Let's Discuss Supplies!

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

Based on all this I am now even more sure than I was earlier that all the talk about supplies being SO overwhelming is just plain rubbish. 

 

Was a good read except for the above part...

[Gabe2607 499]

You seem to consider every opinion or proof shared more than 24h ago as out of date, so I asked Mafioso if he still agrees with his opinion from 2015 so that I know if it was relevant to quote it as an argument.

 

You seem to struggle with everything, don't you? :lol: I pressed Ctrl+F and typed "pass" to find this

 

"A new pass was added - No-supplies battle: enables you to create and enter no-supplies battles, lifetime - one month." (March 2010)

 

One year later, they allowed everybody to create no-supply battles without a pass but the topic doesn't say when this feature was removed. Anyway, my point was to prove you PRO pass isn't a young feature (maybe you'll say 6 years ago isn't that old? :lol:) and anyway you do see devs obviously had a reason to remove PRO battles from standard modes otherwise they wouldn't have removed it ;)

 

"Every player now can create a no-supply battle without a pass. The

creator also can enter this battle without a pass. (August 2011)

 

 

Data based on assumptions are not actual data therefore... false data (not to mention kits and prices you invented :lol:).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the return on investment, you clearly read hastily because I said 100 times it was hard to be competitive in low ranks but a smart strategy and efforts were they key of success for free-users.

 

Aaaaaaaaand the same lame replies again. If you'd pay attention to my history, you'd know I've reached Generalissimo with one combo only then started to buy supplies kits to upgrade my garage and afford more supplies. I also said this method was still valid but way harder to apply because of the discount less attractive on the supplies kit. Anyway, I really don't understand why none is interested to know how a free-user (like you) managed to get **** load of equipments, supplies and crystals for free (unlike you) :unsure:

 

 

 

No, I said I started to use supplies when I became Gismo (and I also said noob druggers annoyed me until this rank. Main difference between you and me: I adapted my play style to avoid them and make sure I'd earn crystals the easiest way. I certainly spent more time fighting hard on the battlefield than moaning on the forum for a hopeless cause :lol:)

 

I don't but many other players do. Kinda pathetic to see the mature person you are can't get this into his head :rolleyes:

 

As @DejectedTomato said, supplies are also in Tanki X so I let you guess how many chances you have to get your idea become a reality :lol:

 

Anyway, this answer proved me you're nothing but a cheapskate person who can't understand the principle of free-to-play games.

 

Therefore I'll do my best to ignore your lame arguments based on assumptions and I sincerely wish you good luck, maybe devs will care about troubles of a free-user who never considered spending money and never will? :lol:

 

PS: please keep joining standard battles, it's always good to shoot an adult whiner :lol:

 

Is this what it feels to have lice? :(

 

1) It does not make sense to look so far in the past because a lot of features were different. The same thing I tell when you keep going with your story: it was a different time!

 

2) Assuming (again, it is the past....) it was August 2011 when free PRO battles were made, than we assume that PRO battles as they are now were done much later. Keep searching and maybe you find out they were done recently... (struggle my ass :P)

 

3) Then you are so full of it that you should consider a return to nappies. Using the conditional or saying "I am not sure" is something that arrogant kids will never learn, especially someone who keeps "Learn from me, that I learned, as General, from DejectedTomato when he was 11 years old...". 20 drugs per 15 minutes: get the data from your friend AbsoluteZero, which I am sure you already have but you just like to troll. Some noobs (which category you should know well indeed) use only mines, others mostly (but again, you know it and like to troll). Was the cost easy to find in Google? It took you a week to come here and troll about it. Was it 105,000? For Gismo, for all, discounted (things you keep forgetting, memory boy)? Still comes out 280 crys for all 375 battles, but you could not show that calculation as there was no Math Teacher in your frog eating village.  (HERE, KISS MY RIGHT CHEEK EMOTICON)

 

4) "It was hard to be competitive in low ranks but a smart strategy and efforts..." you just got wasted by druggers and turned into one of them, flip flopping noob expert (HERE ONE FINGER AT YOUR CHOICE EMOTICON)

 

5) His story again.... you got to Gismo with one Combo and I have one Combo (your probably had half my cost but ok). So what is the bloody difference??? I am not complaining about my garage, but you blame me for my garage when you had the same. How contorted are you? And who cares which garage me and you have or had? I know and mentioned my mistakes (microupgrades), while you are Mr. Perfect Man who does not play standard battles anymore till he can buy the supply kit...

 

5) "successfull free-user" again... oh boy... are you having breakfast with helium?

 

6) you literally changed idea! You were hating junkies till you conveniently felt in love for a fellow kid who told you to make Gifs too... But we do not care about your taste and your choice! Concerning whining on the Forum 1104 posts vs 149: damn you do not get Math!

 

7) Start using Wikipedia, pal... it is free of charge and you do not have to finance it... and get a life: as miserable as it could be, remember that drugs will not make it better.

 

8) Damn you are finally leaving? I certainly never found you in a battle (you would be just another tank with 3 icons on, technically categorized as noob drugger), but really wish you learn the art of Leading by Example, or none will ever care about your so important Game "Success" Story. (HERE FAREWELL EMOTICON)

 

 

I have now played without using supplies for about a week. I don't think it is at all as frustrating as people here tell. Not a single time have I felt a need to insult anyone. Often I see extra supplies appear on enemies when I attack them, but hey, that's just life - I use the "skill" to beat them anyway :D I'm playing freeze so for me one of the "skills" is going round the enemy and freeze them at the same time so that they cannot shoot back and eventually freeze to death or get killed by my team mate - that's the way I've always played also with supplies, so not so much new there.

 

I have still plenty of choice regarding the battles I enter. I can select battlefields that fit well to my turret. For freeze the best battlefields are moderately sized ones so that snipers won't dominate. Also the battle must have enough players in it before I enter as freeze does not work well in one-on-one type battles. I also try to select battles where my rank is among the top three ranks that can enter the battle. It's not more difficult than that, I don't even feel a need for Pro battles where everybody would be prevented from using supplies. In the end results of battles I have still very often been in the top half - maybe not as high as with supplies but hey, still in the top half.

 

Based on all this I am now even more sure than I was earlier that all the talk about supplies being SO overwhelming is just plain rubbish. I have done this just as kind of an experiment, I will return back to using supplies later (if I continue playing Tanki in the first place as I'm extremely fed up with the daily insults in the chats of the battles). I just started doing this experiment as I thought I should spare some of my supplies now as they cannot anymore be bought as cheaply in the garage as earlier.

 

Translation: you got toasted, supplies are expensive, you leave the game. We all agree finally ;)

Edited November 23, 2016 by Gabe2607

[illi2104 55]

Was a good read except for the above part...

Ok but why? Easiest kills are the supply users who don't even turn their turrets.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Ok but why? Easiest kills are the supply users who don't even turn their turrets.

Why? Because the "rubbish" statement marginalizes my experiences so far in the game.

 

There are many that can turn their turret. Combined with a vast use of supplies it can easily turn a close game into a route.

 

Again, it's all opinions and we are free to disagree.

[Gabe2607 499]

 

I hope I'm wrong but this is how I see the consequences of this update:

 

So called "pros" who despise noob druggers won't buy PRO pass once it won't be free anymore because:

• They will still consider they shouldn't be obliged to spend crystals to play supplies-free battles
• They will be afraid not to find enough non-druggers to play with and a wide choice of supplies-free battles to join (including maps they like or which fit their favorite/sole combo)
• They will not want to bother creating a supplies-free battle and waiting for ages for non-druggers to join

Therefore they will join standard battles through the Battle button and will keep yelling at noob druggers who simply use a game feature.

 

 

1) Right

2) Partially right. "Afraid" is definitely wrong for non druggers, as we fight drugged tanks. Fact is that druggers joined in mass these PRO battles these days and made it a weird situation. How will it be after the Freebies? I am not going to waste 5000 crys to check it, but playing PRO (I mean, really PRO = fair equipment battles) was great!

3) I am rarely creating new battles anyway.

4) The Battle Button? Pressed three times and ended three times alone. You have fun with it.

 

Now, getting a Drug Pass would solve all problems. Buyers have no problem wasting 5000 crystals or even more.

[illi2104 55]

Now, getting a Drug Pass would solve all problems. Buyers have no problem wasting 5000 crystals or even more.

Nope. Buyers and supply users are not the same thing. I suppose the majority of players who use supplies do not spend any real money on this game.

[wolverine848 13,097]

So called "pros" who despise noob druggers won't buy the PRO Battle Pass once it won't be free anymore because:

• They will still consider they shouldn't be obliged to spend crystals to play supplies-free battles
• They will be afraid not to find enough non-druggers to play with and a wide choice of supplies-free battles to join (including maps they like or which fit their favorite/sole combo)
• They will not want to bother creating a supplies-free battle and waiting for ages for non-druggers to join

>> Therefore, non-druggers will join standard battles through the Battle button to play with noob druggers and will keep blaming them for using supplies even though noob druggers are completely legitimate to use this game feature.

 

Keep banging that drum and continue painting with that nice broad brush. it must be at least 3 feet wide.

 

My issues have been...

- teams that outnumber oponents by a good margin and still continue to use supplies = ridiculously lopsided

- when only one team has enough supplies to start a drug war = ridiculously lop-sided

Ridiculously lop-sided battles are bad for tanki in the long run.

 

Your complaining about the complainers is somewhat ironic.

 

"afraid" is emotional.  Number of battles available is not emotional. It is factual.

We'll see what battles are actually available after the free passes are gone.

[Gabe2607 499]

(1) Don't bother replying to whiners who suggest to make others pay

The usual non sense trolling...

[Chill.Out 286]

I don't use supplies.... :P

[inthehouse81 34]

*dead topic*

:P

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

*dead topic*

:P

Yes, leave it that way, or 2000mc is going to come in and preach.

[T-34-3m 360]

Speak not of the lord in vain.

[Viking4s 10,791]

how to defend properly a flag with a few mines

Edited December 19, 2016 by Viking4s

[Lankero 595]

Gabe, it is totally irrelevant to compare the effects of microupgrades and supplies, my point is in no way related to that. (If you still like to compare them, remember that microupgrades are a permanent change while supplies only last a few tens of seconds, you said it yourself). My point is that everyone should have a freedom to select their own style of playing and have the right to play in their own chosen style without having to listen to that everlasting whining, yelling and complaining about their style of playing. Be it (the style) supplies, microupgrades, certain turrets or hulls, whatever, let the players choose their playing style and stop yelling in chats. ok? Every player has the exact same chance of getting supplies as everyone else, so there is nothing unfair related to that. The only thing there is is that some players are just so stupid that they don't want to use them even though they are given to them for free. Instead they only want to yell and whine. That's really silly and makes playing not so funny anymore, that's what I have meant when I have talked about dropping of other players' feelings.

 

Players that refuse to use supplies have claimed in game chats for example that it is more skillful to not use drugs. That is absurd. Players who use drugs need to master 5 more keys than players who don't. I find it a very desirable skill to, for example, hit 2 just before a rail or shaft hits you or 1 at the exact optimal moment when you are taking the enemy flag. Claiming that someone becomes more skillful without utilizing some very useful game feature is as intelligent a claim as saying that I become more skillful if I play with my eyes closed. How stupid do you have to be to value that kind of skills not required by the game?

 

Another claim is related to usage of real money. I think that's quite absurd a claim as well. I don't know if there are any statistics on what players use their crystals on most when they have bought crystals with real money, but what difference would it make anyway? Personally I don't use real money for this game but who am I to blame anyone who does? I am supposed to be thankful to everyone who supports the developers by using real money on this, as that is the thing that makes it possible for us others to play this for free. It's just plain natural that nobody would develop this kind of a game for free, also claiming that someone should do something like that is just plain absurd.

 

I also find it quite selfish and cocky that some people take the right to state their own rules that the game does not have (like 'drugging is not allowed' or 'killing is not allowed when gold box is dropping' etc.) I'm wondering what makes people think they are above others like that.

This.... 

 

Yea it's old but I just found this ok

Edited December 19, 2016 by Lankero

[Lankero 595]

Just make supplies cheaper? Shouldn't that fix it all? I guess not because for a lot of people using drugs is a great violation of their moral code.  :unsure:

[Gabe2607 499]

This.... 

 

Yea it's old but I just found this ok

Yeah, drugging is a style, non druggers are whiners, same chances to get supplies, non druggers are stupid, TO lives on drugs...

 

Sure it was an ok post... Now, what are you drinking, because I want some too... :P

 

Just make supplies cheaper? Shouldn't that fix it all? I guess not because for a lot of people using drugs is a great violation of their moral code.  :unsure:

Actually it would be better if they were costing 10 times more... B)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

This.... 

 

Yea it's old but I just found this ok

Illi2104 is such a sensitive troll there's no point in bringing him up. All he wants is to silence all dissent on the game mechanism.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Just make supplies cheaper? Shouldn't that fix it all? I guess not because for a lot of people using drugs is a great violation of their moral code.  :unsure:

If supplies were free for all, I would love it. It would make the whole game a lot better. :)

[Lankero 595]

Yeah, drugging is a style, non druggers are whiners, same chances to get supplies, non druggers are stupid, TO lives on drugs...

 

Sure it was an ok post... Now, what are you drinking, because I want some too... :P

 

Actually it would be better if they were costing 10 times more... B)

Drugging is considered as a playing style because some people just refuse to drug and call themselves pros for that. Yeah because not using an essential game mechanic makes you a pro  

 

If supplies were free for all, I would love it. It would make the whole game a lot better. :)

You need to pay a price to obtain advantages, even the ones that last for 40 seconds. And to be able to pay that price is what separates a good player from a noob. 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Lankero

[Gabe2607 499]

Drugging is considered as a playing style because some people just refuse to drug and call themselves pros for that. Yeah because not using an essential game mechanic makes you a pro  :rolleyes:

 

You need to pay a price to obtain advantages, even the ones that last for 40 seconds. And to be able to pay that price is what separates a good player from a noob. 

Is it easier to play with drugs or without? Do you learn more from a harder school or from a softer one? Now it should be easier to understand who has a bigger chance to turn PRO...

 

"To be able to pay that price is what separates a good player from a noob"... oh dear... Bill Gates is a much better player than you then (but I doubt you will understand the joke, as you sound... very very young for economy discussions) :)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Drugging is considered as a playing style because some people just refuse to drug and call themselves pros for that. Yeah because not using an essential game mechanic makes you a pro  :rolleyes:

 

Refuse? It's not an essential game mechanic if you say it's a special advantage given to buyers. If it's an essential game mechanic available to everyone, then why isn't everyone drugging? You can't have it both ways. And when you play without drugs against druggers, using nothing but your own skill, it is professional.

 

You need to pay a price to obtain advantages, even the ones that last for 40 seconds. and give 100% advantage eachAnd to be able to pay that price is what separates a good player from a noob. 

 

More like what seperates a long-since Legend or buyer from a non-buyer of lower xp level.

[Lankero 595]

 

Drugging is considered as a playing style because some people just refuse to drug and call themselves pros for that. Yeah because not using an essential game mechanic makes you a pro  :rolleyes:

 

Refuse? It's not an essential game mechanic if you say it's a special advantage given to buyers. If it's an essential game mechanic available to everyone, then why isn't everyone drugging? You can't have it both ways. And when you play without drugs against druggers, using nothing but your own skill, it is professional.

 

You need to pay a price to obtain advantages, even the ones that last for 40 seconds. and give 100% advantage eachAnd to be able to pay that price is what separates a good player from a noob. 

 

More like what seperates a long-since Legend or buyer from a non-buyer of lower xp level.

 

"If it's an essential game mechanic available to everyone, then why isn't everyone drugging?" 

 

Because some noobs refuse to use them and call themselves pros for that :) 

 

Does drugging violate your moral-code or something? And this is directed to every non-drugger here. 

 

Funny how you are saying that there wouldn't be a lot of druggers :lol: Using the essential game mechanic : drugs. You just can't really see any of them because many of you non-druggers spend 5x more time on the forum whining about the drugs, rather than trying to make crystals to make crystals yourself, where you would face them. Well I guess it would only result in to more hours and posts on the forum. And when exaclty did I say drugs are an advantage only for buyers? If I remember correctly I've been trying to point out that even non-buyers can afford drugs and a good garage. But I think you haven't realised that. That makes me kind of sad that I've wasted so much time here on forum :( 

 

40 seconds of doubled stats, Ikr that is too much advantages for druggers thats it I'mm quitting, not like I could try to fight back by drugging myself too. 

 

I totally agree with you, it is pure professionality to get rekt by druggers, while you could drug back just as easily but you go whining about it on forum  :rolleyes: 

 

No matter when did you start playing this game, you've always needed to be smart and know how to save your crystals etc.... It's pointless to try to use that as an excuse. 

Edited December 19, 2016 by Lankero

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I said "buyers" not "druggers".  Buyers buy kits, modules and supplies to aid in dominating non-buyers. Supplies are a big part of it though.

 

And below Gismo is where many of the non-drug-wars are. Buyers (with great garage for their rank) dominate the non-buyers who are still working on their first M2 or M3 combo and have less "disposable income" to spend on luxuries like supplies.

I'm trying but I cannot manage to get dominated so far.

 

 

I have now played without using supplies for about a week. I don't think it is at all as frustrating as people here tell. Not a single time have I felt a need to insult anyone. Often I see extra supplies appear on enemies when I attack them, but hey, that's just life - I use the "skill" to beat them anyway :D I'm playing freeze so for me one of the "skills" is going round the enemy and freeze them at the same time so that they cannot shoot back and eventually freeze to death or get killed by my team mate - that's the way I've always played also with supplies, so not so much new there.

 

I have still plenty of choice regarding the battles I enter. I can select battlefields that fit well to my turret. For freeze the best battlefields are moderately sized ones so that snipers won't dominate. Also the battle must have enough players in it before I enter as freeze does not work well in one-on-one type battles. I also try to select battles where my rank is among the top three ranks that can enter the battle. It's not more difficult than that, I don't even feel a need for Pro battles where everybody would be prevented from using supplies. In the end results of battles I have still very often been in the top half - maybe not as high as with supplies but hey, still in the top half.

 

Based on all this I am now even more sure than I was earlier that all the talk about supplies being SO overwhelming is just plain rubbish. I have done this just as kind of an experiment, I will return back to using supplies later (if I continue playing Tanki in the first place as I'm extremely fed up with the daily insults in the chats of the battles). I just started doing this experiment as I thought I should spare some of my supplies now as they cannot anymore be bought as cheaply in the garage as earlier.

 

I fully back the idea of supplies. My objections on functionality really boil down to the DD/DA supplies.

 

1) They are simplistic.

2) They may be simplistic but their single simple function is phenomenally powerful compared to the differnces between, say, m1 and m2 gea, or MU stages.

3) Yes despite all this power if two enemies use them both they cancel each other out. It as is they were never used at all.

 

So these things are either dominating a skirmish or completely canceled out. There simply has to be a more interesting system.

 

The Repair Kit is a good item but there are three times as many of them in a supplies kit as there should be. That would restore teh 3:1 valuare ration and supply kit buying would not be very worrisome.

 

Speed-ups and Mines are only as beneficial as the player using them. A rotten driver going 40% faster is probably an even worse driver. Chance DA/DD to something that feeds into the plauyer's own skill levels like speedups do. Then Tanki would be ahead.

 

I do find it amazing how many Tanki players hate this feature. Most players like getting power-ups. But this system is lame. I find it hard to understand why Tanki does not address this widespread disconttent..

[dan146_tanker 770]

​WARNING: Do Not click on this spoiler if you are a hater, troller, get annoyed easily, like supplies, if your a buyer or if you think Tanki is NOT Pay2win. I do not want annoying comments coming to me saying how supplies don't ruin the game, ignore this post if you like supplies!!!! I mean go, go to another topic if it helps, go here

 

 

Listen, if you need a double damage to make your turret stronger than someone else's Tank so you can kill them.... How is that fair? If you drug you do nothing more then rely heavily on your tank to be overpowered. It is the only way you can get kills. Now when you start to tell me that's skill, that's when I know your as smart as a tree. NO your less smart then the tree, if you think supplies require any skill then... then I don't know, then you probably think the moon is made of cheese and superman is real. I've heard so many people say it takes skill to make your M2 overpowered so you can kill that M1 wasp. And trust me if you go to any battle it will basically be a drug war. And even if your an M1 wasp fighting an M2 railgun people still use supplies. Just why is my question? Just why?

 

Edited December 19, 2016 by dan146_tanker

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

"If it's an essential game mechanic available to everyone, then why isn't everyone drugging?" 

 

Because some noobs refuse to use them and call themselves pros for that :)

Does drugging violate your moral-code or something? And this is directed to every non-drugger here. 

Funny how you are saying that there wouldn't be a lot of druggers :lol: Using the essential game mechanic : drugs. You just can't really see any of them because many of you non-druggers spend 5x more time on the forum whining about the drugs, rather than trying to make crystals to make crystals yourself, where you would face them. Well I guess it would only result in to more hours and posts on the forum. And when exaclty did I say drugs are an advantage only for buyers? If I remember correctly I've been trying to point out that even non-buyers can afford drugs and a good garage. But I think you haven't realised that. That makes me kind of sad that I've wasted so much time here on forum :(

40 seconds of doubled stats, Ikr that is too much advantages for druggers thats it I'mm quitting, not like I could try to fight back by drugging myself too. 

I totally agree with you, it is pure professionality to get rekt by druggers, while you could drug back just as easily but you go whining about it on forum   :rolleyes:

No matter when did you start playing this game, you've always needed to be smart and know how to save your crystals etc.... It's pointless to try to use that as an excuse. 

 

Basically you're saying that people are noobs for not drugging back but relying on their own skills, and that everyone has enough drugs to play fairly. That's wrong.

 

Everyone gets supplies from missions, etc. However, they're FORCED to use them in order to compete. Just because you drug because you are FORCED to by heavy druggers doesn't mean you have to like the system.  It drains everyone's resources and morphs into a war of attrition in which buyers and high-xp Legends are bound to win.

 

Again, it is the noob who has to use drugs against non-druggers because he/she is insecure about their virtual status and success.