Let's Discuss Supplies!

[Gabe2607 499]

I doubt any mom would be proud to know her adult son forces others to give in to his tantrums. Especially when it's about something he got for free.

Everyone gets a brain for free and I wish I had the power to force others to use it...

[illi2104 55]

Do you have an attitude problem about spending 1000 Euro/Dollars per week on drugs or should you be banned for making it easier for the opponent team?

Everyone gets a number of supplies for free. What are you saving them for? Everyone also has the freedom to choose how they use their crystals to make their garage as competitive as possible (and as difficult as possible for opponents to beat it). Your question, however, refers to real money, which I don't see related to this.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I said that in an earlier version of the rules it was said in a more clear way and there was actually multiple sentences describing this very thing. In this version it says only "fighting in the interest of the opponent's team" is prohibited, but I assume it still means the same thing. I understand that there are situations where use of supplies is not wise, but if you have an attitude problem with using them, then you are making it easier for (aka helping e.g. playing in the interest of) the opponent team.

Okay, be that way if you want. Less skilled player on my team? Ban him for breaking the rules.  Lagging person? Ban him for helping the other team.  Someone using xp in Polygon CP? Ban him for multing.  

 

P.S. Don't say "use the supplies you get from missions", it's not enough.  Please stop connecting dots that shouldn't be connected.

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

Wow some cool vibes in this topic. I don't take drugs, those are my medications. The thing is, I keep them in numbered drawers. I have a prescription for them.

[illi2104 55]

Okay, be that way if you want. Less skilled player on my team? Ban him for breaking the rules.  Lagging person? Ban him for helping the other team.  Someone using xp in Polygon CP? Ban him for multing.  

 

P.S. Don't say "use the supplies you get from missions", it's not enough.  Please stop connecting dots that shouldn't be connected.

I_already_won, please. You really are not any constructive or even trying to find solutions to problems, the only thing you do is provocation. From now on I will ignore everything you say as I have been advised.

 

P.S. It is irrelevant if the supplies got from missions is enough or not, you can still use the ones you've got. If you were in a real war and you wouldn't have enough ammo, would that be a valid reason not to use what you have? No need to answer as I will ignore you, but you can think about it if you like.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I_already_won, please. You really are not any constructive or even trying to find solutions to problems, the only thing you do is provocation. From now on I will ignore everything you say as I have been advised.

 

P.S. It is irrelevant if the supplies got from missions is enough or not, you can still use the ones you've got. If you were in a real war and you wouldn't have enough ammo, would that be a valid reason not to use what you have? No need to answer as I will ignore you, but you can think about it if you like.

There is no need for me to be constructive on a ridiculous and foolish base.

 I do not try to find solutions where there is no problem.  

I do not post provocation, you interpret it that way.

You can ignore me, its your choice. In fact I am relieved- one less person to stress me out. However, I will keep posting to my content.

Tanki isn't a real war. A real war is a matter of life and death. Tanki is not. In a real war the object is to kill the enemy. If that is how you view Tanki no wonder... -_-

 

Your ideas are so far-fetched and laughable that I am not worried about Tanki implementing them. What worries me is that there are people who think like you. "Enough crackpots can impeach the president," as the saying goes.

 

I choose not to use my supplies and I should be banned for violation of rules!!!!???  :blink:  Do you see why I am a little scared?

 

I really am a nice guy if you read some of my other posts, I do not want to fight with you. Why, Mr. Anderson?

 

I am truly sorry if you are offended. It is not you I dislike, but your ideas, please keep that in mind.

Edited November 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Gabe2607 499]

Everyone gets a number of supplies for free. What are you saving them for? Everyone also has the freedom to choose how they use their crystals to make their garage as competitive as possible (and as difficult as possible for opponents to beat it). Your question, however, refers to real money, which I don't see related to this.

Mmmm..... I assume the "supplies for free" are the ones you need to play hours for... not really for free... Then everyone has freedoms, except for me that I have to use supplies because you say so...

 

Resuming: 1) you want to ban people reminding you the drugging noob definition; 2) you want to ban people not using supplies as per your wish.

 

Any other great idea?

 

Gabe2607 doesn't believe it's possible to get a good garage and thousands of supplies without spending money even if I proved her wrong :lol:

You just proved your age till now... For the rest, it took us too many wasted days to understand that all you were describing was pertinent to Legend level only. Till then all users should be subject to massive noob drugging campaigns perpetrated by users who got to the highest level but still cannot manage with skills only.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

P.S. It is irrelevant if the supplies got from missions is enough or not, you can still use the ones you've got. If you were in a real war and you wouldn't have enough ammo, would that be a valid reason not to use what you have? No need to answer as I will ignore you, but you can think about it if you like.

I think many tankers use even the limited supply they have. Issue is they run out pretty fast. I use them when I have to - either that or I leave the battle because there is no chance of competing.

 

Problem is we have the daily missions to complete. So a batch of our supplies need to be saved for those - especially the ones we may not be too fond of.  I dislike DMs but will play them if that happens to be only mission that day offering crystals. There are weeks where the missions really suck. No crystals and even the offered supplies are terrible - maybe 6 or 7 per mission. That does not go far.

[Gabe2607 499]

I_already_won, please. You really are not any constructive or even trying to find solutions to problems, the only thing you do is provocation. From now on I will ignore everything you say as I have been advised.

 

P.S. It is irrelevant if the supplies got from missions is enough or not, you can still use the ones you've got. If you were in a real war and you wouldn't have enough ammo, would that be a valid reason not to use what you have? No need to answer as I will ignore you, but you can think about it if you like.

Ignore me too !! Please Please !!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

There is no need for me to be constructive on a ridiculous and foolish base.

 I do not try to find solutions where there is no problem.  

I do not post provocation, you interpret it that way.

You can ignore me, its your choice. In fact I am relieved- one less person to stress me out. However, I will keep posting to my content.

Tanki isn't a real war. A real war is a matter of life and death. Tanki is not. In a real war the object is to kill the enemy. If that is how you view Tanki no wonder... -_-

 

Your ideas are so far-fetched and laughable that I am not worried about Tanki implementing them. What worries me is that there are people who think like you. "Enough crackpots can impeach the president," as the saying goes.

 

I choose not to use my supplies and I should be banned for violation of rules!!!!???  :blink:  Do you see why I am a little scared?

 

I really am a nice guy if you read some of my other posts, I do not want to fight with you. Why, Mr. Anderson?

 

I am truly sorry if you are offended. It is not you I dislike, but your ideas, please keep that in mind.

Damn me... I thought Tanki was a game, therefore closer to a sport where fair values should prevail and everyone compete without icons on their heads ready to switch on...

 

But no, it is a war... a war where if you say Noob Druggers, the war referee comes out and says: "you are banned for a day!"

Edited November 21, 2016 by Gabe2607

[illi2104 55]

Mmmm..... I assume the "supplies for free" are the ones you need to play hours for... not really for free... Then everyone has freedoms, except for me that I have to use supplies because you say so...

 

Yes, I was going to add that you will need to do some work to get them, but then I thought it is not necessary as everyone already knows it. For the latter part, we were discussing the game rules, not what I say.

 

 

Resuming: 1) you want to ban people reminding you the drugging noob definition; 2) you want to ban people not using supplies as per your wish.

 

1) I want abuse and insults to stop in the game chat and regarding that I have referred to the current game rules. Unlike you I have provided concrete ideas for achieving it. Ban is a common punishment currently used, not my invention.

2) Where exactly have I said that? What is that twisting of my sayings if not intentional provocation?

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

2) Where exactly have I said that? What is that twisting of my sayings if not intentional provocation?

I can't say for sure... but it may have been this part....

 

"From the very beginning (prior to that post as well) I have all the time been talking about the same insults, the ones that players refusing to use supplies direct to players who play according to the game rules. (Deliberately refusing to use supplies violates at least the last sentence in rule 2.1.5, which in an earlier version of the rules was stated even clearer.)"

 

It was hard to tell if the last sentence was you interpreting that as a ban on someone not using supplies in a Battle.

Maybe you weren't - just looks like that might be the case...

[illi2104 55]

 

I can't say for sure... but it may have been this part....

 

"From the very beginning (prior to that post as well) I have all the time been talking about the same insults, the ones that players refusing to use supplies direct to players who play according to the game rules. (Deliberately refusing to use supplies violates at least the last sentence in rule 2.1.5, which in an earlier version of the rules was stated even clearer.)"

 

It was hard to tell if the last sentence was you interpreting that as a ban on someone not using supplies in a Battle.

Maybe you weren't - just looks like that might be the case...

 

Regardless of how I interpret that part of the rules it cannot be that because Gabe said "as per your wish" while that is a reference to the game rules (unless he is twisting my sayings like I suspect).

[wolverine848 13,097]

Regardless of how I interpret that part of the rules it cannot be that because Gabe said "as per your wish" while that is a reference to the game rules (unless he is twisting my sayings like I suspect).

Well, it's not really "twisting" your words if that is actually what you posted and meant...

 

Do you interpret that (not using supplies) as violating the rule (2.1.5) ?

[Gabe2607 499]

You're still suspecting? :lol: Don't you see they all reply off-topic, don't have any solid argument, get around your points and show a terrible mentality?

 

You are right let's stay on topic... The topic is "Let's stop calling Drugging Noobs", ops no.... the topic is "Mod why do not you answer".... ops not, the topic is "which one is the best Disney cartoon?".... ops not.... AHHHH !  The topic is "Let's discuss supplies!". So smart people started to say:

 

THOSE SPECIFIC SUPPLIES KNOWN AS DRUGS ARE SPOILING THE GAME! And then plenty of proposals (supplies for all/supplies for none/considerable reduction of the +100%/, limited amount possible to use in a battle/possibility to create battles without supplies) including the official one carried out by a Mod. (PRO Pass to become DRUG Pass and standard battles to become PRO battles).

 

Then some druggers kept saying: "buy the PRO Pass/become Legend then you can get enough supplies" and many others... ops.... not many others.... just those two actually.

 

Pros explained that PRO Pass does not really work as 1) they cost 5000 crys (little but still an unnecessary fee which requires... 3/4 days of game (?), 2) mostly Russian battles (skilled PROs play strategy meaning communication...), 3) many battles are just for specific tanks, not for all, and maybe other reasons I am not sure about (are there all maps?), as I never used one.

 

But basically druggers say: "Do not change the Status Quo or we are in trouble, as we need non-drugging tanks to win some battles!". If this was not the case, they would not fear a change, right?

 

Now, druggers, you can restart messing up the topic. Po Lelei (in Samoan).

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

If anyone can explain me the relation between my last post and Gabe's reply, I give him 1000 supplies each for free :lol: (I mean, real free supplies, not those you get through daily missions -_-)

He thinks when you said "they reply off-topic" you meant random posts that dont belong here.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

He thinks when you said "they reply off-topic" you meant random posts that dont belong here.

Knowing 2000mc he'll probably post a gif or jpeg in response.

 

No, that's not what he meant. He can say anything he wants, whenever we reply, he'll "clarify" as to his "intended" meaning and rebuke us all for a "poor mentality" in misunderstanding him. 

[illi2104 55]

Do you interpret that (not using supplies) as violating the rule (2.1.5) ?

I interpret that not using supplies violated the earlier version of the rules. If this current rule still means the same although its wording is different, then it violates that, too. However, I have never said and never meant that ban is the correct punishment for breaking this rule.

 

Also, I have never said that having less skills or network connectivity issues (as long as they are real connectivity issues and not faked as meant in rule 2.1.5) violates this rule. Claiming such is nothing but twisting my words and intentional provocation.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

 

 

Supplies are here to stay - you'll never get rid of them or convince tanki to switch and make non-supplies the default mode because players spend money on them.

 

There wouldn't be a game if advantage could not be bought. Tanki have made some steps at least to help you by giving you free supplies in daily missions but you refuse that help. This is on you, not them and certainly not on anyone else. It's your choice to abstain and you complain every time you enter a supplies-enabled battle.

 

You're essentially complaining about yourself. You're not playing the game how it was designed to be played. This is the crux of the matter and you have no answer for this.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[Gabe2607 499]

I read here "there are no payments made on the 2000mc account" but nothing about my age though... :unsure:

Regarding my tips, I explained how to earn crystals as a low rank AND as a high rank. Obviously, if you make a noob mistake by wasting all your crystals on M0 equipments in the early days of your Tanki career, my tips turn out to be useless :lol:

 

 Last but not least, I proved you I was able to win by relying on my skills only, so why do you keep accusing noob druggers of being skilless? :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The drugging skill I see is messing up the topic constantly...

 

PROs make change proposals with proper explanation.

 

There are no change proposals from Druggers, right? Any single one? Then just say you like the way Tanki Online is at the moment and everyone will find it obvious coming from you.

 

For explanations on how to make crystals make your own topic: "I am 2000mc, the Crystals Master!".

 

PS. and mostly OFF-TOPIC: when you post battle results, think before you do it (or simply avoid it...). In that specific battle it is clear that 3 red users (+1 blue player) played for a short amount of time (with noob D/L...). No trace of what happened for most of the battle (maybe you played 3 vs 1?) So the only fact that you arrived first should make you... something? I just say that druggers are inclined to use brutal force and tend to not learn (as not very needed) skills. Something you can see in every single battle. That is why we propose changes. Now... make a mess of this post too...

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Well who didn't understand I meant "off-topic regarding the questions" and not "regarding this topic"? :rolleyes:

 

For example, I_already_sobbed asked me not to use supplies against regular enemies so I imagined two situations which happen in standard battles:

 

And he didn't reply to these questions. Instead, he assumed the noob druggers I mentioned didn't intend to use supplies in the first place. But it was irrelevant given that they used supplies first.

He also talked about the difference between players' garage, implying that free-users weren't as powerful as buyers (which is obvious but pointless to mention because free-users are only responsible for their poor garage given that they don't spend money).

After that he demanded me to spare some specific enemies, the weakest ones. I forgot to ask him: what if a weak player attacks me?

And finally, he ended his post with a new question... leaving mine answered :lol:

 

Misreading again. Find the EXACT post where I said to spare non-drugging enemies.  I asked him to not SPECIFICALLY target non-druggers for an easy kill.  Two different things.

Free-users aren't responsible for their poor garage, Tanki is.

I never said he couldn't fight weak players, and I can't even see how my words could be interpreted this way.

So In fact, I did reply to those questions. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

I interpret that not using supplies violated the earlier version of the rules. If this current rule still means the same although its wording is different, then it violates that, too. However, I have never said and never meant that ban is the correct punishment for breaking this rule.

 

Also, I have never said that having less skills or network connectivity issues (as long as they are real connectivity issues and not faked as meant in rule 2.1.5) violates this rule. Claiming such is nothing but twisting my words and intentional provocation.

OK. I wasn't accusing you.  Just trying to get clarification on what - for me - seemed a little vague.

[wolverine848 13,097]

You're essentially complaining about yourself. You're not playing the game how it was designed to be played. This is the crux of the matter and you have no answer for this.

 

Except... the rules keep changing.

 

The game was designed as Free-To-Play.

 

Parameters have changed since inception.

 

Now it's Pay-To-Win.

[illi2104 55]

OK. I wasn't accusing you.  Just trying to get clarification on what - for me - seemed a little vague.

Yep, always happy to answer appropriately asked questions.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

One doesn't preclude the other. You can play Tanki for free but it's hard to win if you don't pay.

It is described as a F2P, P2W game.  Usually people view those games with disgust.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

One doesn't preclude the other. You can play Tanki for free but it's hard to win if you don't pay.

 

I never said they did.  I was pointing out that the "design" of the game has changed since introduced.  

 

People want to play "the game how it was designed to be played" (not my phrasing - was AbsolueZero). But they can't because of the changing parameters.

 

No one wants to play a game that they can't compete in. And that's one of the reasons why, on an average day, there are way fewer players than there used to be. The changing rules are driving them away.

 

Many tankers are still trying to set up a competitive garage. But most of the changes introduced in last year or so inhibit this. The increasing short-cuts given to those who want "quick fixes" frustrate and drive away many.