Let's Discuss Supplies!

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

So I_already_win, please learn to read first and stop blaming me for something I have not done, ok?

I_already_won, I would be very happy to welcome any constructive ideas to make those insults stop from you, too,

I suggest you reread your posts before you post them.  This sounds like you would welcome any ideas to make insults stop from me. Any non-biased bystander would agree.   It sounds like you are being sarcastic or mocking when you say you would welcome any ideas as well. 

 

In fact, it is YOU that doesn't proofread your posts, not me that has read them wrong. (Btw I know how to read, believe it or not.)

 

Also, you didn't reply to my last post.  Too embarrassing?

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[illi2104 55]

 

Anyway, yes I do expect Tanki to do something about those 'noob drugger' insults and consider also my proposal at the same time. They would certainly get a lot new players if they started to carry out their own rules. I_already_won, I would be very happy to welcome any constructive ideas to make those insults stop from you, too, but so far we have not received any. Instead you have only understated abuse.

 

From the very beginning (prior to that post as well) I have all the time been talking about the same insults, the ones that players refusing to use supplies direct to players who play according to the game rules. (Deliberately refusing to use supplies violates at least the last sentence in rule 2.1.5, which in an earlier version of the rules was stated even clearer.) No wonder we are having these issues with understanding each other if your reading skills are on that level.

 

This sounds like you would welcome any ideas to make insults stop from me. Any non-biased bystander would agree.   It sounds like you are being sarcastic or mocking when you say you would welcome any ideas as well.

That is just your own conclusion (exactly what you blamed me for earlier.)

 

Also, you didn't reply to my last post.  Too embarrassing?

 

And which one do you refer to this time? Hardly too embarrassing, too silly and unnecessary very likely. I really don't think there is any idea to continue this discussion with you anymore.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

From the very beginning (prior to that post as well) I have all the time been talking about the same insults, the ones that players refusing to use supplies direct to players who play according to the game rules. (Deliberately refusing to use supplies violates at least the last sentence in rule 2.1.5, which in an earlier version of the rules was stated even clearer.) No wonder we are having these issues with understanding each other if your reading skills are on that level.

 

That is just your own conclusion (exactly what you blamed me for earlier.)

 

And which one do you refer to this time? Hardly too embarrassing, too silly and unnecessary very likely. I really don't think there is any idea to continue this discussion with you anymore.

"refusing to use supplies?" They can't get any as fast as they would use them. Lower-rankers simply cannot make enough profit to buy enough supplies to compete. I can't believe I'm telling you this.  Do we have to go back to Level 1?

 

"my own conclusion".  You clearly didn't take the time to understand my post.  I said specifically that the way you wrote it means that I insulted you, and that anybody looking in would agree.  

 

The post that you ignored:

 

We have two premises:

 

1. The use of supplies against non-druggers causes them frustration and unhappiness.

2. The use of supplies is always optional.

 

I leave it to you from there.

 

(P.S. If you don't want to continue this discussion you don't have to. I'm not the one making you respond to me.  Your idea has no chance of being implemented and do you think I enjoy arguing with you?)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, it's too funny to see someone else being pissed by juvenile keyboard warriors who read hastily :P

 

1. Moaners who call constantly players who use supplies "noob druggers" cause the latter exasperation and unhappiness.

2. Playing standard battles where supplies are enabled is always optional.

 

Maybe you'll see this way the solidity of your arguments (?)

1. You are dodging the point.   The use of supplies comes before the complaints.

 

2.  I never said anything against drugging against druggers. I was talking about drugging against non-druggers.  That is not necessary.  Standard battles are much more common than PRO battles.  

 

Again, drugging in a battle where everyone else is drugging (you say most standard battles are like that) is perfectly fine. Drugging in a battle where nobody else is, is not. 

 

Plus, your premises don't lead to each other.  There is no logical conclusion you can draw from them.   You didn't even provide the logical conclusion to mine.  Instead you went on the attack. This is just a way of saying "I cannot answer your question." I am not fooled.

 

 

Your point is: drugging in standard battles is perfectly allowed and even encouraged.  I agree with that point.  However, I ask "Why do you do it against non-druggers?"  I acknowledge the validity of drugging, but not the mental process that leads to that decision. Those are two separate things.  It's like saying"You are allowed to flip the bird at other people on the highway, but why?"  Of course if everyone else is flipping you off than you are quite justified.  There is no law against flipping the bird but you see why people have a right to complain and get upset, do you?

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

You didn't even provide the logical conclusion to mine.  Instead you went on the attack. 

 

However, I ask "Why do you do it against non-druggers?"

Yeah... they complain about the "complainers"... and when they have no real argument, they go on the attack.

 

Apparently.... "boredom".

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Yeah... they complain about the "complainers"... and when they have no real argument, they go on the attack.

 

Apparently.... "boredom".

They MUST win. They HAVE TO win. If they don't win they aren't happy.  They just HAVE to get that last kill.  They can't enjoy the game unless they are destroying everyone in sight and eliminating all competition.  

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Because I don't have to waste my time looking for a standard battle where I am sure everyone will use supplies. First of all there is not any single standard battle without this guy who refuses to uses supplies. Secondly, even if this guy has 9 noob druggers in his team, he will end up insulting me for using supplies anyway. And last but not least, players who hate noob druggers have nothing to do in standard battles because they don't intend to use supplies.

 

It's like entering a dancefloor and demand dancers to stop moving :lol:

My goodness how long does it take for you to understand?

 

There is nothing wrong with drugging against other druggers. :)  You don't have to look for anything, just don't press 1 whenever a person with barely mu'd m2s and no module comes up to you.

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

What if a noob drugger appears behind him and shoots me? Am I allowed to use supplies against him but not against the former? And what if I come across a regular enemy after I destroyed a noob drugger? Should I have to wait for my supplies to switch themselves off before I can shoot him?

 

Oh please.  I have expressed the view many times that in a Legend drugwar, ofc you can drug to your heart's content.  However, you must keep in mind that people drugging against you might not always be druggers. Maybe they are non-druggers who are forced to drug by you.  So a druglord joining a battle where people aren't drugging can start everyone to start drugging.  Legend players have enough crystals and items in their garage to buy the supplies kits.  Lower ranked players do not, they are still saving up for modules, paints, M4s, etc. 

 

Plus, I understand that at your rank almost everyone drugs, so a non-drugging enemy is a rarity.  Please do not specifically target him/her because you want an easy kill or because they are weak.  If you have lots of drugs I would ask you to specifically target the biggest druggers on the enemy team. Thank  you.

 

In addition, you are kind of missing the point.  When it's an even battle and people aren't drugging, why do you do it?  

[Epic_Space_Mango18 592]

Oh please.  I have expressed the view many times that in a Legend drugwar, ofc you can drug to your heart's content.  However, you must keep in mind that people drugging against you might not always be druggers. Maybe they are non-druggers who are forced to drug by you.  So a druglord joining a battle where people aren't drugging can start everyone to start drugging.  Legend players have enough crystals and items in their garage to buy the supplies kits.  Lower ranked players do not, they are still saving up for modules, paints, M4s, etc. 

 

Plus, I understand that at your rank almost everyone drugs, so a non-drugging enemy is a rarity.  Please do not specifically target him/her because you want an easy kill or because they are weak.  If you have lots of drugs I would ask you to specifically target the biggest druggers on the enemy team. Thank  you.

 

In addition, you are kind of missing the point.  When it's an even battle and people aren't drugging, why do you do it?  

Cause some people can't play without em. I haven't purchased a single supply since WO1

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Cause some people can't play without em. I haven't purchased a single supply since WO1

It's different at the higher ranks. :(

[Epic_Space_Mango18 592]

1....From certain people in this game, the complaints come regardless of whether the guy attacking them is actually using their own supplies or just picking up drops....As happened with me during the Halloween event.

 

2....From a tactical point of view, refraining from using your supplies against a team that you perceive to be non-druggers has its risks. I used to try to do this when I was in the earlier ranks on the rare occasions that I'd find a battle where no-one was drugging. Quite often I'd end up winning or losing cos someone that wasn't drugging before decided to pull the trigger first, activate some supplies and take a crucial flag or two towards the end of battle...leaving the enemy team no time to counter. Just cos I perceive them to be a non-drugger, doesn't mean that they are. In retrospect, this is actually common-sense game-play to take an opportunity to win for your team. If I was in those battles again and I had something quicker than the Mammy slug that I had, I'd be doing it myself.

 

Constantly drugging from the start of a battle against a non-drugging team has its own problems....the clan-raiders that jump into the enemy after the non-druggers ran cos they were getting owned. Never a good idea to totally own an enemy, best to just "manage" the battle by keeping them arms length(in terms of Pts/Flags), offer them a little hope, then with a few minutes left...drug like mad and destroy them..JK :ph34r:  ;)

You know those times the entire enemy team is drugging and spawn killing your teammates? Well, I don't have the anti-drug turret, (Freeze) so instead, I take my Smoky, I go in, take a shot, leave the battle before I die, rejoin, shoot, leave, rejoin, shoot and repeat until they're all dead.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

(...) Well, I don't have the anti-drug turret, (Freeze) so instead, I take my Smoky, I go in, take a shot, leave the battle before I die, rejoin, shoot, leave, rejoin, shoot and repeat until they're all dead.

Twins and Shaft are also anti-drugger turrets.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Nobody's forced to play standard battles where noob druggers are legitimately playing. Moreover, a noob drugger joins standard battles because he wants to use supplies and therefore expects others to use supplies too. There's one efficient solution to avoid noob druggers and not being forced to use supplies: PRO pass.

 

Either they spend money or they find smart ways to earn crystals efficiently (what I've done by the way... Look what I have now)

 

First of all, I target whoever I want in the enemy team. Secondly, sparing enemies is forbidden by the rules. And last but not least, a "weak" player (M1/M2 equipment, no supplies use etc.) shouldn't play Legend battles (unless

 

 

I never play standard battles without using supplies because I precisely play these battles to use them. When I don't want to use supplies and rely on my skills only, I play PRO battles.

Sparing enemies is different than not specifically targeting them.  As I said before, even the most efficient crystal managers cannot get access to enough supplies until Legend.  The number of full, good, non xp/bp battles is very small.

 

If everyone uses supplies at Legend (which I know) why are you opposed to reducing their power, placing a battle limit, or increasing their cooldowns? It wouldn't give you any disadvantage in relation to everyone else.

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

PS: I'm also sick to reply to assumptions so I'll comment your last part only if you quote a post where I claimed this precisely.

You said that "reducing the power of garage supplies" was for whiners, and you express dislike for whiners, so I take it you are opposed to it. 

 

Again you do not answer my question: If everyone uses supplies at Legend (which I know) why are you opposed to reducing their power, placing a battle limit, or increasing their cooldowns? It wouldn't give you any disadvantage in relation to everyone else.

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[illi2104 55]

As for ignore - it really is your best immediate solution. You can report any profanity but that may take time. So use the ignore.

You may be right for now, but I really hope Tanki will quickly do something about it. However, this discussion has given me the impression that the problem is not in the time it takes to handle reports (that would be easily solved by the automatic bans) but in Tanki staff not realizing how severe abuse and bullying it is to constantly call names like noob and drugger on strangers (of course I hope I am wrong with that).

 

 

Your idea has no chance of being implemented

It is not important if they implement exactly my idea or not. It is important that they implement anything effective that make the insults stop for good.

[illi2104 55]

Well, you can obviously say "supplies" instead of "drugs", but what do you call players, who use supplies, instead of "druggers"? Suppliers?  :D

:D I don't think 'suppliers' can be more wrong than 'druggers' :) Is there a name used for them in the documentation?

 

Mafioso, I noticed you were mentioned as a 'section curator' in the 'Ideas and Suggestions' section, so may I assume you work for Tanki? In that case could you say your (the staff's) official opinion on calling names like noob and drugger in battle chats, please. Feel free to be honest. Thank you.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Power of supplies is an entire distinct topic from supplies use in standard battles. 

Ummm...This topic is called "Lets Discuss Supplies" :rolleyes:  -_-  -_-

 

I didn't move on because I couldn't defend myself. I moved on because it's pointless to argue with somebody like you.  I spend too much time on this topic for my health.

 

You will use supplies. I, along with many others, will get pissed off. That's pretty much the stage we have reached.

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Gabe2607 499]

From the very beginning (prior to that post as well) I have all the time been talking about the same insults, the ones that players refusing to use supplies direct to players who play according to the game rules. (Deliberately refusing to use supplies violates at least the last sentence in rule 2.1.5, which in an earlier version of the rules was stated even clearer.) No wonder we are having these issues with understanding each other if your reading skills are on that level.

2.1.5. Sabotage — Any acts or omissions aimed at creating obstructions for the team where the User is a member, including in CTF, TDM and CP modes, fighting against the team of which you are a member (intentional selection of weak equipment, frequent pauses, inactivity or intentional failure to comply with map’s or game mode’s requirements, imitation of issues with internet connection), damaging/destroying an ally’s tank, fighting in the interest of the opponent’s team (conspiracy).

 

Do you often see subliminal messages?

 

1. Moaners PROS who call constantly players who use supplies "noob druggers" cause the latter exasperation and unhappiness.

 

Does it work? Really? Then... noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers, noob druggers,

 

Hope it worked again :D

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Where did I say your question wasn't fitting this topic Let's Discuss Supplies!?

Good, then don't tell everyone I always reply off-topic.   -_-

 

It comes from the same root. If supplies were weaker then people would complain less.  Isn't that what you want? And if you say everyone drugs, it wouldn't even affect your performance negatively at all.

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Maf 32,314]

:D I don't think 'suppliers' can be more wrong than 'druggers' :) Is there a name used for them in the documentation?

 

Mafioso, I noticed you were mentioned as a 'section curator' in the 'Ideas and Suggestions' section, so may I assume you work for Tanki? In that case could you say your (the staff's) official opinion on calling names like noob and drugger in battle chats, please. Feel free to be honest. Thank you.

"Suppliers" is usually a term used for a person or company who provides something, for example for Ikea and other furniture stores, one of the suppliers would be a timber processing factory.

And there is no official name for "drugger", other than "player", since supplies are just part of the game and using them doesn't automatically put a player into some unique category. Like, we don't have a separate word for someone who plays only on Polygon, or a word for someone who only plays with Thunder. So why would we have a word for someone, who uses supplies?

 

As for the section curator thing - that's just a fancy word Damn_Slow came up with to describe moderators responsible for a particular section :D

A curator is just a "a keeper or custodian of a museum or other collection", so in this context, the section curator is someone who looks after the section. So no, I'm not officially employed here.

[illi2104 55]

2.1.5. Sabotage — Any acts or omissions aimed at creating obstructions for the team where the User is a member, including in CTF, TDM and CP modes, fighting against the team of which you are a member (intentional selection of weak equipment, frequent pauses, inactivity or intentional failure to comply with map’s or game mode’s requirements, imitation of issues with internet connection), damaging/destroying an ally’s tank, fighting in the interest of the opponent’s team (conspiracy).

 

Do you often see subliminal messages?

I said that in an earlier version of the rules it was said in a more clear way and there was actually multiple sentences describing this very thing. In this version it says only "fighting in the interest of the opponent's team" is prohibited, but I assume it still means the same thing. I understand that there are situations where use of supplies is not wise, but if you have an attitude problem with using them, then you are making it easier for (aka helping e.g. playing in the interest of) the opponent team.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

who can't provide any serious argument 

A serious argument to you, would be something that makes you reconsider or change your position. Well, that's not going to happen. <_<

[illi2104 55]

"Suppliers" is usually a term used for a person or company who provides something, for example for Ikea and other furniture stores, one of the suppliers would be a timber processing factory.

Yeah. So as 'drugger' is not an official word but 'druggist' is, could it be 'supplist' as it is not an official word (afaik) while supplier is :D

[Gabe2607 499]

It doesn't work on the forum :P However, it brings about pity towards adults who can't provide any serious argument but insults related to moms :(

If your mom feels insulted, the blame is within the family. Make her proud telling her: "Mom, I will stop abusing drugs and develop my own skills!" ;)

 

PS.: she will reply: "Really?" and you: "1-2-3-4-5" :P

[Gabe2607 499]

I said that in an earlier version of the rules it was said in a more clear way and there was actually multiple sentences describing this very thing. In this version it says only "fighting in the interest of the opponent's team" is prohibited, but I assume it still means the same thing. I understand that there are situations where use of supplies is not wise, but if you have an attitude problem with using them, then you are making it easier for (aka helping e.g. playing in the interest of) the opponent team.

Do you have an attitude problem about spending 1000 Euro/Dollars per week on drugs or should you be banned for making it easier for the opponent team?