Let's Discuss Supplies!

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I so often just don't read the battle chat.

[Gabe2607 499]

 

Getting back to my point: I kindly ask that the game chat moderators start asap to ban players who complain about other players' supply usage in the game chats. As a first step words like 'noob', 'drug' and 'drugger' should be censored in the same way as the f word and the like are censored now.

 

This list of reasons is far from complete:

1. Using supplies is completely in line with the game rules and is allowed. Actions like

– insults, threats, slander;

– obscene language, including in the implied form;

– flooding, flaming, spam, printing in capital letters (CAPS LOCK);

is clearly prohibited in the rules (even that is not a complete list, I just copied a few in the very beginning of them). I respectfully ask that Tanki moderators start carrying out these rules.

2. It has been generally agreed for example in this forum discussion that most of the Tanki players are children. Many of them do not speak English as their first language. Therefore they cannot even defend themselves (not that they would want to start arguing with other players in the first place) but they can still see when their own nickname is put in the chat in the same exclamation with the words mentioned above. It's clear that it ruins their game experience, just like it ruins the game experience of every other player who plays according to the game rules. For the same reason (English) they cannot bring up their wishes in this forum or answer polls or surveys Tanki organizes. I kindly ask the Tanki stuff to understand that in this post I represent this very large group of Tanki players.

3. It is plain common sense that people should treat each other respectfully. Especially children should be taught to do so, so that they can then do it as grownups. Players are banned for many other reasons and bad behavior in the chat and elsewhere, so it is just plain natural that also this thing is added among those things, too.

 

Thank you for reading this. Respectfully,

illi2104

 

From Google:

 

- NOOB definition: a person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.

- DRUGGER definition: a drug addict or habitual user of drugs.

Soon Google shall add:

Someone that constantly require garage drugs to prevail on players using only battle supplies is definitely a Noob Drugger.

[Gabe2607 499]

Totally agree, This is the sort of behavior i witness in battles...

 

 

 

I was banned for that, so Mods did their job. Fact is that in Chat Violations your name comes out considerably more times than mine and I would love for you to post those chats too. Users should also know that you and others actually provoke (like here) purposely with the intent of reporting the following outburst. The same day another user, with no links to me, was banned for addressing to your mom the same way... Now that I know better, I send you and your mom my deepest love  :P

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I was banned for that, so Mods did their job. Fact is that in Chat Violations your name comes out considerably more times than mine and I would love for you to post those chats too. Users should also know that you and others actually provoke (like here) purposely with the intent of reporting the following outburst. The same day another user, with no links to me, was banned for addressing to your mom the same way... Now that I know better, I send you and your mom my deepest love  :P

Hmm the other point of view in the soap opera.

 

Seems like DejectedTomato here might be a bit of the control freak. People complain abut things they don't like. Takes a bit of a God complex to assume you can tell 50,000 other people not to speak their minds.

 

On othe other other hand, I don't see the point in confronting the druggers. Hate the pusher, not the user. Tanki deserves our scorn for putting in a Supplies system that actually detracts from the game.

[illi2104 55]

Many opinions brought up, many of them well predictable beforehand. I just can't get it how some of you can understate clear abuse. I never suggested anyone obeying the rules should be banned, so if an automatic instant ban for 5 minutes is so tough a punishment you say, why couldn't they then just do as the rules tell and avoid that ban? Wouldn't it be very simple? Instead you say that the players being abused should do things like stop using chat, ignore people etc. That is so sick in my opinion. My proposal was based on the game rules that already exist and manners so it is very hard for me to understand how anyone can even try to question it and be serious at the same time. What does it tell about respect and the value of the game rules?

 

Anyway, my initial letter was primarily addressed to the Tanki staff and I would appreciate to hear their opinion on this. So is abuse prohibited or are the game rules just a decoration?

[LittleWillie 3,199]

 

From Google:

 

- NOOB definition: a person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.

- DRUGGER definition: a drug addict or habitual user of drugs.

Soon Google shall add:

Someone that constantly require garage drugs to prevail on players using only battle supplies is definitely a Noob Drugger.

 

Right, "drugger" as used in Tanki jargon is different than it is used in the general public. How can you expect a gaming company to ban a player for using that game's jargon. It's a vicious circle.  Tanki would have to ban itself and [poof] would go out of existence in leap of pure logic. . :blink:

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 That is so sick in my opinion. My proposal was based on the game rules that already exist and manners so it is very hard for me to understand how anyone can even try to question it and be serious at the same time. 

 

In fact, it is you that is mislead.  The majority of players would be strongly against your opinion to ban anyone who types "drugger" if polled.  

 

"Very hard for you to understand." I'm glad you admit that, as others wouldn't.  This is my point.  You are not in any position to show empathy to the vast majority of young players who are non-druggers.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Many opinions brought up, many of them well predictable beforehand. I just can't get it how some of you can understate clear abuse. I never suggested anyone obeying the rules should be banned, so if an automatic instant ban for 5 minutes is so tough a punishment you say, why couldn't they then just do as the rules tell and avoid that ban? Wouldn't it be very simple? Instead you say that the players being abused should do things like stop using chat, ignore people etc. That is so sick in my opinion. My proposal was based on the game rules that already exist and manners so it is very hard for me to understand how anyone can even try to question it and be serious at the same time. What does it tell about respect and the value of the game rules?

 

Anyway, my initial letter was primarily addressed to the Tanki staff and I would appreciate to hear their opinion on this. So is abuse prohibited or are the game rules just a decoration?

I still don't understand your concept of "clear" abuse. Am I right you say another player should be banned because they complain about supplies use in the game?

 

That's not clear abuse, that is someone speaking their mind about a valid flaw in this game. When people dislike somethng they complain - admittedly not always in the most productive manner. But it is going to happen.

 

If you want to silence this sort of commentary, you are so dead-flat wrong. But once again, I am not sure what you really want.

 

Stuff about one's mom, base language etc of course should carry consequences. But that sort of stuff does seem to get attention.

[T-34-3m 360]

 

From Google:

 

- NOOB definition: a person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.

- DRUGGER definition: a drug addict or habitual user of drugs.

Soon Google shall add:

Someone that constantly require garage drugs to prevail on players using only battle supplies is definitely a Noob Drugger.

 

 

 

I don't quite think you realize how contradictory that is. If a supplies user were inexperienced, he wouldn't have a large stock of drugs to use. If he were a drugger, he would burn them out eventually. So how then, can a drugger be both inexperienced and have lots of crystals and supplies? If you say buying you're as big a crybaby as you make yourself out to be.

 

If you look at my profile, or my garage, I have plenty of supplies. Because I don't spend all day breathing heavily and typing away about how unfair it is you have to work to earn those supplies. I actually use what I have to the best of my ability. Please, just stop being a joke.

 

 

Vent over.

[T-34-3m 360]

Where have you been man??? We've been waiting for this comment for ages!!! :lol:

Plugging my ears and waiting for one of you to do it.

[Maf 32,300]

By the way, some people tried to educate players about it... In vain :lol:

The reason why people call supplies "drugs" is not only because it's shorter and quicker to type, but also because the very first supply box that was added (the repair kit) has a syringe symbol on all sides, which is why people saw it as a literal drug box. The symbol was later changed to a cross and, more recently, to a wrench, but the name stayed.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Most of players who don't use supplies don't spend money either, why showing empathy to dissatisfied free-users?

This is beside the point and unnecessary.  You didn't give me a direct response or defense at all :(

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Well from now on don't wait for my go-ahead and share your wisdom whenever you read a bad loser blaming others for her lack of competitiveness! :lol:

Blaming others? Rather, blame the whole system of supplies that Tanki set up. That's whats at fault, not the players who exploit it.

[Maf 32,300]

I already quoted you above

You don't say. That's why ended up in this topic  -_-

[illi2104 55]

I still don't understand your concept of "clear" abuse. Am I right you say another player should be banned because they complain about supplies use in the game?

 

That's not clear abuse, that is someone speaking their mind about a valid flaw in this game. When people dislike somethng they complain - admittedly not always in the most productive manner. But it is going to happen.

 

If you want to silence this sort of commentary, you are so dead-flat wrong. But once again, I am not sure what you really want.

 

Stuff about one's mom, base language etc of course should carry consequences. But that sort of stuff does seem to get attention.

I am saying that insults like calling someone a drugger or noob is abuse. It is not someone speaking his mind about a game feature, it is an attack against another person. If someone wants to complain about a game feature, she can do it for example here in the forum, preferably still in a productive manner. I am astonished how you people cannot see the difference between talking about a person and about a matter.

 

I suggested automation for the bans because the mods' workload was disclosed.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Drugger isn't an official term, just a noun invented by moaners players to rage at call someone who uses supplies. Feel free to check every official articles, you'll see they mention "supplies" and not "drugs" :P

 

Official term?  Neither is "Gismo". But people use that all the time.

 

If it bothers you so much why don't you use the ignore function?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

So you admit that dissatisfied players should complain to devs on the forum and not to noob druggers in-game? Because that's what Gabe2607 is actually doing daily alongside thousands of other moaners... :rolleyes:

Yes, that is what I think. However, I don't see where you got "admit" from, as I never "admitted" anything :P

 

I don't hold druggers responsible for the supplies mechanism. But what gets on my nerves is their arrogance; the mentality that they can just do whatever they want and if someone is unhappy with them, of course it's that somebody's fault, not their own conscious choice to use supplies in battles where they know players will get angry.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I am saying that insults like calling someone a drugger or noob is abuse. It is not someone speaking his mind about a game feature, it is an attack against another person. 

No, I am the one who is still in disbelief how  in your mind, calling someone a "drugger" is abuse.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

If someone is unhappy with druggers while playing in standard battles, it's entirely that somebody's fault

Simple psychology: it's not somebody's fault if a certain thing makes them angry.  It's either the "thing", or whoever is using the "thing", or whoever gave them the "thing". *supplies*

 

Your choice.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Its that somebody choice to enter a supply enabled battle, that somebody knows full well that supplies are enabled when they click the join button, they know exactly what they are getting themselves into so why would they get angry when the players in the battle use supplies  :blink:  :blink:  :blink:

There is currently not a very good alternative. Paying to use a Pro Battle pass and finding three battles is a waste of crystals and time.

[wolverine848 13,097]

If all the players who hate supplies ("the majority" according to them) would buy a PRO pass there would be more than three PRO battles available :rolleyes:

Sure - but - don't see that happening any time soon.

 

Reverse is true as well. If Devs changed it so all supply users needed to buy a Pro Battle Pass to use supplies everyone would be happy... amirite?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Its that somebody choice to enter a supply enabled battle, that somebody knows full well that supplies are enabled when they click the join button, they know exactly what they are getting themselves into so why would they get angry when the players in the battle use supplies  :blink:  :blink:  :blink:

But that is the problem, stated beautifully:  There are not enough PRO battles (non xp/bp) to make it worthwhile, so most players treat normal battles as the "normal" Tanki, and hence have the right to complain. If Tanki installed BlackWasp777's excellent suggestion- "Pay as You Play" PRO battles, then you would be right in saying they have no right to complain. 

 

BTW don't use nouns like "whiners" or "moaners" to describe anyone who is not happy with the current supplies system.

[illi2104 55]

No, I am the one who is still in disbelief how  in your mind, calling someone a "drugger" is abuse.

Oh boy, am I really replying to this...

 

The only purpose for calling someone a drugger is to insult and offend. Therefore it is abuse. Have you ever seen someone calling another player a drugger for any other reason in Tanki chat? What could such another reason be? The player calling another player a drugger (or any other offensive name) thinks he is a better person himself, above the others, although in standard battles the expected behavior is to use supplies and therefore not using them is kind of odd.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Oh boy, am I really replying to this...

 

The only purpose for calling someone a drugger is to insult and offend. Therefore it is abuse. Have you ever seen someone calling another player a drugger for any other reason in Tanki chat? What could such another reason be? The player calling another player a drugger (or any other offensive name) thinks he is a better person himself, above the others, although in standard battles the expected behavior is to use supplies and therefore not using them is kind of odd.

No, in fact I find most people say someone is a drugger just to establish the fact that their performance comes about because they drug.  It's like a way to acknowledge someone's supply use is detrimental to the battle, and totally different than base insults. ("Your mom is a ...." comes to mind.) Is it a compliment? No, of course not. But it's not something that should result in an instant ban for sure. It's an ego-related thing and not some sort of cyberbullying as you seem to think. It is not a way to specify that they are a better person, more of a way to remind the drugger that they are not a better person because they drug.

Edited November 17, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[wolverine848 13,097]

Oh boy, am I really replying to this...

 

The only purpose for calling someone a drugger is to insult and offend. Therefore it is abuse. Have you ever seen someone calling another player a drugger for any other reason in Tanki chat? What could such another reason be? The player calling another player a drugger (or any other offensive name) thinks he is a better person himself, above the others, although in standard battles the expected behavior is to use supplies and therefore not using them is kind of odd.

It's not abuse - it's trash talk. They do not have to be mutually inclusive.  It can be one and not the other.

 

Simple way to prevent any of this... no chat allowed between teams. You can talk to your own team for strategy.

But why chat with other team during game? You're wasting time and not really playing - seen that A LOT.

 

You wanna  chat with everyone? Exit game and chat on the server. That's the appropriate place.