/Thunder

3. Viking/Isida

These guys were drugging still. But Mammoth/Twins with DD wasn't giving chance when his teammates damaged us while he was hiding. I never said that we weren't killing him but that twins killed 3-4 players from our team and his teammates just finished us ( we weren't using repairs ). If that mammoth had weapon like freeze ( that are needed to reload ) he could be dead really soon. 

+ I forgot to say that he was using loam paint ( good fire protection ) and probably he was big buyer because when we changed turrets he changed paint to have protection against the most of our weapons

Edited August 21, 2015 by Erik0015

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Thats a main goal.

Probably this is a reason why anty cheat and saboteur mult mechanizm are still in "protres"

 

It is good for tanki economy, all need drag to compeet vs illegal techniks, so in fair fight you have no chance.

 

The same as with tanki economy reducing mission  profits.

 

At the end of day it is all about the economy... mean money.

 

Thanks but not quite.

I noticed that Daily Missions had resulted in a far higher amount of cheaters.

The Hackers and Saboteurs now had the crystals/supplies to drug in addition to their cheating.

I guess most cheaters cannot afford to buy crystals, so Daily Missions ended up with more unfair play.