Let's Discuss Supplies!

[dan146_tanker 770]

Basically you're saying that people are noobs for not drugging back but relying on their own skills, and that everyone has enough drugs to play fairly. That's wrong.

 

Everyone gets supplies from missions, etc. However, they're FORCED to use them in order to compete. Just because you drug because you are FORCED to by heavy druggers doesn't mean you have to like the system.  It drains everyone's resources and morphs into a war of attrition in which buyers and high-xp Legends are bound to win.

 

Again, it is the noob who has to use drugs against non-druggers because he/she is insecure about their virtual status and success.

Edited December 19, 2016 by dan146_tanker

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Drugging is considered as a playing style because some people just refuse to drug and call themselves pros for that. Yeah because not using an essential game mechanic makes you a pro  :rolleyes:

 

You need to pay a price to obtain advantages, even the ones that last for 40 seconds. And to be able to pay that price is what separates a good player from a noob. 

The ability to pay twenty dollars does not convert a poor player into a good one.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I used to play a game called Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC). It was a MMORPG designed to support player vs player in an epic 3-way eternal war. So like tanki the idea was to fight other players.

 

Every game is exploited and its system abused. One abuse is victory by wallet... richer players can simply win more. In Tanki those people are called buyers and they are cursed for their bottomless drug stockpiles.

 

In DAOC (and other MMORPGs) the buyer problem takes the form of "bots". This is like a Tanki "mult" but motre so. It is a 2nd game position run at the same time as the main position. Tanki is too hands-on for one player to run two tanks... but that was not the case in DAOC for the most part.

 

 

Imagine a Tanki Buyer who not only has a lot of drugs, he also has his very own personal Isida to do nothing but follow him around in support 100% of the time.

 

But the biggest differences between a mult/buyer in tanki and a bot in DAOC is this: cost and amount of advantage a dollar could buy.

 

In Tanki to run a mult I open a 2nd browser window. In DAOC to run a bot I buy a 2nd computer, a 2nd copy of the game, a 2nd internet conection, and a 2nd monthly subscription. In Tanki if I want to be a buy I can spend $20 and get all the supplies I can use for 2-3 months. To be a bot user in DAOC I have to pay hundreds of dollars for the PC and then pay 50-100 dollars extra each moth for the 2nd line and subscription.

 

So that is why I am not overly worried about buyers. If it really really came down to it about 5 dollars a month would buy me all the drug support I'd need. The bot problem in DAC was far more rich/poor and the impact was also far far greater.

 

I don't buy the drug jits simply because the game is less fun with non-stop power-ups. Same reason I've never turned on "god mode" on a PS/XBox console game.

Edited December 19, 2016 by LittleWillie

[Gabe2607 499]

 

"If it's an essential game mechanic available to everyone, then why isn't everyone drugging?" 

 

Because some noobs refuse to use them and call themselves pros for that :)

 

Does drugging violate your moral-code or something? And this is directed to every non-drugger here. 

 

Funny how you are saying that there wouldn't be a lot of druggers :lol: Using the essential game mechanic : drugs. You just can't really see any of them because many of you non-druggers spend 5x more time on the forum whining about the drugs, rather than trying to make crystals to make crystals yourself, where you would face them. Well I guess it would only result in to more hours and posts on the forum. And when exaclty did I say drugs are an advantage only for buyers? If I remember correctly I've been trying to point out that even non-buyers can afford drugs and a good garage. But I think you haven't realised that. That makes me kind of sad that I've wasted so much time here on forum :(

 

40 seconds of doubled stats, Ikr that is too much advantages for druggers thats it I'mm quitting, not like I could try to fight back by drugging myself too. 

 

I totally agree with you, it is pure professionality to get rekt by druggers, while you could drug back just as easily but you go whining about it on forum   :rolleyes:

 

No matter when did you start playing this game, you've always needed to be smart and know how to save your crystals etc.... It's pointless to try to use that as an excuse. 

 

Everyone is telling you, but you fail to understand. Trying again... You buy 100 Dollars/Euro/Whatever of drugs. In your opinion all the others have to do is to spend the same 100 Dollars (or be Legend with full garage, play 24 hours a day and put together a similar amount of drugs). But then one player cannot spend even 1 Dollar and is not Legend. That player for you is a user not using game mechanics... One day another user comes up and spends 1,000 Dollars, which you do not have. Ops... that is a day that you do not play...

[Lankero 595]

The ability to pay twenty dollars does not convert a poor player into a good one.

If you would actually be a pro you could collect crystals worth of 20$ ;) 

[Lankero 595]

Everyone is telling you, but you fail to understand. Trying again... You buy 100 Dollars/Euro/Whatever of drugs. In your opinion all the others have to do is to spend the same 100 Dollars (or be Legend with full garage, play 24 hours a day and put together a similar amount of drugs). But then one player cannot spend even 1 Dollar and is not Legend. That player for you is a user not using game mechanics... One day another user comes up and spends 1,000 Dollars, which you do not have. Ops... that is a day that you do not play...

Does every non-drugger think you need to pay 100€ to be able to be a drugger......? Wow just wow

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Does every non-drugger think you need to pay 100€ to be able to be a drugger......? Wow just wow

No, but you are forced to use the supplies you get, and you can't keep up if you want to compete at an equal level.

[Gabe2607 499]

Does every non-drugger think you need to pay 100€ to be able to be a drugger......? Wow just wow

Dear, take my post to daddy and he will explain you what I meant...

 

Do we tell them again it's possible to become a successful noob drugger without spending 0.00$? :lol:

Here comes Mr. Successful again... :wacko:

[LittleWillie 3,199]

If you would actually be a pro you could collect crystals worth of 20$ ;)

 

 

Does every non-drugger think you need to pay 100€ to be able to be a drugger......? Wow just wow

 

 

Do we tell them again it's possible to become a successful noob drugger without spending 0.00$? :lol:

So according to you two...

 

In your world a player who got all supplies from missions has the same competetive potatial as a player who did his missions plus bought a $20 drug kit.

 

So player A has, say, 50 Repair kits and 150 of each other supply.

 

Player B has the same 50 RK and 150 others from missions, plus 1500 of each from his wallet.

 

So we are expected to believe that Player A with 50 /   150 /   150 /   150 /  150

can match drug for drug with Player B's total:   1550 / 1650 / 1650 / 1650 / 1650.

 

Who's the noob here? The addtion noob?

Edited December 20, 2016 by LittleWillie

[Lankero 595]

So according to you two...

 

In your world a player who got all supplies from missions has the same competetive potatial as a player who did his missions plus bought a $20 drug kit.

 

So player A has, say, 50 Repair kits and 150 of each other supply.

 

Player B has the same 50 RK and 150 others from missions, plus 15000 of each from his wallet.

 

So we are expected to believe that Player A with 50 / 150 / 150 /150  / 150

can match drug for drug with Player B who has 1550 / 1650 / 1650 / 1650 / 1650.

 

Who's the noob here? The addtion noob?

I think you have forgotten something  called a PRO battle  :rolleyes: And guess what you can do there? :O Turn supplies off! Never would of thought of that  B)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I think you have forgotten something  called a PRO battle  :rolleyes: And guess what you can do there? :o Turn supplies off! Never would of thought of that  B)

Ah, so now you move on to a different claim then "non-buyers can easily compete and get enough supplies to fight effectively against buyers."  Too hard to back that up, huh?  At least you can adapt and change your rhetoric instead of repeating stuff over and over like 2000mc. :)

 

And please, please, PLEASe stop with "play PRO battle". I've explained millions of times why you can't do that. This morning in EN3 there were very few no-drugs PRO battles with a time limit, and most of those were empty.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

Use this

 

 

 

 

 

Then this

 

 

 

B)

 

 

Sometimes you don't want to play with the same people over and over, especially since they don't like loosing all the time...

Edited December 20, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Lankero 595]

Ah, so now you move on to a different claim then "non-buyers can easily compete and get enough supplies to fight effectively against buyers."  Too hard to back that up, huh?  At least you can adapt and change your rhetoric instead of repeating stuff over and over like 2000mc. :)

 

And please, please, PLEASe stop with "play PRO battle". I've explained millions of times why you can't do that. This morning in EN3 there were very few no-drugs PRO battles with a time limit, and most of those were empty.

 At least you can adapt and change your rhetoric instead of repeating stuff over and over like 2000mc. :)

 

Especially when Tomato explained to you in great detail why you are wrong & you can actually play pro battles 

[Lankero 595]

Ah, so now you move on to a different claim then "non-buyers can easily compete and get enough supplies to fight effectively against buyers."  Too hard to back that up, huh?  At least you can adapt and change your rhetoric instead of repeating stuff over and over like 2000mc. :)

 

And please, please, PLEASe stop with "play PRO battle". I've explained millions of times why you can't do that. This morning in EN3 there were very few no-drugs PRO battles with a time limit, and most of those were empty.

By playing PRO battles, you can earn crystals for drugs easier without spending any drugs yourself. Seems like this suggestion was too advanced for you to understand? 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

 

Especially when Tomato explained to you in great detail why you are wrong & you can actually play pro battles 

Trust me, if I always had good PRO battles available, I would play those battles. -_-

[Lankero 595]

Trust me, if I always had good PRO battles available, I would play those battles. -_-

OR just create a PRO battle for your own taste, and play that! :O

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

OR just create a PRO battle for your own taste, and play that! :o

I would love to if I had the time to wait for people to actually join and not empty out after each round...

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Currently 15 Pro battles on EN2, Would you like me to list all the pro battles on each server for you whilst you find another excuse why you cant play them?

That's nothing. 

[dan146_tanker 770]

By playing PRO battles, you can earn crystals for drugs easier without spending any drugs yourself. Seems like this suggestion was too advanced for you to understand? 

Are you for real?! Tell me your joking man... You think by playing PRO battles its cheaper? Wow... you seem to have less intelligence than a tree right now...

[dan146_tanker 770]

You cant choose a battle from 15? Thats just 1 server. I guess the grass in the local park is the wrong shade of green for you to enter those battles  :lol: or maybe too many clouds in the sky  :D

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

You cant choose a battle from 15? Thats just 1 server. I guess the grass in the local park is the wrong shade of green for you to enter those battles  :lol: or maybe too many clouds in the sky  :D

Out of 15 this morning:

 

5 were parkour.

 

6 had no time limit.

 

2 were on Polygon.

 

1 had 2 players in it.

 

The remaining one was good, but unfortunately I do not like to play for more than half an hour at a time...

[dan146_tanker 770]

 

 

 

[Lankero 595]

Are you for real?! Tell me your joking man... You think by playing PRO battles its cheaper? Wow... you seem to have less intelligence than a tree right now...

I would be glad if you would explain how am I dumber than a tree right now. :) 

 

 

Without using any memes, thx

 

 

[dan146_tanker 770]

I would be glad if you would explain how am I dumber than a tree right now. :)

 

 

Without using any memes, thx

 

 

Someone already explained didn't they? I mean you said 15 battles immediately indicates that there are plenty of choices out there? I mean its not like at least 90% of those battles would be either XP/BP, XP, BP, DR, Parkour. And the remaining battles; wouldn't they be contaminated with noob, oh I mean ''PRO'' druggers that need supplies to kill an M2 while they are M4? I mean just read someone else's comment:

 

Out of 15 this morning:

 

5 were parkour.

 

6 had no time limit.

 

2 were on Polygon.

 

1 had 2 players in it.

 

The remaining one was good, but unfortunately I do not like to play for more than half an hour at a time...

 

The fact that you think supplies require skill... And you think by pressing ''buy'' on your screen you are a PRO... well... Yeah..

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

http://en.tankiwiki.com/Supplies#Smart_Cooldowns

Let me also clear something up:

 

The use of supplies in a battle where everyone is drugging takes more skill than a battle where nobody is drugging.  You have to memorize smart cooldowns, know when to use a certain drug, when's the best time to pop a RK, etc. In addition, you must be paying attention to others' smart cooldowns by memorizing what they just activated, etc.  2000mc is right, it takes more skill to play a all-drug battle than a no-drug battle.

 

P.S. Heavy drug battles tend to gravitate towards heavy hulls, but that's another discussion.

 

HOWEVER:

 

The use of supplies in a battle where most people are not drugging or drugging sparingly does not take more skill. How can it take more skill to fight when you have a 450% advantage? It's common sense, if I'm using M3 combo against Warrrant officers, I need less skill to achieve the same performance as I would achieve with an M1 combo.  THIS situation is what us non-druggers keep in mind when we say drugging doesn't take as much skill.