Let's Discuss Supplies!

[wolverine848 13,097]

I have to disagree with that. Any individual's doings have nothing to do with the general discussion on the game. It might have been different if complete statistics on _every_ player had been brought up as a mass. The more fundamental flaw here was however that the statistics were brought up in the purpose of trying to prove that something the individual says is wrong because of those statistics.

I don't think we'll agree on this. So it's an agree-to-disagree conclusion.

[Gabe2607 499]

Ok, here are some numbers for you: 6375 repair kits means that at maximum the player in question can have bought 5 times a supply kit that contains 1200 repair kits (and 1200 pieces of each other supply type). I don't think 5 is a lot, but you have the right for your own opinion. Considering that during the years the player has been playing this game he has received a lot of repair kits also by other means, it is very unlikely that he has bought even 5 pieces of those supply kits. Was this the kind of thing you wanted to hear?

 

I was just wondering where that Pokemon so suddenly popped up from as nobody had mentioned it earlier. In my ears it sounded like 'refuting an argument that was not advanced by any opponent'.

1) Some numbers, thank you! You may have "matured" Repair Kits earlier, but the consumption (6375) is about this year (or approx. so). Point is (explained earlier) that you cannot have mathematically made those Repair Kits strictly from Daily Missions. As I said, I made less than 1000 in a year, playing three times the hours you played.

 

2) Evidently you did not get neither the Pokemon joke/reference nor other earlier jokes/references. Let's agree to stick to numbers, then.

 

She was providing an example of why you don't always need a logical response to be correct.

"HE" was providing... B)

[illi2104 55]

It's all relative I guess. I've used around 1,100 supply kits. Actually surprised it's that high. Likely due to CTF battles as that's where they get used most.  That seems normal as the flag carrier has huge target on back.  It's when tankers just spam RK so they won't die in CP or CTF when they are not even near the flag just because they refuse to die... that's where it goes off the rails.

 

5x1200 supply kit bought with just in-game crystals costs how much?  500k crystals?  More?

By General rank an avg tanker might have accumulated 1M crystals (not counting gold boxes or premuim bonuses).

So half of total in-game wealth spent on Supplies?

If I remember correctly the cost of the kit was 105k crystals. I think I bought it three or so times, which makes 315k (average price of a hull+turret+paint combo I guess). I'm absolutely confident that people buying MUs instead waste at least that number of crystals as MUs are incredibly expensive.

[illi2104 55]

Point is (explained earlier) that you cannot have mathematically made those Repair Kits strictly from Daily Missions

Definitely. I think it has been said long time ago that I also bought supply kits.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Why nobody told me about this topic? :P

 

 

Having a poor garage at your rank is your entire fault. Either you mismanaged your virtual wallet or you refused to spend money to be competitive.

A poor garage? He has a turret and hull m3, plus a good paint and strong module. For a non-buyer non-Legend, I would say that is a very good garage.

 

I leave it to you to figure out why you weren't informed ;)

Edited November 15, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Gabe2607 499]

Why nobody told me about this topic? :P

 

 

Having a poor garage at your rank is your entire fault. Either you mismanaged your virtual wallet or you refused to spend money to be competitive.

Refused to spend money? Now you are confusing... LOL

 

Anyway, I did a very noob thing at the beginning, since I was not reading neither the forum nor the rules: I microupgraded from M0 to M1 and from M1 to M2, both twins and hunter. And now, voluntarily this time, I am microupgrading to M4. Chose hunter because it was faster than viking, but after update it is slower (and still flipping as hell). Chased Vandal kit forever: I remember doing 10,000 points per day to arrive to the last day of the offer, but, at the last day, they made it available at a higher rank. Again, 10,000 points a day to rank for next session, but again, at the last day, they increased the price. Finally 438,000 crystals and I got it. All drugs I used were merely mistakes: never used one against another tank or to catch golds (which I am not interested during a competitive game). I believe I am a hell of a team player, watching defense and attack at the same time, defending the flag carrier, getting killed by druggers but making sure they are weaker when they face another team player, trying to make strategies over the private chat (in spite that too many players do not speak a word of English). And that is it. How absolutely everyone else managed to have a better garage... I have my own opinion as you know :P

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Why? There is nothing wrong with the pro pass and the 5k is so cheap the crystals can be made back with a couple of hours play. 

 

Why do you enter supply enabled battles and then complain about players using supplies? You know full well what style of battle you are entering and you should expect players to use supplies. 

 

If you had a pro pass you can play battles that dont have supplies and then you can use your 'skills' to win crystals instead of losing to 'noob' unskilled' druggers

 

 

After all if you are so skilled why do you keep playing with 'noob druggers' when you can win so many battles in pro games with your skills?

 

I encountered exactly two non-drug games in three week sof PRO passes.  And one of those games broke up right away when a player kept crying for a gold box. You can't drop a gold box in a no-drug game, so that one broke up.

 

So one game in a half-month.  That is what a PRO Pass gets you. That is not an answer.

 

I do not object to haveing power-ups in the game. I objext to poorly-designed power-ups. And Tanki could do a lot better.

[Gabe2607 499]

That's what I said, you have mismanaged your wallet so you can blame no one else but yourself for your lack of competitiveness nowadays.

 

 

Many people spend money to get a good garage, what's wrong in that?

1) I do not consider myself non-competitive. Others have to drug to kill me or they get asphalted LOL

2) Are you finally admitting you paid? :D  Equipment buyers do not irritate me: I still find it stupid to waste money (you do not have to read the forum for that), but I do not see them "directly damaging" my battles. The problem is with drugs: one, two, three.... 25, 26.... STOP IT!!!  

[Gabe2607 499]

Supplies are a feature of the game and you currently can't afford it. You're currently not competitive.

 

 

I gave you many detailed explanations of my evolution in this game as a free-user and even provided you an official proof from the support staff which refutes your allegation. You must be a social nightmare for your community.

Round and around... you are like 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4 also here...

Edited November 15, 2016 by Cypher
Please avoid provoking other players.

[Adel 567]

Guys you are totally going off topic and turning this topic into a fighting club please keep the discussion friendly and respect everyone else in it.

[Gabe2607 499]

Guys you are totally going off topic and turning this topic into a fighting club please keep the discussion friendly and respect everyone else in it.

You refuse to admit that my proof refutes your allegation so I'm obliged to repeat myself. It's possible to earn 8MM crystals without spending money and you don't seem to stand this.

2000mc you never said the only smart thing you could have been saying: once your garage is full with M3 and protection modules (bought or not), the only thing you can do with crystals is buying drugs. Till then, drugs are a nuisance.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Are you kidding? The battles ive seen you in you struggle to get over 5 kills and always have over 30+ deaths and are always bottom or 2nd bottom on the scoreboard. Players dont have to drug to kill you, Your simply an easy kill

His overall k/d is about 1, actually.

 

And this just proves the disgusting advantage of supplies.

[XxPAXI2xX 169]

Powerups are stupid, there should be only pickups. Let give just 3 reasons:

• Player can now buy powerups for real money which makes big differense in game, and actually separates buyers and non-buyers in 2 groups ( buyers are OP and non-buyers suck at gaming
• With powerups game losses it`s point - to put the most skilled players on top and reward them with bunch of crystals because they always win - With their skills, not with the real money!!!!
• Double DMG powerup is just ridiculously Over Powered when someone only uses it so it`s power should be reduced to 25%.

I hope this is enough to change some things ( I know you will never remove them because they give you a lot of profit and give the game new speed that it has not got without it, which is actually poor ) about powerups ( suplies, whatever ) and make them atleast not purchasable for real money!

[LittleWillie 3,199]

True, that word existed in one of my earlier posts. I asked a question as I started to feel that certain people were abnormally interested in my personal matters. I don't think asking a question is the same as calling names, but I still apologize if my question hurt somebody's feelings.

 

Also that latter claim is not exactly correct in my opinion. I remember saying that I don't think I am a heavy supply user (or something like that). So I was telling an opinion. I know that some people's opinions on that matter differ from mine and that is fine. But do we agree that my personal statistics (or anyone's personal opinions on my personal statistics) are not really relevant in this discussion that concerns supplies in the game?

I think I missed some of the posting here recently so I am sorry if you took my posting as a persnal attack. I offered those numbers on supplies use in an attempt to show you that - while you assumed your personal drug use was about average - it is really on the high side.

 

Your opinions are 100% valid just as are mine. I just wanted to show you that your experiences are based on what is probably high-than-average use of supplies. Whereas my experiences are based on what is probably lower-than average use of supplies. 

 

What is most intersting to me is this: In every other game I'v played most players enjoy "power-ups". There is so much dislike for "drugging" in Tanki because Tanki's power-ups are deigned poorly - IMO.  They detract more from the game than they enhance it. Tanki should not take them out but they  should be re-deigned.

[illi2104 55]

Getting back to my point: I kindly ask that the game chat moderators start asap to ban players who complain about other players' supply usage in the game chats. As a first step words like 'noob', 'drug' and 'drugger' should be censored in the same way as the f word and the like are censored now.

 

This list of reasons is far from complete:

1. Using supplies is completely in line with the game rules and is allowed. Actions like

– insults, threats, slander;
– obscene language, including in the implied form;
– flooding, flaming, spam, printing in capital letters (CAPS LOCK);

is clearly prohibited in the rules (even that is not a complete list, I just copied a few in the very beginning of them). I respectfully ask that Tanki moderators start carrying out these rules.

2. It has been generally agreed for example in this forum discussion that most of the Tanki players are children. Many of them do not speak English as their first language. Therefore they cannot even defend themselves (not that they would want to start arguing with other players in the first place) but they can still see when their own nickname is put in the chat in the same exclamation with the words mentioned above. It's clear that it ruins their game experience, just like it ruins the game experience of every other player who plays according to the game rules. For the same reason (English) they cannot bring up their wishes in this forum or answer polls or surveys Tanki organizes. I kindly ask the Tanki stuff to understand that in this post I represent this very large group of Tanki players.

3. It is plain common sense that people should treat each other respectfully. Especially children should be taught to do so, so that they can then do it as grownups. Players are banned for many other reasons and bad behavior in the chat and elsewhere, so it is just plain natural that also this thing is added among those things, too.

 

Thank you for reading this. Respectfully,

illi2104

[illi2104 55]

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, mods can't apply all the rules otherwise they'd have a workload impossible to achieve. Here is an example of provocation which is "not  enough to ban"

Thank you for sharing that with us. I am surprised and disappointed at how Tanki staff has responded to your complaint. I would fully stand for an automatic instant 5 minutes ban for everyone who mentions 'drug' in the game chat. I do not see any valid (or even legal) reason to talk about drugs in an online game chat. It would also lower the workload of the mods as there would no longer be a need to report that. Regarding 'noob' I would like to point out that for example '*****' gets replaced by asterisks, so why on earth does 'noob' not? Edit: apparently it got replaced by asterisks also here, but it was a commonly used term of abuse starting with 'i'.

Edited November 17, 2016 by illi2104

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

Getting back to my point: I kindly ask that the game chat moderators start asap to ban players who complain about other players' supply usage in the game chats. As a first step words like 'noob', 'drug' and 'drugger' should be censored in the same way as the f word and the like are censored now.

 

Literally, this is making me scared.  IF this was implemented it would be the worst update I have ever seen in four years of Tanki.  I agree that it's immature to insult and rage at others based on their use of supplies, but

 

A BAN????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????  There is NOTHING wrong with saying "drugger." If you don't like it, don't drug and make everyone happier.  Enough said.

Edited November 17, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[illi2104 55]

A BAN????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????

I am not kidding. I am having a hard time explaining my 9-year-old daughter why she is not allowed to abuse others and gets a punishment if she does so, but she can be abused by others in Tanki chats without consequences.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I am not kidding. I am having a hard time explaining my 9-year-old daughter why she is not allowed to abuse others and gets a punishment if she does so, but she can be abused by others in Tanki chats without consequences.

Explain to her that's how the internet works. That's how the world works. If she doesn't learn do deal with insulting people in the game, she will not learn to deal with them in real life.  In reality you cannot just "silence" people who dislike you.  In addition, she is not being "abused" in the chat, merely being the target of jealously by other kids. Don't use that word so lightly.

 

Freedom of speech does exist in the real world, however. ;)

Edited November 17, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[wolverine848 13,097]

I am not kidding. I am having a hard time explaining my 9-year-old daughter why she is not allowed to abuse others and gets a punishment if she does so, but she can be abused by others in Tanki chats without consequences.

Why not use the "ignore" function during the battle?

[illi2104 55]

Explain to her that's how the internet works. That's how the world works. If she doesn't learn do deal with insulting people in the game, she will not learn to deal with them in real life.  In reality you cannot just "silence" people who dislike you.  In addition, she is not being "abused" in the chat, merely being the target of jealously by other kids. Don't use that word so lightly.

 

Freedom of speech does exist in the real world, however. ;)

Now you must be kidding. There are rules in the world that must be obeyed. There are rules also in Tanki that I listed above. Your reaction to the rules seems to be exactly the one I don't want my children to learn. She knows how to come along with people but abuse is different. Abuse is exactly the correct word here but we can talk about bullying as well if you prefer that. And by the way, freedom of speech specifically excludes the right to abuse or bully anyone.

 

 

Why not use the "ignore" function during the battle?

Is there a command to ignore individual players? Anyway, there are still a few flaws in that approach:

1. You cannot know beforehand who is going to abuse you. Yelling at supply users is so common that it is simply impractical to give some 'ignore' commands in every battle. And disabling chat is not an option either as you still want to chat with your friends.

2. It is morally the wrong way. The person who is doing wrong and breaking the rules is the abuser, not the one being abused. It is absurd to make the abused responsible on taking actions. That responsibility would ruin the game experience of the abused anyway, and the abusing will bother also other players not particularly targeted that time.

3. If nothing is done to this problem, it gives a signal that abuse is acceptable. Is that the signal Tanki wants to give?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

No. This is not bullying, or abuse, or anything like that.  Abuse and bullying are much, much more serious than saying "drugger".  I don't see how you don't understand the difference. You have to teach people how to deal with a problem. You can't just shut it down.  You cannot ban people (mostly kids) for showing their displeasure.  You cannot force them to be nice.  Kindness has to come from the heart; it has to be genuine.  Your proposal would not help; it would just make non-druggers angrier and more likely to express anger through other ways.

 

And a warning not to put words in my mouth: I never said calling people out for drugging too much was acceptable.  I said it's definitely not considered abuse and obviously doesn't merit a ban.

Edited November 17, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Epic_Space_Mango18 592]

No. This is not bullying, or abuse, or anything like that. You have to teach people how to deal with a problem. You can't just shut it down.

Preach, my friend

[wolverine848 13,097]

Now you must be kidding. There are rules in the world that must be obeyed. There are rules also in Tanki that I listed above. Your reaction to the rules seems to be exactly the one I don't want my children to learn. She knows how to come along with people but abuse is different. Abuse is exactly the correct word here but we can talk about bullying as well if you prefer that. And by the way, freedom of speech specifically excludes the right to abuse or bully anyone.

 

 

Is there a command to ignore individual players? Anyway, there are still a few flaws in that approach:

 

There is.  2 methods in-game.  

When you see their username in chat right-click and select 'ignore".

Or on the tab-display right-click their name - choose ignore.

[wolverine848 13,097]

No. This is not bullying, or abuse, or anything like that.  Abuse and bullying are much, much more serious than saying "drugger".  I don't see how you don't understand the difference. You have to teach people how to deal with a problem. You can't just shut it down.  You cannot ban people (mostly kids) for showing their displeasure.  You cannot force them to be nice.  Kindness has to come from the heart; it has to be genuine.  Your proposal would not help; it would just make non-druggers angrier and more likely to express anger through other ways.

All kinds of poor behavior but most not bannable.

Example - when a winning team refuses to cap at 9-1 and likes to spawn kill.  Do not seem to be any rules on this so... only alternative is to either leave or go on pause so they have no-one to kill. They get bored and cap.