Let's discuss Wasp!

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Wasp and Hornet are the same thing these days

They are completely different, but in such a way that one is far worse than the other.

[venomb6 6]

They are completely different, but in such a way that one is far worse than the other.

In terms of stats they are almost identical, and your right, hornet is wayyyyy worse.

[Nicola_M 1,563]

In terms of stats they are almost identical, and your right, hornet is wayyyyy worse.

I dunno.  I started off on Wasp M0 and M1 from Recruit to W02, I think it was. Then went to Hornet M2.

The only time I went back to Wasp was on Lost Temple DM where it fit into a neat hiding place you could make A LOT of kills from. [sigh]

Now Lost Temple's gone from regular battles I'd hate to go back to Wasp.

Edited May 13, 2018 by Nicola_M

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

In terms of stats they are almost identical, and your right, hornet is wayyyyy worse.

They are not identical. Wasp is far more unstable, prone to rocking, has very bad acceleration, is faster, and makes tight turns. Hornet is much more responsive, slower, more stable, and is prone to drifting. In my opinion Hornet is far better. You can say Wasp is faster on paper, but in practice the poor acceleration really negates that speed advantage.

[venomb6 6]

*admits defeat* 
can someone please explain to me why Wasp has either the same or more health than Hornet at all upgrades except m0?

[gokuMI6 1,290]

*admits defeat* 

can someone please explain to me why Wasp has either the same or more health than Hornet at all upgrades except m0?

Because Hornet is the most used one

So the Dev's thought lets give Wasp better statistics so it will be sold more  ;)

[venomb6 6]

Not going to lie, wasp is straight trash these days, the devs whine about the hardship of game balance, when wasp is trash and they don't care in the slightest.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Not going to lie, wasp is straight trash these days, the devs whine about the hardship of game balance, when wasp is trash and they don't care in the slightest.

Devs whine about game balance? That's new.

 

Regardless, the current plan to differentiate hulls of the same class from each other is to give each hull a unique Overdrive. Wasp, for example, will be able lay a bomb, while Hornet gets a lame Overdrive, the ability to see through walls.

 

In my opinion this is a poor way to balance things, but alas.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Devs whine about game balance? That's new.

 

Regardless, the current plan to differentiate hulls of the same class from each other is to give each hull a unique Overdrive. Wasp, for example, will be able lay a bomb, while Hornet gets a lame Overdrive, the ability to see through walls.

 

In my opinion this is a poor way to balance things, but alas.

Yeah it is, but they will cut down the drugs in the game.

Less spawn killing sessions by a group of overdriven enemies.

 

Do you know the different upcoming alts for all hulls?

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Why do i miss shots too much when playing against wasp [XP/BP]

 

They make me miss even the closest shots , and i can not do it

 

Do they have less hit box ?

 

Isn't hornet acceleration is greater

[nemoetnihil 388]

They are not identical. Wasp is far more unstable, prone to rocking, has very bad acceleration, is faster, and makes tight turns. Hornet is much more responsive, slower, more stable, and is prone to drifting. In my opinion Hornet is far better. You can say Wasp is faster on paper, but in practice the poor acceleration really negates that speed advantage.

I think it comes down to opinion. I use Wasp, both my brothers use Hornet. I can't stand the way their Hornets handle. The drifting drives me crazy, and the lack of rocking makes it harder to hit people. I actually find it easier to flip Hornet, I must be crazy.

[gokuMI6 1,290]

 

Crazy brother , if you have good timing you can flip XP guys as well , but fliping wasp's are more easy

[nemoetnihil 388]

Should have clarified, easier to flip while driving, because I drive into things. Wasp flips easier from knock back and recoil.

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Should have clarified, easier to flip while driving, because I drive into things. Wasp flips easier from knock back and recoil.

Oh ok

 

Wasp is still easy to flip

 

Wait till the Hull OD to see wasps rooling CTF,ASL,RGB battles :ph34r:

Edited June 4, 2018 by gokuMI6

[nemoetnihil 388]

Oh ok

 

Wasp is still easy to flip

 

Wait till the Hull OD to see wasps rooling CTF,ASL,RGB battles :ph34r:

Perhaps, but it is also easier to flip back over (provided it is on its side of course). I just can't control Hornet at all, the drifting makes me want to throw something.

Edited June 4, 2018 by nemoetnihil

[gokuMI6 1,290]

perhaps, but it is also easier to flip back over (provided it is on its side of course). I just can't control Hornet at all, the drifting make me want to throw something.

I use it cause of the drift , easy to do some things , but having more length is pain

But BP have less hit box and if you can turn & brake well  you will find oponents mising their shots  

[splitterpoint 10,986]

To me the drift is always a downside I have Hornet on a couple of mid rank alts. with Wasp

, unfortunately you need to rely on teammates to charge in the enemy base because you don't want to stop to fire at enemies.

 

You want to keep your top speed and use the manoeuvrability to get away. If your hull skids in the process you'll bump into crap and increase the likelyhood of being shot by some long range turret.

 

In these situations you don't need stability or that dumb acceleration. It's totally dependant on playstyle but to wish for better acceleration either means you're not a true CTF Player and you need to correct your driving, or your team sucks in the attack.

Edited June 6, 2018 by splitterpoint

[gokuMI6 1,290]

To me the drift is always a downside I have Hornet on a couple of mid rank alts. with Wasp

, unfortunately you need to rely on teammates to charge in the enemy base because you don't want to stop to fire at enemies.

 

You want to keep your top speed and use the manoeuvrability to get away. If your hull skids in the process you'll bump into crap and increase the likelyhood of being shot by some long range turret.

 

In these situations you don't need stability or that dumb acceleration. It's totally dependant on playstyle but to wish for better acceleration either means you're not a true CTF Player and you need to correct your driving, or your team sucks in the attack.

Ever caped a flag with Hornet ?

 

To test them just go to XP/BP battles and watch

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Ever caped a flag with Hornet ?

 

To test them just go to XP/BP battles and watch

Yes I did, but I am mainly a Wasp player. Not with ego-gun but with Freeze, Isida and Firebird.. man you can really make use of that grip.

The thing really steers trough obstacles like it's nothing; it's pretty satisfying and it helps when you chase enemies in cluttered spaces.

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Yes I did, but I am mainly a Wasp player. Not with ego-gun but with Freeze, Isida and Firebird.. man you can really make use of that grip.

The thing really steers trough obstacles like it's nothing; it's pretty satisfying and it helps when you chase enemies in cluttered spaces.

Ok  Sry for that question i was fired when you talked about my fav abilty of Hornet

 

Ego-gun=Rail ? :lol:

 

Yes the grip is good

But we can never win a argument on Wasp VS Hornet

Same as Hunter VS Viking

 

See you prefer Wasp  while I prefer Hornet

 

I am a NFS player who like to make cars drift

In my eyes Hornet looks like a Race car  :wub:

 

But i agree that there are many advantages that wasp has that race car do not have :(

[Potdindy 866]

Keep this wasp/hornet discussiion going.  Also, I noticed in the poll, Smoky was the second highest turret to go with wasp. Can someone explain why this is so? Rail is good because you only reveal yourself long enough to shoot...Fire/Freeze is good because it speed lets you only reveal yourself for a short moment. With smoky, you have to be in line of sight long enough to get multiple shots off. I enjoy wasp smoky, but it never feels as good as rail/thunder or short rangers

 

Here the second highest rated turret is smoky. In the hornet forum, smoky isnt anywhere near the top. What is the difference?

Edited June 7, 2018 by Potdindy

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Keep this wasp/hornet discussiion going.  Also, I noticed in the poll, Smoky was the second highest turret to go with wasp. Can someone explain why this is so? Rail is good because you only reveal yourself long enough to shoot...Fire/Freeze is good because it speed lets you only reveal yourself for a short moment. With smoky, you have to be in line of sight long enough to get multiple shots off. I enjoy wasp smoky, but it never feels as good as rail/thunder or short rangers

 

Here the second highest rated turret is smoky. In the hornet forum, smoky isnt anywhere near the top. What is the difference?

Wasp Smoky , Is good for taking down big hulls 

it is the suicide combo for Smoky 

We can circle satrafe easy with wasp using smoky

 

Also wasp has best speed you combine it with Smoky's reload , So you just need to run shooting enemies 

Rail/Thunder+Wasp is more like a hide & shoot combo 

 

While Smoky+Wasp is Rocky combo = Sting like a bee and fly like butterfly 

 

But I like Horent+Smoky obivously

 

just watch this video why Hornet is good with Smoky

just watch the smoky part , other parts also good

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGY6wKK_xnk

 

 

[Person_Random 4,991]

If it were faster...

[LittleWillie 3,199]

You now lose 10 points for a self-destruct not just 5.  This has a negative effect n Wasp. Wasp is easy for enemies to ti over. It is hard to see why this weakness of Wasp was made even more severe/

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Really -10 points, like a full kill?

 

Ohh well, lets quit using light hulls immediately and start using medium hulls. The hell with hull variety anyway.