Let's Discuss Mammoth!

[misafeco 713]

Are there ANY advantages to mammoth over titan? I actually like how it looks.

Pros:

More weight (less likely to flip)

More pushing power

Better turret placement

Better lateral acceleration (I don't know if this is normal acceleration or something else)

More HP (M0)

 

Cons:

Worse reverse acceleration (how fast you can stop your hull)

Worse top speed

Worse turning speed

Less HP (M1, M2)

 

About the same:

Turning acceleration

Anti-inertial turning acceleration (how fast you can stop the turning of your hull)

HP (M3, M4)

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Pros:

Better lateral acceleration (I don't know if this is normal acceleration or something else)

lateral expression describes the amount of "drift sideways" -vs- "stick to the curve line like on rails"

The more lateral acceleration you have, the more it keeps you on in tracks like you drive around a curve on rails.

If you have less lateral acceleration, you drift.

You will notice the difference between Hunter-vs-Viking and Wasp-vs-Hornet.

 

Due to the speed and weight of Mammut / Titans you won't notice much of a drift anyways, in neither of them. The difference is more a theoretical benefit, then a practically noticeable advantage.

 

 

 

The only advantage I can make use (personal opinion, owning both) off with a Mammuth is the better turret placement; but the "agility" of the Titan outweights this for me. The pushing power maybe makes sense if you play drug-battles, where you dope yourself back to life.. because usually those heavies die before they made a serious amount of benefit through pushing.

Edited January 29, 2017 by BlackWasp777

[misafeco 713]

lateral expression describes the amount of "drift sideways" -vs- "stick to the curve line like on rails"

The more lateral acceleration you have, the more it keeps you on in tracks like you drive around a curve on rails.

If you have less lateral acceleration, you drift.

You will notice the difference between Hunter-vs-Viking and Wasp-vs-Hornet.

 

Due to the speed and weight of Mammut / Titans you won't notice much of a drift anyways, in neither of them. The difference is more a theoretical benefit, then a practically noticeable advantage.

 

 

 

The only advantage I can make use (personal opinion, owning both) off with a Mammuth is the better turret placement; but the "agility" of the Titan outweights this for me. The pushing power maybe makes sense if you play drug-battles, where you dope yourself back to life.. because usually those heavies die before they made a serious amount of benefit through pushing.

Thanks for explanation. Where is the normal acceleration though? I can't find it on Wiki.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

As far as I heard they took the parameter away and "replaced it with power" (although power was stated beforehand as well.. but let's not be picky on them).

 

Following the idea that games often copy the basic principles of natural physics and just alter them, I assume that the acceleration of a tank correlates to the power-to-weight-ratio (power divided by weight) for each tank.

This means that we "simply ignore" the physical power>to>tourge translation, which comes through gearing.. but I think we are good off to assume that all tanks have the same gearing (I doubt they made a parameter for that) and therefore power translates into torge with the _same_ ratio for _all_ tanks.

So in the end [power divided by weight] should give a good indication, which tank accelerates fastest.

 

I never gave it a try to check this correlation in terms of figures, as the change was made at the same time when they changed Wasp slower and less agile + they swapped Vikings stats with Hunters stats. By this single update they f*cked up my two hulls at that time, and I was so *.........happy -.-  * about that, so I did not think about the acceleration thing in detail.

Edited January 29, 2017 by BlackWasp777

[Duck2001 5]

"There is no match for this one's armor, although your grandmother would beat it in a race."

Assuming "armor" is protection, that statement is only true for the M0 Mammoth: 1350 vs 1505.

The M1 Titan has more armor than the M1 Mammoth: 1895 vs 1817.

The M2 Titan has more armor than the M2 Mammoth: 2986 vs 2830.

The M3 Titan has the same amount of armor as the M3 Mammoth: 3376 vs 3376.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

"There is no match for this one's armor, although your grandmother would beat it in a race."

Assuming "armor" is protection, that statement is only true for the M0 Mammoth: 1350 vs 1505.

The M1 Titan has more armor than the M1 Mammoth: 1895 vs 1817.

The M2 Titan has more armor than the M2 Mammoth: 2986 vs 2830.

The M3 Titan has the same amount of armor as the M3 Mammoth: 3376 vs 3376.

Literally every one of those descriptions are inaccurate, along with a lot of the loading screens. Someday I'll take screenshots of all the outdated and false garage descriptions and loading screen tips and request that they stop misleading some poor noob who thinks Viking is "incredibly stable". LOL

[Apex_Predator 537]

why would anyone get Mamouth M3 now ? it have the same parametres as Titan M3 but Titan is faster, way faster, so no ONE will get Mamouth m3 anymore..it will be more rare than Xt lol

Edited March 8, 2017 by Apex_Predator

[Duck2001 5]

why would anyone get Mamouth M3 now ? it have the same parametres as Titan M3 but Titan is faster, way faster, so no ONE will get Mamouth m3 anymore..it will be more rare than Xt lol

The Mammoth looks multitudes better than the Titan.

In regards to speed, I could deal with 0.43 m/s less speed for a tank that I'm proud of.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Duck2001

[Rattlesnake28535 3]

Sometimes I marvel at noobs who think its a good idea to use this turret with Isaida, Firebird, Freeze, and Hammer. 

This was a real conversation:

 

Noob: Why can't I kill anyone?

Me: Why can't you?

Noob: They run away too fast and hit me, and I can't use my firebird to kill them.

Me: Try changing to a faster hull.

Noob: But it says this one has the best armour, and I'll die if I use anything else.

Me: Then use a long range turret.

Noob: But it would take to long to reload. I like my firebird and mammoth.

Me: Welp. Enjoy dying.

Noob: You'll see. 

 

Statistics at end of round showed that he got NO kills. 

 

 

LOL  :D

[Rattlesnake28535 3]

Also, I agree that if you want a slow-speed, high-armour hull, that the Titan is way better.

[tankcalm 324]

i have mamouth M3, and to be honest, Titan M3 is way better now, in EVREYTHING, i regret byuing it and i'm get titan M3 as soon as I can.

Edited March 9, 2017 by tankcalm

[misafeco 713]

I like my Mammoth M2 (with Vulcan). The stability and turret placement is a big + compared to Titan. The speed or armor needs to be boosted though.

[Rattlesnake28535 3]

Yeah... It is nice when used with a Vulcan, Shaft, Thunder, or any other long range gun... I am just saying it's no good with short range guns.

[5HADOW 249]

Armor needs to be boosted. The description says "There is no match for this one's armor", yet Titan has more at M1/M2/M3.

[enri_chill 265]

i have mamouth M3, and to be honest, Titan M3 is way better now, in EVREYTHING, i regret byuing it and i'm get titan M3 as soon as I can.

I love the titan and never really use the mammoth, but the mammoth has a superior turret placement for peek-a-boo fighting, superior pushing power for moving enemies and getting gold boxes. I have considered buying the m3 simply for those few advantages. The titan is horrible at pushing. I think the wasp is more powerful;)

[Viking4s 10,791]

is the Mammy higher than the Titan?
for example if both Mammy and Titan under the gold box, which one will get it?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

is the Mammy higher than the Titan?

for example if both Mammy and Titan under the gold box, which one will get it?

The Mammoth, if it's front is under the gold box. The back isn't very high.

[Viking4s 10,791]

The Mammoth, if it's front is under the gold box. The back isn't very high.

I need at the highest point. You don't know it, but the hit box is  a rectangular cuboid which is bigger than the visual aspect of the hull. The computer sees the hitbox, you only see the hulls with the paint.

 

See below an example for the dictator: Hitbox in yellow/orangy

 

Edited March 21, 2017 by Viking4s

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I need at the highest point. You don't know it, but the hit box is  a rectangular cuboid which is bigger than the visual aspect of the hull. The computer sees the hitbox, you only see the hulls with the paint.

 

See below an example for the dictator: Hitbox in yellow/orangy

 

As a matter of fact I do know about the hitboxes, I discovered it while

 

a) firing at Dictator with railgun

 

b ) bumping into the air around those burned-out titan-firebird corpses on some maps

 

c) learning about it on the forum and wiki.

 

Since the hitbox would be the smallest rectangle possible to fit around the entire tank, I would assume Mammoth has a higher hitbox than Titan, because it has a higher highest point.

[Viking4s 10,791]

As a matter of fact I do know about the hitboxes, I discovered it while

 

a) firing at Dictator with railgun

b ) bumping into the air around those burned-out titan-firebird corpses on some maps

c) learning about it on the forum and wiki.

 

Since the hitbox would be the smallest rectangle possible to fit around the entire tank, I would assume Mammoth has a higher hitbox than Titan, because it has a higher highest point.

I lagged both of them through drops and it was very close, too close to be conclusive.

Then i tried both under a drop, titan won, but i was lagging. not conclusive either.

[lakdak_GTi 0]

I love combination of mammoth and thunder. Its too big!!!!!! and strong!!!!!!

[splitterpoint 10,986]

why would anyone get Mamouth M3 now ? it have the same parametres as Titan M3 but Titan is faster, way faster, so no ONE will get Mamouth m3 anymore..it will be more rare than Xt lol

 

i have mamouth M3, and to be honest, Titan M3 is way better now, in EVREYTHING, i regret byuing it and i'm get titan M3 as soon as I can.

I wish you guys good luck with Boat M3.

[uppsetbananol15 7]

dude its slower than your grand mother but i think m3 shaft + m3 mamoth + any m3 protection :lol:

[chrissaimon 25]

I call this hull "TheFatDude".

[chrissaimon 25]

I dont really care that titan is better than mammoth. I'm just using it with railgun M1.