Let's Discuss Supplies!

[illi2104 55]

I answered your question quite concisely - "Not at all".

Please return the courtesy. 

 

(while everyone else can play no supplies by default) Would you support paying 5k crystals for a pro-pass that would enable you to use supplies?

I honestly don't know. Probably I would a few times in the beginning, and if I then felt that it is not okay for me, I would come up with improvement ideas and ask the devs to implement them, and also ask other people who feel in the same way as I do to do the same in order to increase the probability that the ideas get truly noted. Also, as weird as it may sound to you, I have also played periods without using any supplies, so maybe I would revert back to doing that. I would also have the option to leave Tanki. In each and every case I would not complain about the matter in the battle chats or blame other players for playing according to the rules.

 

By stubbornly keeping asking me this question you make me afraid that you miss my point: I would never ever complain about the situation to the other players who do play according to the current game rules or even like the rules, or blame them about the state of matters. The only direction I would communicate (if I communicated in the first place) would be towards the game makers.

Edited November 15, 2016 by illi2104

[inthehouse81 34]

Drugs don't ruin the game, they add a different style of game play, this is why Tanki is unique. If you want to play a game without power ups then choose a different game!! Or go PRO battle, or can you not afford to shell out 5k a month for PRO? Jeez how poor are you people. These buyers are the people that keep this game going, honestly. At M2 you should be fine with druggers, you can manage at M3, the supply missions are great, and if you know how to use pick ups wisely, you should have no problem. If you want to play a game without drugs, go PRO battle. As AlternativaPlatform will not change how drugs work !!!!

Edited November 15, 2016 by inthehouse81

[lukey0 27,543]

Supplies aren't powerful enough in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

TRIGGERED

 

 

 

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Supplies aren't powerful enough in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

TRIGGERED

 

 

 

Waiting for all the haters to jump on that comment. :ph34r:

[Gabe2607 499]

Drugs don't ruin the game, they add a different style of game play, this is why Tanki is unique. If you want to play a game without power ups then choose a different game!! Or go PRO battle, or can you not afford to shell out 5k a month for PRO? Jeez how poor are you people. These buyers are the people that keep this game going, honestly. At M2 you should be fine with druggers, you can manage at M3, the supply missions are great, and if you know how to use pick ups wisely, you should have no problem. If you want to play a game without drugs, go PRO battle. As AlternativaPlatform will not change how drugs work !!!!

Another kid commenting without reading previous posts... Quickly resuming... 1) There should be a DRUG Pass, not a PRO pass. Basic game for everyone where skills prevail, then 5K for those happy to waste. Beside that right now... how many PRO battles can I play with my Twins/Hunter?  2) Supply missions are great? You get around 10 drugs a day from missions: how can you keep up with druggers regularly using 20/25 per 15 minutes battle? 3) Game should get most money for online traffic and advertising, not from kids' crystals. 4) we have similar K/D, you drugging, me not LOL

[illi2104 55]

Another kid commenting without reading previous posts... Quickly resuming... 1) There should be a DRUG Pass, not a PRO pass. Basic game for everyone where skills prevail, then 5K for those happy to waste. Beside that right now... how many PRO battles can I play with my Twins/Hunter?  2) Supply missions are great? You get around 10 drugs a day from missions: how can you keep up with druggers regularly using 20/25 per 15 minutes battle? 3) Game should get most money for online traffic and advertising, not from kids' crystals. 4) we have similar K/D, you drugging, me not LOL

Could we concentrate on discussing the matter instead of attacking the person of other conversationalists, please?

 

I think it is really good that TO does not have adverts. They ruin many games and in some cases make them totally unusable.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Another kid commenting without reading previous posts... Quickly resuming... 1) There should be a DRUG Pass, not a PRO pass. Basic game for everyone where skills prevail, then 5K for those happy to waste. Beside that right now... how many PRO battles can I play with my Twins/Hunter?  2) Supply missions are great? You get around 10 drugs a day from missions: how can you keep up with druggers regularly using 20/25 per 15 minutes battle? 3) Game should get most money for online traffic and advertising, not from kids' crystals. 4) we have similar K/D, you drugging, me not LOL

Good...except I would just add that K/D isn't an indication of skill, and if you have a good k/d using lots of drugs, it especially becomes a worthless statistic.

[Gabe2607 499]

Waiting for all the haters to jump on that comment. :ph34r:

The only reply there is "give him/her the possibility to Press 9: 5,000 crystals to end the battle immediately with a victory"...

 

Could we concentrate on discussing the matter instead of attacking the person of other conversationalists, please?

 

I think it is really good that TO does not have adverts. They ruin many games and in some cases make them totally unusable.

1) Attacking? Kid is not an offense, but a fact. Most of the players are VERY young and their comments in line with their age.

 

2) Sponsor the gold box, the drops, advertising on the scenography: very easy and not affecting the game.

 

Why? There is nothing wrong with the pro pass and the 5k is so cheap the crystals can be made back with a couple of hours play. 

 

Why do you enter supply enabled battles and then complain about players using supplies? You know full well what style of battle you are entering and you should expect players to use supplies. 

 

If you had a pro pass you can play battles that dont have supplies and then you can use your 'skills' to win crystals instead of losing to 'noob' unskilled' druggers

 

 

After all if you are so skilled why do you keep playing with 'noob druggers' when you can win so many battles in pro games with your skills?

 

Try to have some logic for once.

 

1) 5K can be made with a couple of hours? Let's say 8 battles of 15 minutes: 625 crystals per battle? Really?

2) Druggers are inclined to waste resources. They should go into a DRUG Pass system. Pros are not inclined and basic battles should be the standard.

3) Again: how many PRO battles can I play right now with my Twins/Hunter?

4) Never said a PRO should beat druggers, especially because druggers play together (like you and your friends). Often I see a drugged tank being killed by an undrugged one and that is ridiculous. When (rarely) I see druggers losing a battle, I feel they should leave the game in shame. But my "noob" is a reference to the vast majority of users who just click drugs and run towards the flag and out. No team strategy, no skills. Once running out of drugs, they do not even try to play (and if they do, LOL). 4 vs 1, they still drug. 5 seconds at the end, they still drug. Against a troller, they drug. Winning 9-0 (CTF), they still drug. They drug and flip. They drug and fall from the cliff. A noob just wastes drugs constantly, no matter the situation. And finally they write "we won, noob" GLOL

[illi2104 55]

1) Attacking? Kid is not an offense, but a fact. Most of the players are VERY young and their comments in line with their age.

 

Do you know inthehouse81 in person? Or are you just trying to guess this personal property of his? Anyway, I was merely referring to this:

 

4) we have similar K/D, you drugging, me not LOL

Both age and K/D are players' properties that as themselves do not tell anything about whether the arguments stated by the players are correct or not. Therefore talking about them is completely irrelevant in the point of view of the matter being discussed and so I consider them as attacking. Remember what I said about ad hominem earlier? You refer to people's personal properties in the plain purpose of trying to prove that what they say is wrong while those properties are in no way related to that, or offending them as in the latter example.

[Gabe2607 499]

Do you know inthehouse81 in person? Or are you just trying to guess this personal property of his? Anyway, I was merely referring to this:

 

Both age and K/D are players' properties that as themselves do not tell anything about whether the arguments stated by the players are correct or not. Therefore talking about them is completely irrelevant in the point of view of the matter being discussed and so I consider them as attacking. Remember what I said about ad hominem earlier? You refer to people's personal properties in the plain purpose of trying to prove that what they say is wrong while those properties are in no way related to that, or offending them as in the latter example.

So if a user comes here and says "There should be Pokemon Go on all battles", I should reply logically and not a simple "get off, kid!"?

[illi2104 55]

So if a user comes here and says "There should be Pokemon Go on all battles", I should reply logically and not a simple "get off, kid!"?

inthehouse81 did not say anything about Pokemon, but you did (if you would like to learn more about argumentation errors, you can google also 'straw man').

 

Anyway, there is always a way to treat people respectfully. Calling names like noob and drugger is not that.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I honestly don't know. Probably I would a few times in the beginning, and if I then felt that it is not okay for me, I would come up with improvement ideas and ask the devs to implement them, and also ask other people who feel in the same way as I do to do the same in order to increase the probability that the ideas get truly noted. Also, as weird as it may sound to you, I have also played periods without using any supplies, so maybe I would revert back to doing that. I would also have the option to leave Tanki. In each and every case I would not complain about the matter in the battle chats or blame other players for playing according to the rules.

 

By stubbornly keeping asking me this question you make me afraid that you miss my point: I would never ever complain about the situation to the other players who do play according to the current game rules or even like the rules, or blame them about the state of matters. The only direction I would communicate (if I communicated in the first place) would be towards the game makers.

The problem is... we who use relatively few supplies are adversely affected by tankers similar to you who use lots of supplies.

 

You understand that right?

[wolverine848 13,097]

Drugs don't ruin the game, they add a different style of game play, this is why Tanki is unique. If you want to play a game without power ups then choose a different game!! Or go PRO battle, or can you not afford to shell out 5k a month for PRO? Jeez how poor are you people.

Try backreading a bit.

 

Choose a different game?  What do you mean?  A different battle?  How will that battle be different from the one I just left?

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

Anyway, there is always a way to treat people respectfully. Calling names like noob and drugger is not that.

Pretty sure you used the word pedophile on the previous page so... yeah. Don't be a hypocrite.

 

LittleWillie looked at your supply usage since you claimed not to be a big supply user. Proved your claims were... under-reporting.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Why? There is nothing wrong with the pro pass and the 5k is so cheap the crystals can be made back with a couple of hours play. 

 

Why do you enter supply enabled battles and then complain about players using supplies? You know full well what style of battle you are entering and you should expect players to use supplies. 

 

If you had a pro pass you can play battles that dont have supplies and then you can use your 'skills' to win crystals instead of losing to 'noob' unskilled' druggers

 

 

After all if you are so skilled why do you keep playing with 'noob druggers' when you can win so many battles in pro games with your skills?

 

You must have done a bit of back-reading so you already know why.

 

How about the Pro-Pass is for tankers who like supplies. If there are so many of you, it should not be a problem to find battles, correct?

[illi2104 55]

The problem is... we who use relatively few supplies are adversely affected by tankers similar to you who use lots of supplies.

 

You understand that right?

Yes, I understand that we are playing the same game and it seems to be an issue only to those who do not want to use supplies although they have plenty. As a solution I have suggested that they ask the devs to implement separate battles for them.

[Gabe2607 499]

inthehouse81 did not say anything about Pokemon, but you did (if you would like to learn more about argumentation errors, you can google also 'straw man').

 

Anyway, there is always a way to treat people respectfully. Calling names like noob and drugger is not that.

 

Considering that "anti-druggers" provided tons of formulas, arguments, suggestions and solutions on a topic called "Let's discuss Supplies", while druggers simply say "I never bought, or maybe few times, but how poor are you?", I kindly ask you next time to come out with some numbers proving your theories, Mr. 6375 Repair Kits coming free from Daily Missions.

 

Wikipedia: A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent. Do you recognize yourself?

[wolverine848 13,097]

Yes, I understand that we are playing the same game and it seems to be an issue only to those who do not want to use supplies although they have plenty. As a solution I have suggested that they ask the devs to implement separate battles for them.

I agree 100%  :)

[illi2104 55]

Pretty sure you used the word pedophile on the previous page so... yeah. Don't be a hypocrite.

 

LittleWillie looked at your supply usage since you claimed not to be a big supply user. Proved your claims were... under-reporting.

True, that word existed in one of my earlier posts. I asked a question as I started to feel that certain people were abnormally interested in my personal matters. I don't think asking a question is the same as calling names, but I still apologize if my question hurt somebody's feelings.

 

Also that latter claim is not exactly correct in my opinion. I remember saying that I don't think I am a heavy supply user (or something like that). So I was telling an opinion. I know that some people's opinions on that matter differ from mine and that is fine. But do we agree that my personal statistics (or anyone's personal opinions on my personal statistics) are not really relevant in this discussion that concerns supplies in the game?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It's kind of funny how the only people for drugs are those who have lots of them.... ;)

[illi2104 55]

Considering that "anti-druggers" provided tons of formulas, arguments, suggestions and solutions on a topic called "Let's discuss Supplies", while druggers simply say "I never bought, or maybe few times, but how poor are you?", I kindly ask you next time to come out with some numbers proving your theories, Mr. 6375 Repair Kits coming free from Daily Missions.

 

Wikipedia: A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent. Do you recognize yourself?

Ok, here are some numbers for you: 6375 repair kits means that at maximum the player in question can have bought 5 times a supply kit that contains 1200 repair kits (and 1200 pieces of each other supply type). I don't think 5 is a lot, but you have the right for your own opinion. Considering that during the years the player has been playing this game he has received a lot of repair kits also by other means, it is very unlikely that he has bought even 5 pieces of those supply kits. Was this the kind of thing you wanted to hear?

 

I was just wondering where that Pokemon so suddenly popped up from as nobody had mentioned it earlier. In my ears it sounded like 'refuting an argument that was not advanced by any opponent'.

Edited November 15, 2016 by illi2104

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

But do we agree that my personal statistics (or anyone's personal opinions on my personal statistics) are not really relevant in this discussion that concerns supplies in the game?

I would say they are only relevant if connected directly to the discussion. Gives context.

 

In this case, supply usage by a tanker is directly connected to the discussion of supplies.  You can look up mine. I use them - i don't  deny that.

If I'm fighting a team that regularly uses them I don't really have a choice.

 

But I would prefer to not have to use them. I would prefer to have battles where they can be turned off. Unfortunately there are not enough tankers with Pro-Passes to make it workable. Simply not enough battles to meet the needs of daily missions.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I was just wondering where that Pokemon so suddenly popped up from us nobody had mentioned it earlier. In my ears it sounded like 'refuting an argument that was not advanced by any opponent'.

She was providing an example of why you don't always need a logical response to be correct.

[illi2104 55]

I would say they are only relevant if connected directly to the discussion. Gives context.

 

In this case, supply usage by a tanker is directly connected to the discussion of supplies.  You can look up mine. I use them - i don't  deny that.

If I'm fighting a team that regularly uses them I don't really have a choice.

 

But I would prefer to not have to use them. I would prefer to have battles where they can be turned off. Unfortunately there are not enough tankers with Pro-Passes to make it workable. Simply not enough battles to meet the needs of daily missions.

I have to disagree with that. Any individual's doings have nothing to do with the general discussion on the game. It might have been different if complete statistics on _every_ player had been brought up as a mass. The more fundamental flaw here was however that the statistics were brought up in the purpose of trying to prove that something the individual says is wrong because of those statistics.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Ok, here are some numbers for you: 6375 repair kits means that at maximum the player in question can have bought 5 times a supply kit that contains 1200 repair kits (and 1200 pieces of each other supply type). I don't think 5 is a lot, but you have the right for your own opinion. Considering that during the years the player has been playing this game he has received a lot of repair kits also by other means, it is very unlikely that he has bought even 5 pieces of those supply kits. Was this the kind of thing you wanted to hear?

 

It's all relative I guess. I've used around 1,100 supply kits. Actually surprised it's that high. Likely due to CTF battles as that's where they get used most.  That seems normal as the flag carrier has huge target on back.  It's when tankers just spam RK so they won't die in CP or CTF when they are not even near the flag just because they refuse to die... that's where it goes off the rails.

 

5x1200 supply kit bought with just in-game crystals costs how much?  500k crystals?  More?

By General rank an avg tanker might have accumulated 1M crystals (not counting gold boxes or premuim bonuses).

So half of total in-game wealth spent on Supplies?