Let's Discuss Supplies!

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Topic merged

 

You are completely correct. There is nothing wrong with using supplies and using them does not automatically make you a "coward" or less skilled. The only reason people despise druggers is because most of the time they can't afford to buy supplies and therefore can't answer to druggers by using their own. They get destroyed and complain.

Mostly true for my reasoning, also I'm not very good at using them strategically.

But still, don't you find it a little bad that I can lose to some M0 Wasp-Firebird with Double Damage? It's happened, and I know for a fact I can beat a combo from the Gefrieter rank.

[BSG-62 512]

​There's nothing wrong with using supplies (drugs) but the problem is when people make them permanent by doing nothing more than pressing 1-2-3-4-5 and becoming omnipotent and genuinely annoying.  

[i_dont_pay_for_gear 14]

The situation now reminds me what it use to be when I first started Tanki few years ago (I have few accounts) - it's a drugers game and they are not going to change it because people pay for it. How do I fight it? I am out in the middle of every game with excessive drugers.

 

Just as we can play with one Turret, Hull and paint at a time, there should be a limit to use one drug at a time (unless it's on the filed). The use of drugs makes it boring, no need for skills just for money. 

[i_dont_pay_for_gear 14]

Topic merged

 

You are completely correct. There is nothing wrong with using supplies and using them does not automatically make you a "coward" or less skilled. The only reason people despise druggers is because most of the time they can't afford to buy supplies and therefore can't answer to druggers by using their own. They get destroyed and complain.

That make it a game just for paying people!!! if that is the way to play. I am out of every game that these is a huge drugers in it... that way you;l only have few paying players and bye bye for the game. 

[Tank_Destroyer_MKII 3]

If drugging is the order of the day then all I ask of Tanki is to remove repair kits as a supply that is accessed by the keyboard. As a pick up, that's fine but not as a buyable supply.

 

I am sick to death of seeing repair kits used nearly every time on small maps such as Noise when they are running the flag. It is such a small map there is little chance of destroying them, especially when they already have double armour active.

[FoolishRail 12]

I'm fine facing druggers who have about the same equipment as me, but I get quite frustrated when someone buys crystals on low ranked alt accounts and drugs on top of that.

 

Here's an example: I was playing on my low ranked account and I saw a Staff Sergeant with Predator Kit (Thunder m1, Hunter m1, Jaguar) fully drugging and 1shotting almost everyone in the game. It's impossible to face this as thunder and hunter are two of the best m1s, and are simply OP with drugs. It was clear that this was an alternate account, because this player was skilled at turning his turret and driving, two skills that can only be developed through experience.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

I was playing on my low ranked account and I saw a Staff Sergeant with Predator Kit (Thunder m1, Hunter m1, Jaguar) fully drugging and 1shotting almost everyone in the game. It's impossible to face this as thunder and hunter are two of the best m1s, and are simply OP with drugs. It was clear that this was an alternate account, because this player was skilled at turning his turret and driving, two skills that can only be developed through experience.

I have a theory on players like that -- despite their constant buying and drugging, they still find it hard to play against players of their own skill level, because in reality they aren't skilled at all. So they make an alternate account and go to "noob servers" and blow up newer players just to make them feel better about themselves.

 

To be honest, while it's annoying and definitely wrong, it's also really sad. I pity people who didn't choose to play the game with skill because they took the "easy way" and got addicted to using drugs.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Why do think we can't buy them?

Is it because we're...

And this'll make you think...

UNABLE to win against them to join them?

Honestly, WHY do you THINK we complain?

Because your "drugging" is annoying and impossible to deal with.

I don't FEEL like I've won because I was smarter when I drug, I just won because I had the tactical nuke launcher and he had a musket.

I understand they keep the game running, but that does not entitle them to floss their teeth with us. Oh, you bought yourself some crystals? Go brag to someone who will give a damn.

To sum up what my point is, HOW do we get the supplies when we can't earn enough crystals in a game to get them?

I will NEVER understand this.

[Peyton2956 6]

i think if u find a supply on the ground it is 100% fair

and if u use like double damage or double armor only like once or twice it's fine

BUT, if u use those 2 every time u see an enemy, it's just annoying and unfair

if u use a repair kit PERIOD, it's unfair, there's a reason there's only a few repair kits on each map, a lot only have 2 or 3 they shouldnt even SELL repair kits in the garage

if u use speed boost, it's no big deal it just makes u a bit faster

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

i think if u find a supply on the ground it is 100% fair

and if u use like double damage or double armor only like once or twice it's fine

BUT, if u use those 2 every time u see an enemy, it's just annoying and unfair

if u use a repair kit PERIOD, it's unfair, there's a reason there's only a few repair kits on each map, a lot only have 2 or 3 they shouldnt even SELL repair kits in the garage

if u use speed boost, it's no big deal it just makes u a bit faster

I agree -- if there's a supply drop an you pick it up, it's fair. Don't call a person a drugger for literally PICKING SOMETHING UP OFF THE GROUND. It's called effective map control, not cheating.

 

If you drug with double damage or double armor, I think you're being unfair. Not to say that I've never drugged, 'cause I have, but I think the only case in which it's okay to drug is when you're counter-drugging someone who drugged. (Not someone who picked up a supply drop, mind you)

 

Now, I don't know if this is just me or not, but my computer sometimes processes that I hit the 1 key when I didn't. As such I use a lot of repair kits without even trying -- some save my life, some are just wasted. If this is a problem with the software and not my hardware, I'd highly suggest a patch. But yes, using repair kits purposely is unacceptable, unless you're counter-drugging someone who already drugged.

 

And I'm actually pretty glad most people don't mind my nitro addiction. I like going fast, it's fun. Sue me. XD

[Gigalink 116]

I have a theory on players like that -- despite their constant buying and drugging, they still find it hard to play against players of their own skill level, because in reality they aren't skilled at all. So they make an alternate account and go to "noob servers" and blow up newer players just to make them feel better about themselves.

 

To be honest, while it's annoying and definitely wrong, it's also really sad. I pity people who didn't choose to play the game with skill because they took the "easy way" and got addicted to using drugs.

I noticed that a lot of heavy druggers suck so bad once they are confronted by another person that can drug them back(a.k.a. me) but has more skill bc I'm used to getting kills and avoiding damage WITHOUT drugs. Most heavy druggers usually put themselves in terrible tactical positions that leaves them exposed bc they are used to surviving easily on repair. Most of them also use their repair kit too early, too. All I have to do is activate DA first then my repair kit AFTER them, then they just wither and die a slow agonizing death.

[TG159 734]

Nerfed repair kit in tanki x

[MajorFrontRow 13]

I understand drugging when you're new at the game. You're a noob then, you don't know any better. But when you reach higher ranks ... I honestly don't get it. At higher levels, I expect players to have moved beyond basic blow-em-up fun to more strategic gameplay.

 

Apparently not.

 

Drugs are the reason that I almost exclusively play pro battles on the Russian servers. I will GLADLY surrender 5,000 crystals a month for the privilege of not dealing with Zeus/M4 Mammoths/M4 Vulcans that use non-stop double power drugs and then use health power-ups right before they overheat.

 

If Tanki ever stops offering pro passes and pro battles, then you can go ahead and write Tanki's obituary. And on the tombstone, it will read "Killed by Drugs." 

[Burger-N-Fries 0]

Topic merged

 

You are completely correct. There is nothing wrong with using supplies and using them does not automatically make you a "coward" or less skilled. The only reason people despise druggers is because most of the time they can't afford to buy supplies and therefore can't answer to druggers by using their own. They get destroyed and complain.

Exactly !!! To add to drugs (supplies) are not going away and are part of the game....so a player can either learn to deal with them or be very unhappy playing a game that is supposed to bring some enjoyment. 

 

Personally I have 7 accounts and I spend real money on 3 of them. The game offers me an advantage if I pay for it and I use that advantage. I don't mind heavy druggers. Usually the "234" players are not that skilled anyway and with some decent tactics can be easily dealt with. I try to use my supplies as tactically as possible and time the use to fit the needs of my team and I.

 

If people did not buy supplies then Tanki would not be the cool game it is today...so those of you that seem to think that "drugs" will be the death of Tanki....you are quite wrong..."drugs" are the heart, soul and life blood that keeps Tanki alive and well. Business 101 folks...got to have cash flow to stay in business. Take away the drugs and ability to buy an advantage and the game will quickly  die. The Devs don't work for free you know.

[Burger-N-Fries 0]

One more thing about ground supplies....Please be mindful of what you have activated, your health and what your team mates have activated and their health....so annoying when you are about to die and your team mate with full health runs over the med box, or a guy with all 3 supplies activated and runs over what ever supply is there when it would have been better for both team members to have boosted parameters instead of one. Don't take a med box from an Isida either even if you are lower on health....let the Isida have the med box and have that player heal you

 

OK rant over :)

[Burger-N-Fries 0]

OK rant not over yet...LOL...If you play tactically to use the ground supplies to your advantage I believe that will beat a heavy drugger all day long. At least in my case this is the truth. I try to play to where the supplies are at and I can dominate with out using any of my "bought" supplies.

 

If I play for a couple hours a day I can make a few thousand crystals in that time ( maybe 2K-4K depending) I mostly upgrade my turrets and hulls with those winnings...I have been playing a very long time and have a few accounts

[KrystenHunt16 128]

Exactly !!! To add to drugs (supplies) are not going away and are part of the game....so a player can either learn to deal with them or be very unhappy playing a game that is supposed to bring some enjoyment. 

Most of us don't want supplies (supply boxes that fall from the sky) to go away completely. They're a crucial part of gameplay, and they make effective map control even more important. However, drugs (supplies used by pressing the 1-4 keys) are extremely overpowered. Did you know that you can pop a DD or DA and then a Repair Kit with zero cooldown? I don't care what you have to say, that's OP.

 

Don't believe me? Try it. I'll wait.

 

Basically what your first paragraph told me is "Druggers are overpowered. You have three options: become a drugger, lose constantly, or get out." For a game that promotes itself by saying it's "based on teamwork", that's hardly fair.

 

Personally I have 7 accounts and I spend real money on 3 of them. The game offers me an advantage if I pay for it and I use that advantage.

That's cool. It's kinda dumb in my opinion, but that's cool. If you wanna buy, go buy. But if you're buying just because you can't win without your "store-bought" advantage, you've got a problem.

 

Usually the "234" players are not that skilled anyway and with some decent tactics can be easily dealt with. I try to use my supplies as tactically as possible and time the use to fit the needs of my team and I.

When you get to my rank,

 

...Okay, not this rank, but 2nd Lieutenant (the rank of my currently banned-for-stupid-reasons alt),

 

When you get to 2nd Lieutenant, you'll notice that your store-bought advantage is going away. Right now you're chill because you've got a store-bought kit. You have M1 Vulcan and M1 Hunter, and Sakura Paint. Your K/D is through the roof. You think you're special, am I right? Don't gimme that shake of the head, I know you do.

 

Well you're not special. Anybody can get that kit. Anybody can buy drugs. Anybody, including myself, can take you out, because anybody can spend money on this game. You, Burger-N-Fries, you are not special. You're just a buyer who's happy with the temporal product.

 

But come 2nd Lieutenant, you'll get stomped all over and forgotten. You'll be mutilated every round and you'll wonder why. And then after feeling what it's like to be a loser for several rounds, after that K/D takes a dip into the negative zone, you'll quit and start a new account. THAT is Tanki's marketing strategy -- making people have to start over because they're too lazy to develop actual skill before reality hits them.

 

I don't know about you, but I really think that's crappy. It's shoddy, it's unfair to free players, it's unfair to payed players, and it just gets them more money. Tanki doesn't care about the buyer. They don't care about the Preemie. They care about money, and that's IT.

 

Make your own judgment, I'm done rambling.

[TG159 734]

I know I said I was done here... But be happy it's not like back then when u don't have cool downs at all...

[BSG-62 512]

I know I said I was done here... But be happy it's not like back then when u don't have cool downs at all...

I'm glad at least that was done before i joined the game. Still though, i think more can and certainly should be done. When I first read about the game, I saw that it said 'temporary boosts from supplies, both from the garage and picked up in the battlefield'. That's fine. I thought it was great and it still is but the problem comes when people make them a permanent thing. All they do is mash 1-2-3-4-5 and voila!, 2 supplies active all the time. If you are using Hornet M1, a light hull, having Double Armour means you have more protection that far slower Dictator M2 that is unlocked at far higher level. Press '2' and you have the damage of a partly micro-upgraded M3+ Shaft, except with less reload. That is the only problem that i have with druggers.

[TG159 734]

I'm glad at least that was done before i joined the game. Still though, i think more can and certainly should be done. When I first read about the game, I saw that it said 'temporary boosts from supplies, both from the garage and picked up in the battlefield'. That's fine. I thought it was great and it still is but the problem comes when people make them a permanent thing. All they do is mash 1-2-3-4-5 and voila!, 2 supplies active all the time. If you are using Hornet M1, a light hull, having Double Armour means you have more protection that far slower Dictator M2 that is unlocked at far higher level. Press '2' and you have the damage of a partly micro-upgraded M3+ Shaft, except with less reload. That is the only problem that i have with druggers.

You simply will never appreciate smart cooldown becuz u joined after it got added.

[BSG-62 512]

You simply will never appreciate smart cooldown becuz u joined after it got added.

Sounds like should just be happy it isn't as bad now, right?

[TG159 734]

Nag I liked it xD

[Burger-N-Fries 0]

Most of us don't want supplies (supply boxes that fall from the sky) to go away completely. They're a crucial part of gameplay, and they make effective map control even more important. However, drugs (supplies used by pressing the 1-4 keys) are extremely overpowered. Did you know that you can pop a DD or DA and then a Repair Kit with zero cooldown? I don't care what you have to say, that's OP.

 

Don't believe me? Try it. I'll wait.

 

Basically what your first paragraph told me is "Druggers are overpowered. You have three options: become a drugger, lose constantly, or get out." For a game that promotes itself by saying it's "based on teamwork", that's hardly fair.

 

That's cool. It's kinda dumb in my opinion, but that's cool. If you wanna buy, go buy. But if you're buying just because you can't win without your "store-bought" advantage, you've got a problem.

 

When you get to my rank,

 

...Okay, not this rank, but 2nd Lieutenant (the rank of my currently banned-for-stupid-reasons alt),

 

When you get to 2nd Lieutenant, you'll notice that your store-bought advantage is going away. Right now you're chill because you've got a store-bought kit. You have M1 Vulcan and M1 Hunter, and Sakura Paint. Your K/D is through the roof. You think you're special, am I right? Don't gimme that shake of the head, I know you do.

 

Well you're not special. Anybody can get that kit. Anybody can buy drugs. Anybody, including myself, can take you out, because anybody can spend money on this game. You, Burger-N-Fries, you are not special. You're just a buyer who's happy with the temporal product.

 

But come 2nd Lieutenant, you'll get stomped all over and forgotten. You'll be mutilated every round and you'll wonder why. And then after feeling what it's like to be a loser for several rounds, after that K/D takes a dip into the negative zone, you'll quit and start a new account. THAT is Tanki's marketing strategy -- making people have to start over because they're too lazy to develop actual skill before reality hits them.

 

I don't know about you, but I really think that's crappy. It's shoddy, it's unfair to free players, it's unfair to payed players, and it just gets them more money. Tanki doesn't care about the buyer. They don't care about the Preemie. They care about money, and that's IT.

 

Make your own judgment, I'm done rambling.

LOL...you mad bro??? I have much experience over 2nd Lieutenant, I have been playing for about 3 years now. As a matter of fact you can ask the Author of this thread. I was in a clan that he was the leader of back in the day call ArchAngels with my "DirtFighter" account. Back then his name was "Fool4Christ" and he changed it to what it is now before he was on staff at Tanki. 

If it was not for buyers Tanki would not exist. Do you think the Developers would build and update this game out of the kindness of their hearts??? I think you know the answer to that. 

 

I never claimed to be "special" either. I don't know where you got that idea from I'm just an average guy playing and chiming in on an opinion topic. 

 

Look for my players some time...maybe you can show me your skills!!! :)

 

Burger-N-Fries

SlaveToTheGrind

Bad-Chicken

Rooster_Cruiser

Fluffy_Hamster

LilDirtFighter (my son's account)

DirtFighter

 

See you around player

 

PS.I believe you will notice that none of my accounts have a "negative" K/D ratio...and yes I have been stomped into the ground in this game. I learned how to play better every time I got stomped 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Burger-N-Fries

[Burger-N-Fries 0]

You simply will never appreciate smart cooldown becuz u joined after it got added.

LOL...I remember those days...druggers where very hard to deal with..... "234" and it was on!!! 

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

LOL...I remember those days...druggers where very hard to deal with..... "234" and it was on!!! 

Dang, I remember those days too! Druggers didn't have to worry about things like cooldowns or what not, they'd just smash the top number keys and turn into Godmode_ON!

 

But nowadays, druggers are more sophisticated. Drugging is less of a wild rampage and more of a play style. It's still overpowered as hell, don't get me wrong, but they have to be tricky about it. Which, in turn, makes them more deadly, and more overpowered.

 

I don't think smart cooldowns got rid of druggers. Addicts just adapted and found new ways to be addicts...

Edited February 13, 2016 by AlphaNinjaGirl