Let's Discuss Supplies!

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Play a drug war on the test server, just spamming the number keys :D Yeah but non buyers could wreck with that drug kit.

Well if EVERYONE has an unlimited supply of drugs like on the test server, I've got no problem. People have no right to complain there because they can get as much drugs as they want. It's only unfair when MOST are using drugs and those that aren't have a massive disadvantage that ruins the fun.  Of course, drugs are part of the game and will not be removed, but there are many good ideas to increase cooldowns, reduce their power, set up a limit per battle, etc.  The latter is my favorite.

[illi2104 55]

So I should be instantly banned for disliking druggers?  Of course you think they are great because you use them; if your account was, say, blocked from using drugs would you like them so much?  Try to see other's point of view before being so harsh and narrow-minded.

No, I did not say that anybody should be banned for not liking druggers. I said that players who drop other players' feelings by keeping constantly yelling in every battles' chats about players who use drugs should be banned. There is a clear difference, and I think it is you who is narrow-minded here as you suggest players who _use_ drugs should be banned. Have you ever seen people yelling about usage of micro-upgrades, having a certain rank or something like that? I didn't think so, only supply users are always being yelled at like that although supplies are just a similar game feature/property as any one of those I listed. That was my point, got it? I would never even suggest banning players who use micro-upgrades, for example.

[dan146_tanker 770]

I don't know about you guys, but I watch a lot of YouTube. And on YouTube I've been getting spammed with MMO games to play. So supplies don't really bother me much. Mostly 'cause other games are more fun than Tanki. I know loads. If you guys don't like supplies just leave and play another game. There are many more out there and I personally don't think Tanki is worth playing anymore. Devs only care about the money so supplies unfortunately will remain. But other games don't have such things.

[Gabe2607 499]

No, I did not say that anybody should be banned for not liking druggers. I said that players who drop other players' feelings by keeping constantly yelling in every battles' chats about players who use drugs should be banned. There is a clear difference, and I think it is you who is narrow-minded here as you suggest players who _use_ drugs should be banned. Have you ever seen people yelling about usage of micro-upgrades, having a certain rank or something like that? I didn't think so, only supply users are always being yelled at like that although supplies are just a similar game feature/property as any one of those I listed. That was my point, got it? I would never even suggest banning players who use micro-upgrades, for example.

I really cannot get your point. Micro upgrades (recommended only for M3) are PERMANENT changes. Ranking is not giving any advantage. Drugs are TEMPORARY i.e. crystals/money wasted to feel cool and damage other players who did not want to waste (throw resources temporarily) as you.

 

Furthermore one drug multiplies by 2 your power or protection. Do you know how many microupgrades are required to do that? Between 90 and 110...

[EscapeVelocity 8]

Furthermore one drug multiplies by 2 your power or protection.

I don't have a lot of supplies but I will use the ones I am given. I don't save them up like you do. I don't see why you should go around yelling at people for using them while you're choosing to abstain. What are you scared of? Nobody will think any less of you. You haven't opted out of daily missions have you and I'm sure you have got plenty!

 

And on another note, when you're playing CP battles, it's not about how many enemies you destroy, it's about the points. Just a friendly piece of advice. Hope you take it because you'll become a better player if you do.

[Gabe2607 499]

I don't have a lot of supplies but I will use the ones I am given. I don't save them up like you do. I don't see why you should go around yelling at people for using them while you're choosing to abstain. What are you scared of? Nobody will think any less of you. You haven't opted out of daily missions have you and I'm sure you have got plenty!

 

And on another note, when you're playing CP battles, it's not about how many enemies you destroy, it's about the points. Just a friendly piece of advice. Hope you take it because you'll become a better player if you do.

1) You are smart enough to have understood I do have plenty of drugs. Most druggers just say I am poor...

2) I do not use them because they are the worse problem by far of this otherwise lovely game. It is an issue who has to be modified or this game will... tank! Any sense in drugging and complaining?

3) Thanks for the picture, but my point basically was "if I am first in points and kills without drugging, how noob other players (generally drugging like you) are?

[illi2104 55]

I really cannot get your point. Micro upgrades (recommended only for M3) are PERMANENT changes. Ranking is not giving any advantage. Drugs are TEMPORARY i.e. crystals/money wasted to feel cool and damage other players who did not want to waste (throw resources temporarily) as you.

 

Furthermore one drug multiplies by 2 your power or protection. Do you know how many microupgrades are required to do that? Between 90 and 110...

Gabe, it is totally irrelevant to compare the effects of microupgrades and supplies, my point is in no way related to that. (If you still like to compare them, remember that microupgrades are a permanent change while supplies only last a few tens of seconds, you said it yourself). My point is that everyone should have a freedom to select their own style of playing and have the right to play in their own chosen style without having to listen to that everlasting whining, yelling and complaining about their style of playing. Be it (the style) supplies, microupgrades, certain turrets or hulls, whatever, let the players choose their playing style and stop yelling in chats. ok? Every player has the exact same chance of getting supplies as everyone else, so there is nothing unfair related to that. The only thing there is is that some players are just so stupid that they don't want to use them even though they are given to them for free. Instead they only want to yell and whine. That's really silly and makes playing not so funny anymore, that's what I have meant when I have talked about dropping of other players' feelings.

 

Players that refuse to use supplies have claimed in game chats for example that it is more skillful to not use drugs. That is absurd. Players who use drugs need to master 5 more keys than players who don't. I find it a very desirable skill to, for example, hit 2 just before a rail or shaft hits you or 1 at the exact optimal moment when you are taking the enemy flag. Claiming that someone becomes more skillful without utilizing some very useful game feature is as intelligent a claim as saying that I become more skillful if I play with my eyes closed. How stupid do you have to be to value that kind of skills not required by the game?

 

Another claim is related to usage of real money. I think that's quite absurd a claim as well. I don't know if there are any statistics on what players use their crystals on most when they have bought crystals with real money, but what difference would it make anyway? Personally I don't use real money for this game but who am I to blame anyone who does? I am supposed to be thankful to everyone who supports the developers by using real money on this, as that is the thing that makes it possible for us others to play this for free. It's just plain natural that nobody would develop this kind of a game for free, also claiming that someone should do something like that is just plain absurd.

 

I also find it quite selfish and cocky that some people take the right to state their own rules that the game does not have (like 'drugging is not allowed' or 'killing is not allowed when gold box is dropping' etc.) I'm wondering what makes people think they are above others like that.

Edited November 12, 2016 by illi2104

[Gabe2607 499]

Gabe, it is totally irrelevant to compare the effects of microupgrades and supplies, my point is in no way related to that. (If you still like to compare them, remember that microupgrades are a permanent change while supplies only last a few tens of seconds, you said it yourself). My point is that everyone should have a freedom to select their own style of playing and have the right to play in their own chosen style without having to listen to that everlasting whining, yelling and complaining about their style of playing. Be it (the style) supplies, microupgrades, certain turrets or hulls, whatever, let the players choose their playing style and stop yelling in chats. ok? Every player has the exact same chance of getting supplies as everyone else, so there is nothing unfair related to that. The only thing there is is that some players are just so stupid that they don't want to use them even though they are given to them for free. Instead they only want to yell and whine. That's really silly and makes playing not so funny anymore, that's what I have meant when I have talked about dropping of other players' feelings.

 

Players that refuse to use supplies have claimed in game chats for example that it is more skillful to not use drugs. That is absurd. Players who use drugs need to master 5 more keys than players who don't. I find it a very desirable skill to, for example, hit 2 just before a rail or shaft hits you or 1 at the exact optimal moment when you are taking the enemy flag. Claiming that someone becomes more skillful without utilizing some very useful game feature is as intelligent a claim as saying that I become more skillful if I play with my eyes closed. How stupid do you have to be to value that kind of skills not required by the game?

 

Another claim is related to usage of real money. I think that's quite absurd a claim as well. I don't know if there are any statistics on what players use their crystals on most when they have bought crystals with real money, but what difference would it make anyway? Personally I don't use real money for this game but who am I to blame anyone who does? I am supposed to be thankful to everyone who supports the developers by using real money on this, as that is the thing that makes it possible for us others to play this for free. It's just plain natural that nobody would develop this kind of a game for free, also claiming that someone should do something like that is just plain absurd.

 

I also find it quite selfish and cocky that some people take the right to state their own rules that the game does not have (like 'drugging is not allowed' or 'killing is not allowed when gold box is dropping' etc.) I'm wondering what makes people think they are above others like that.

I totally disagree... again.

 

1) MUs should be made on M3 only, otherwise it is stupid (and I have been stupid...) and it is not style, just logics. But the point is that you can arrive to M4 and that is it. Everyone will get there eventually and gradually. Once there you cannot go further. Now drugs... "Every player has the exact same chance of getting supplies"... how wrong is that sentence? A guy wasting money has unlimited drugs, a guy doing missions has... 20/30 drugs a day? Enough to keep up for a single 15 minutes battle?

 

2) Sometimes press P and watch druggers. They generally rely on their superior power to literally go through other tanks. No team strategy, no individual strategy and so many Gismos (now Legends) not even turning turret. Simply brutal force: they go against a tank and press numbers. On the other side, non druggers have to learn to survive and it is extremely difficult since most players drug. But only hard times make you stronger. Try without drugging and you will see how much you have to rely on your skills only, making them better. PS.: I would agree that using 5 additional buttons would require some skills, but that would make sense if all players would have unlimited supplies or exactly the same amount.

 

3) Do you pay to use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Wikipedia, Ebay, Whatsap, etc.? Money can easily come from advertising (traffic). Should continue to come from paints, maybe shapes, plate numbers, whatever aesthetic. Tournaments. Or could come from a specific section where druggers wanted to play the way the play now. But basic/public battles should have equal opportunities for all players.

 

4) I never wrote drugs are not allowed in a chat and nobody would accept anyway. I will always write that drugging is stupid, because it remains a waste of resources (you always lose more crystals than you gain, except one battle now and then) and an unfair game-play towards other users.

[illi2104 55]

I totally disagree... again.

 

1) MUs should be made on M3 only, otherwise it is stupid (and I have been stupid...) and it is not style, just logics. But the point is that you can arrive to M4 and that is it. Everyone will get there eventually and gradually. Once there you cannot go further. Now drugs... "Every player has the exact same chance of getting supplies"... how wrong is that sentence? A guy wasting money has unlimited drugs, a guy doing missions has... 20/30 drugs a day? Enough to keep up for a single 15 minutes battle?

 

2) Sometimes press P and watch druggers. They generally rely on their superior power to literally go through other tanks. No team strategy, no individual strategy and so many Gismos (now Legends) not even turning turret. Simply brutal force: they go against a tank and press numbers. On the other side, non druggers have to learn to survive and it is extremely difficult since most players drug. But only hard times make you stronger. Try without drugging and you will see how much you have to rely on your skills only, making them better. PS.: I would agree that using 5 additional buttons would require some skills, but that would make sense if all players would have unlimited supplies or exactly the same amount.

 

3) Do you pay to use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Wikipedia, Ebay, Whatsap, etc.? Money can easily come from advertising (traffic). Should continue to come from paints, maybe shapes, plate numbers, whatever aesthetic. Tournaments. Or could come from a specific section where druggers wanted to play the way the play now. But basic/public battles should have equal opportunities for all players.

 

4) I never wrote drugs are not allowed in a chat and nobody would accept anyway. I will always write that drugging is stupid, because it remains a waste of resources (you always lose more crystals than you gain, except one battle now and then) and an unfair game-play towards other users.

 

Yeah, I disagree, too, but I comment only on this one: it is not true that you don't have enough drugs without using real money. Buying supplies (using crystals earned from battles, missions etc.) in large kits gives them in addition to those you get directly from missions. At least for me that has been enough. However, now the developers seem to have removed those large supply kits, which I think has been a huge mistake (in fact this discussion started - at least as far as I have been concerned - when I asked why those large supply kits had disappeared).  A completely different matter is the usage of real money (I still don't understand why it is always taken into supply discussions) but (only as a sidenote) even that is fair and even to everyone, as everyone has the same chance to decide whether to use real money on this game or not. Equally well somebody could use real money to finally get MUs with the bought crystals, so should that lead - or would it be fun if it led - to people whining and yelling at MU users?

[Gabe2607 499]

Yeah, I disagree, too, but I comment only on this one: it is not true that you don't have enough drugs without using real money. Buying supplies (using crystals earned from battles, missions etc.) in large kits gives them in addition to those you get directly from missions. At least for me that has been enough. However, now the developers seem to have removed those large supply kits, which I think has been a huge mistake (in fact this discussion started - at least as far as I have been concerned - when I asked why those large supply kits had disappeared).  A completely different matter is the usage of real money (I still don't understand why it is always taken into supply discussions) but (only as a sidenote) even that is fair and even to everyone, as everyone has the same chance to decide whether to use real money on this game or not. Equally well somebody could use real money to finally get MUs with the bought crystals, so should that lead - or would it be fun if it led - to people whining and yelling at MU users?

1) you used 24,409 drugs in 354.8 hrs, which is 1.15 drugs per minute. You played an average of 75 minutes per day or 86 drugs per day. Considering you were getting 25 drugs per day from missions, you are short 61 drugs per day. Buying the 1200 drugs kit, you would cover 98 days. I believe the kit had a cost of 105,000 crystals so you have to make 1071 crystals per day, which in your case is 214 crystals per 15 minutes battle. With a K/D of 1.17 I do not see it possible... certainly you are suffering against heavier druggers and now without the kit available... you complain :D

 

2) I believe you do not know microupgrades that well. Each step gives a... 0.5% increase (roughly). How can you compare that with the sudden +200% (damage and armour) given by drugs (plus health/speed/mines)?

[illi2104 55]

1) you used 24,409 drugs in 354.8 hrs, which is 1.15 drugs per minute. You played an average of 75 minutes per day or 86 drugs per day. Considering you were getting 25 drugs per day from missions, you are short 61 drugs per day. Buying the 1200 drugs kit, you would cover 98 days. I believe the kit had a cost of 105,000 crystals so you have to make 1071 crystals per day, which in your case is 214 crystals per 15 minutes battle. With a K/D of 1.17 I do not see it possible... certainly you are suffering against heavier druggers and now without the kit available... you complain :D

 

2) I believe you do not know microupgrades that well. Each step gives a... 0.5% increase (roughly). How can you compare that with the sudden +200% (damage and armour) given by drugs (plus health/speed/mines)?

So ad hominem was finally your best shot? :D I doubt your values are incorrect but that is not really significant. It is just so sad if that kind of reasoning has made the style of playing go away that I and many more valued the most.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

No, I did not say that anybody should be banned for not liking druggers. I said that players who drop other players' feelings by keeping constantly yelling in every battles' chats about players who use drugs should be banned. There is a clear difference, and I think it is you who is narrow-minded here as you suggest players who _use_ drugs should be banned. Have you ever seen people yelling about usage of micro-upgrades, having a certain rank or something like that? I didn't think so, only supply users are always being yelled at like that although supplies are just a similar game feature/property as any one of those I listed. That was my point, got it? I would never even suggest banning players who use micro-upgrades, for example.

1. I never said anything about banning people who use drugs. My most radical suggestion was banning drugs but I know that's not going to work or happen.  However, I never even thought about banning drug users. I don't know where you got that, maybe you should read my post and try to understand it better.

 

2. Have I ever seen people yelling about micro-upgrades? No, I haven't. Maybe people only complain about drugs for a reason. ;)  MU/s and drugs are so different you can't even compare their relative power increase.

 

3. You forget that most players here are kids. You can't just ban them for being mad at druggers. If you say the reason they should be banned is they are hurting other player's feelings for using a legit item in-game, you could also say the druggers brought it upon themselves.  

When you spam the number keys you should be aware that you are ruining the game experience for many, and not whine when people get mad at you.

[illi2104 55]

1. I never said anything about banning people who use drugs. My most radical suggestion was banning drugs but I know that's not going to work or happen.  However, I never even thought about banning drug users. I don't know where you got that, maybe you should read my post and try to understand it better.

 

2. Have I ever seen people yelling about micro-upgrades? No, I haven't. Maybe people only complain about drugs for a reason. ;)  MU/s and drugs are so different you can't even compare their relative power increase.

 

3. You forget that most players here are kids. You can't just ban them for being mad at druggers. If you say the reason they should be banned is they are hurting other player's feelings for using a legit item in-game, you could also say the druggers brought it upon themselves.  

When you spam the number keys you should be aware that you are ruining the game experience for many, and not whine when people get mad at you.

 

1. I apologize if I have misinterpreted your message.

2. I agree that comparing the effects of MUs and supplies is irrelevant, actually I also mentioned that in an earlier post of mine. Maybe MUs are not complained as much as supplies as they are not visible in the same way in the game. After all I still find it very unfair that one way of improving your tank is generally accepted while another one is not even though both ways are equally valid according to the game rules.

3. No, I don't forget that. Actually you can quite often find me reminding people of not swearing etc. in chats because there may be children present. I very often play Tanki with my daughter. However, there is a reason for the chats having moderators and also the kids should learn to chat respectfully. A common consequence for not chatting appropriately is banning and I am suggesting and would be very happy to see that consequence being applied also to players blaming other players for playing according to the game rules.

I would not call at least my usage of supplies "spamming of number keys", but that is a minor point. More important is that it should not ruin anyone's game experience if other players are doing what is fully acceptable in the game. Instead of starting to whine about it, they should remember that they have an equal chance to do the same. If they choose not to, it is their own choice which does not give a right to complain. I understand that there are many players who want to play without supplies and I have also understood that it is already possible in pro battles (I haven't ever used a pro pass so I don't know for sure). So, in my opinion they should go and play there and not whine in the regular battles. If that is not enough them, then they should ask the developers to develop some more battle options, or whatever they want and think is necessary. I'm only asking that players who want to use supplies could safely and in piece without any kind of nagging play this game the way they want.

Edited November 13, 2016 by illi2104

[Gabe2607 499]

1. I apologize if I have misinterpreted your message.

2. I agree that comparing the effects of MUs and supplies is irrelevant, actually I also mentioned that in an earlier post of mine. Maybe MUs are not complained as much as supplies as they are not visible in the same way in the game. After all I still find it very unfair that one way of improving your tank is generally accepted while another one is not even though both ways are equally valid according to the game rules.

3. No, I don't forget that. Actually you can quite often find me reminding people of not swearing etc. in chats because there may be children present. I very often play Tanki with my daughter. However, there is a reason for the chats having moderators and also the kids should learn to chat respectfully. A common consequence for not chatting appropriately is banning and I am suggesting and would be very happy to see that consequence being applied also to players blaming other players for playing according to the game rules.

I would not call at least my usage of supplies "spamming of number keys", but that is a minor point. More important is that it should not ruin anyone's game experience if other players are doing what is fully acceptable in the game. Instead of starting to whine about it, they should remember that they have an equal chance to do the same. If they choose not to, it is their own choice which does not give a right to complain. I understand that there are many players who want to play without supplies and I have also understood that it is already possible in pro battles (I haven't ever used a pro pass so I don't know for sure). So, in my opinion they should go and play there and not whine in the regular battles. If that is not enough them, then they should ask the developers to develop some more battle options, or whatever they want and think is necessary. I'm only asking that players who want to use supplies could safely and in piece without any kind of nagging play this game the way they want.

Why would you "incentivate" your daughter to play a war game? I can see very useful social discussions such as: "Sweetie, use drugs to destroy tanks and do not worry if they get mad at you. Drugs are legal here and dad loves to use them".   :D

[illi2104 55]

Why would you "incentivate" your daughter to play a war game? I can see very useful social discussions such as: "Sweetie, use drugs to destroy tanks and do not worry if they get mad at you. Drugs are legal here and dad loves to use them".   :D

Sorry but I do not understand any of what you mean. Could you elaborate a bit, please.

[inthehouse81 34]

I totally disagree... again.

 

1) MUs should be made on M3 only, otherwise it is stupid (and I have been stupid...) and it is not style, just logics. But the point is that you can arrive to M4 and that is it. Everyone will get there eventually and gradually. Once there you cannot go further. Now drugs... "Every player has the exact same chance of getting supplies"... how wrong is that sentence? A guy wasting money has unlimited drugs, a guy doing missions has... 20/30 drugs a day? Enough to keep up for a single 15 minutes battle?

 

2) Sometimes press P and watch druggers. They generally rely on their superior power to literally go through other tanks. No team strategy, no individual strategy and so many Gismos (now Legends) not even turning turret. Simply brutal force: they go against a tank and press numbers. On the other side, non druggers have to learn to survive and it is extremely difficult since most players drug. But only hard times make you stronger. Try without drugging and you will see how much you have to rely on your skills only, making them better. PS.: I would agree that using 5 additional buttons would require some skills, but that would make sense if all players would have unlimited supplies or exactly the same amount.

 

3) Do you pay to use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Wikipedia, Ebay, Whatsap, etc.? Money can easily come from advertising (traffic). Should continue to come from paints, maybe shapes, plate numbers, whatever aesthetic. Tournaments. Or could come from a specific section where druggers wanted to play the way the play now. But basic/public battles should have equal opportunities for all players.

 

4) I never wrote drugs are not allowed in a chat and nobody would accept anyway. I will always write that drugging is stupid, because it remains a waste of resources (you always lose more crystals than you gain, except one battle now and then) and an unfair game-play towards other users.

I do agree that we have more skill against buyers with their hard core drugging skills. But I as a medium drugger don't use 20-30 drugs in a 15 min match. I use 0-2 Repair Kits, 2 DA, 2-3 DD, 2-3 speed boosts and 0-2 mines. And I don't earn 20-30 drugs a day, at my rank. I earn 10-15 if all my missions are supply missions.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

I would not call at least my usage of supplies "spamming of number keys", but that is a minor point. More important is that it should not ruin anyone's game experience if other players are doing what is fully acceptable in the game. Instead of starting to whine about it, they should remember that they have an equal chance to do the same. If they choose not to, it is their own choice which does not give a right to complain.

 

I understand that there are many players who want to play without supplies and I have also understood that it is already possible in pro battles (I haven't ever used a pro pass so I don't know for sure). So, in my opinion they should go and play there and not whine in the regular battles. If that is not enough them, then they should ask the developers to develop some more battle options, or whatever they want and think is necessary. I'm only asking that players who want to use supplies could safely and in piece without any kind of nagging play this game the way they want.

First part... you don't think it "ruins anyone's game experience" when a group on opposite side constantly drugs to the point where non-druggers can't fight back? Spawn-die-spawn-die-spawn-die. Etc.  I'd say that experience is less than enjoyable.

Not everyone has the $$ to buy supplies so many do not have "equal chance to do the same". An equal chance would be where everyone competes on same resources (game-accumulated crystals). If some divert crystals to supplies while others divert crystals to new equipment that is "equal chance".

 

Second part - there are not enough pro battles. So tankers who don't like supplies have very few battles to choose from.

How about this - reverse it. If you want to use supplies buy a pro-battle pass. How would you feel about that?

[illi2104 55]

First part... you don't think it "ruins anyone's game experience" when a group on opposite side constantly drugs to the point where non-druggers can't fight back? Spawn-die-spawn-die-spawn-die. Etc.  I'd say that experience is less than enjoyable.

Not everyone has the $$ to buy supplies so many do not have "equal chance to do the same". An equal chance would be where everyone competes on same resources (game-accumulated crystals). If some divert crystals to supplies while others divert crystals to new equipment that is "equal chance".

 

Second part - there are not enough pro battles. So tankers who don't like supplies have very few battles to choose from.

How about this - reverse it. If you want to use supplies buy a pro-battle pass. How would you feel about that?

Well, I did not say exactly that, but that's fine. I still believe that it is an extremely rare situation where everyone on your opposite team is a buyer and noone in your own team is one. Everyone gets a fair number of supplies without using any real money (except that I don't know how that will go in the future as the best supply kits have now been removed from the game). After all, you always have a possibility to select another battle. But please, please do the selection silently without yelling anything to anyone in the chat first.

 

Yes, pro battles are not very many. Does that indicate that after all there are not so many players who definitely insist to play without supplies? Whatever the case, I already suggested that there should perhaps be own battles for those who definitely refuse to use their well earned supplies. If only you used all that energy to ask the developers to offer you such battles instead of whining to those who play the game in the way it is currently meant to be played.

 

Ps. If the game rules were changed so that supply users should battle in pro battles, at least I would not whine to them who play according to the rules. I would play according to the rules also then and remember that if I don't like the rules I will always have the last resort not to play.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

Does that indicate that after all there are not so many players who definitely insist to play without supplies?

Not at all.

 

It's the chicken-and-egg quandry. No one will buy the passes because there are few games to play if you do buy. 

 

Partly it means that we don't want to spend 5k on something we should have by default.

Why should we need to pay separately for that option? Why don't we all have a choice to play how we want?

 

You did not really answer my question. Would you mind it if Devs reversed the situation? Tankers who like supply-battles need to buy a pro pass instead?

[wolverine848 13,097]

I still believe that it is an extremely rare situation where everyone on your opposite team is a buyer and noone in your own team is one. Everyone gets a fair number of supplies without using any real money (except that I don't know how that will go in the future as the best supply kits have now been removed from the game). 

Either you've been lucky or you use more supplies than you indicate above.

 

There are so many lop-sided games recently - in large part because of supplies. In many games I've seen - to match the opposition one would need to use an entire weeks worth of "free supplies" in just one evening to compete.

 

And the best supply kits have not been removed from the game. They've been removed from the garage. But "buyers" can still get them in the shop.

[illi2104 55]

Not at all.

 

It's the chicken-and-egg quandry. No one will buy the passes because there are few games to play if you do buy. 

 

Partly it means that we don't want to spend 5k on something we should have by default.

Why should we need to pay separately for that option? Why don't we all have a choice to play how we want?

 

You did not really answer my question. Would you mind it if Devs reversed the situation? Tankers who like supply-battles need to buy a pro pass instead?

Wolverine, would you be so kind and stop twisting what I say. Please read my messages again until you really understand what I say in them, ok? I would not like to repeat myself as I think I have already addressed your questions. Maybe my answers just weren't the ones you would have wanted?

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I would not call at least my usage of supplies "spamming of number keys", but that is a minor point. More important is that it should not ruin anyone's game experience if other players are doing what is fully acceptable in the game. Instead of starting to whine about it, they should remember that they have an equal chance to do the same. I

Well, I checked out profiles. You have roughly 2.5 the experience points, number of kills, and number of deaths as I, 

 

You have used 24,420 supplies with th emost-used supply being  10,485 DA. 6,374 Repair kits were used.

 

LittleWillie has used 2,828 Supplies with the most used being 803 DA. 93 of the expensive Repair kits were used.

 

LittleWillie has 1,820 supplies still available and unused. So that means in just under 400,00 exp LittleWillie has gathered in 2,828 + 1,820 = 4,648 off all types of supplies in his career. Multiply that by 2.5 to bring him up to 1,000,000 exp and he'd have earned 11,620 supplies by then.

 

In comparison to that 11,620 of all types, you've used al,most the same number 10,485, just on DA alone. You used more Repair kits than I have earned for all 5 supply types!

 

I am not passing judgement on you. As you say it is part of the game. But you could not have gotten all those Repair Kits just from doing daily mssions. So you are a buyer.

 

Which is OK. I just want to point out to you that your experience in the game is drastically different from non-buyers. Your quiet assumption that excessive drugging is an option open to all players is simply wrong. Look at the numbers.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Wolverine, would you be so kind and stop twisting what I say. Please read my messages again until you really understand what I say in them, ok? I would not like to repeat myself as I think I have already addressed your questions. Maybe my answers just weren't the ones you would have wanted?

I answered your question quite concisely - "Not at all".

Please return the courtesy. 

 

(while everyone else can play no supplies by default) Would you support paying 5k crystals for a pro-pass that would enable you to use supplies?

[Gabe2607 499]

Well, I checked out profiles. You have roughly 2.5 the experience points, number of kills, and number of deaths as I, 

 

You have used 24,420 supplies with th emost-used supply being  10,485 DA. 6,374 Repair kits were used.

 

LittleWillie has used 2,828 Supplies with the most used being 803 DA. 93 of the expensive Repair kits were used.

 

LittleWillie has 1,820 supplies still available and unused. So that means in just under 400,00 exp LittleWillie has gathered in 2,828 + 1,820 = 4,648 off all types of supplies in his career. Multiply that by 2.5 to bring him up to 1,000,000 exp and he'd have earned 11,620 supplies by then.

 

In comparison to that 11,620 of all types, you've used al,most the same number 10,485, just on DA alone. You used more Repair kits than I have earned for all 5 supply types!

 

I am not passing judgement on you. As you say it is part of the game. But you could not have gotten all those Repair Kits just from doing daily mssions. So you are a buyer.

 

Which is OK. I just want to point out to you that your experience in the game is drastically different from non-buyers. Your quiet assumption that excessive drugging is an option open to all players is simply wrong. Look at the numbers.

Wow... slow start, but ended "in crescendo" :D. Playing over 1,000 hours I got 968 Repair Kits from Daily Missions. As you pointed out, he used 6,374 Repair Kits playing 356 hours. LOL

[illi2104 55]

Well, I checked out profiles. You have roughly 2.5 the experience points, number of kills, and number of deaths as I, 

 

You have used 24,420 supplies with th emost-used supply being  10,485 DA. 6,374 Repair kits were used.

 

LittleWillie has used 2,828 Supplies with the most used being 803 DA. 93 of the expensive Repair kits were used.

 

LittleWillie has 1,820 supplies still available and unused. So that means in just under 400,00 exp LittleWillie has gathered in 2,828 + 1,820 = 4,648 off all types of supplies in his career. Multiply that by 2.5 to bring him up to 1,000,000 exp and he'd have earned 11,620 supplies by then.

 

In comparison to that 11,620 of all types, you've used al,most the same number 10,485, just on DA alone. You used more Repair kits than I have earned for all 5 supply types!

 

I am not passing judgement on you. As you say it is part of the game. But you could not have gotten all those Repair Kits just from doing daily mssions. So you are a buyer.

 

Which is OK. I just want to point out to you that your experience in the game is drastically different from non-buyers. Your quiet assumption that excessive drugging is an option open to all players is simply wrong. Look at the numbers.

You and Gabe seem to be strangely interested in my personal matters. Are you paedophiles or something? :D No, I would just like to point out that anyone's personal matters or properties do not tell anything about the correctness of their arguments. Claiming that they do is an argumentation error called ad hominem.

 

If you still want to discuss my statistics, I can briefly answer to that although it is off-topic in this forum. You seem to be forgetting a few things: there used to be supply kits that contained 1200 pieces of every type of supply. Now they have been removed from the garage which I did not like at all. Anyway, I don't think I ever denied that I have bought them a few times. But buying them with crystals earned from missions and battles is still different kind of buying than buying crystals with real money. As my rank is higher than yours I have also had the time to earn more crystals than you have, also at higher rank battles you get more crystals than in lower rank battles. The statistics do not tell how much crystals you waste for MUs, or at least you did not mention them at all. I have not wasted almost any crystals for them. If you hadn't either, then you'd have had more to spend for supplies.