Let's Discuss Supplies!

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

By the way, I'm 13, smartness comes with age, not with ranks 

Are you trying to tell us you're not smart? :D

[Gabe2607 499]

Are you trying to tell us you're not smart? :D

Damn, you anticipated me :D  but he/she got time to patiently wait...

 

By the way, it takes 75 game hours to waste the 1500 drug kit. Since they removed it from the garage days ago, how comes I do not see any decrease in druggers yet? Perhaps not that many non buyers were interested or could afford it...

Edited November 18, 2016 by Gabe2607

[Gabe2607 499]

I saw that chat, after 30mins20seconds of that video you'll see that the guy got banned for a day for insults/profanity(eventually), after arguing with a few people and getting warned for provocation.

 

Back on topic...I and others said this at the time they moved the 1500 kit to the shop. The non-buyers with close-to-M4 equipment are not massively effected by only being able to buy the 100 kit now....it's highly likely that they can still make a 100kit profitable, especially when used with mission drugs...if not, they might make a small loss on their 100kit(making less than 17500crystals from using the kits' drugs)...but they can still play a game mode that they enjoy, which is drug battles....which makes it a worthwhile purchase, being that they don't need to worry so much about m-upgrades.

 

The problem is that those without nicely-upgraded M3's will probably struggle to make anything close to a profit from the 100kit. Non-high-rank battles have a lower fund, but in high rank battles they're likely to face M4 druggers. They might continue to buy the 100 kit to try and be competitive or just cos they like drug battles, but if they don't use the drugs wisely it'll be hard for them to upgrade their already outclassed garage.

 

I've played on my 2^ndLieutenant alt account recently and I didn't notice much difference in drugging either, compared with when I was at the same rank on this account.

First of all I like your tone: you express your opinion without trying to impose it. I like it.

 

1) The guy who got banned was evidently looking for it. But taping a chat for 46 minutes proves them as "Professional Trappers". Let' say they provoke you with the stereotype "loser", then you reply with "noob drugger" and after a while lose temper. They will send the moderators only the last part... Should I download the software required to tape them back? No, I am better than that :D

 

2) Now, just math applied on your theory. I made mistakes before, so if you see any let me know.

 

100 drug kit is composed by 500 drugs.

Average/hard drugger uses 20 drugs per 15 min battle.

500 / 20 = enough for 25 battles of 15 minutes.

cost of the kit 17,500 crystals (at least for me. I do not know if higher rank pay less)

to tie the cost you should make 17500 / 25 = 700 crystals per battle

My opinion? Impossible. Few times yes, but druggers lose battles too (against other druggers and than the average go down the sink).

 

TRUE you have to add daily missions, which, if 2000mc said it right, are many drugs for highest ranks (at my rank still 10/15 a day, basically nothing)

TRUE for those having a full garage, there is no other way to use your crystals anyway.

 

My point being that for the vast majority of users, buying the kit produces a loss, either of money or of crystals. 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Only those Legends who have most m3's or all the ones they want can afford to buy those 100 supply kits....hence why 2000mc, DejectedTomato and DaiDefed are so "okay" with the use of drugs, as they can get enough of them...But for all the players that don't, it becomes a nightmare playing an all-drugging battle without enough.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I have a really simple solution for you if its such a "nightmare"

 

 

dont play supply enabled battles ;)

honestly... how many of those do you see at my rank? :D

 

What I'm really hoping for is BlackWasp's PRO fund idea to be implemented.

Edited November 19, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

honestly... how many of those do you see at my rank? :D

If all the players who hate supplies ("the majority" according to them) would buy a PRO pass there would be more than three PRO battles available :rolleyes:

 

The thing is, I don't want to buy a PRO pass for 5k crystals if I'm not going to use it.  And neither does anyone else, seeing everyone else's same reaction.  It's more of a pyschological "You go first" issue.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It's up to you, supplies haterz, to organise yourselves and convince other supplies haterz to buy a PRO pass. This way you'll play between supplies haterz and won't be annoyed by noob druggerz.

You try it :D  It's a bit harder than you think.  Ofc when I make my own clan we will play non-supply battles on less popular maps for training all the time. It will be a great time! :)

 

I want you to give me one reason why you like supplies being so powerful.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

There are plenty of battles where you don't have to expend supplies.

 

Below is a video of one battle today where supplies were not allowed. I know I had premium and I know it was double funds but even without these things, I would have almost got enough to recover the price of a pro pass! This in just one battle!!

 

So what are you lot whining about?

 

 

 

[Gabe2607 499]

Oh you do love to make things up dont you, but if you actually knew that Cedric has asked for any proof of staff abusing there powers you would then know why it was done  <_<

I am sure Cedric is not sleeping at night to help you out LOL

 

Ask yourself:

 

1) Why did that guy start to offend you? The first part is missing. Why do you piss off so many people?

2) How comes you and your friends are always ready to tape? Knowing that insults will follow your actions?

 

And please: keep reminding me of your age so that I do not get that angry with you :D

 

It's up to you, supplies haterz, to organise yourselves and convince other supplies haterz to buy a PRO pass. This way you'll play between supplies haterz and won't be annoyed by boob druggerz.

Drugs (as designed now) haters... Supplies are dropped, in case it is not clear yet...

 

Mafioso, who today called the category Druggers too (LOL), has been already passing on the proper suggestion to Devs: PRO battles to become the standard and all Druggers to get a Pass. Till then, you keep buying everything there is available (the 100 kit?Send me a Dislike card!) and we keep being PROS :D

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

1) Why did that guy start to offend you?

Watch the video.

You'll see people come and go and he insults those too.

What do you have to say about that?

 

Hmm? Lost for words are you?

Can't wait for your next invention!

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

You'll see people come and go and he insults those too.

 

Human Nature to flare up at those interfering in an argument.

[Gabe2607 499]

There are plenty of battles where you don't have to expend supplies.

 

Below is a video of one battle today where supplies were not allowed. I know I had premium and I know it was double funds but even without these things, I would have almost got enough to recover the price of a pro pass! This in just one battle!!

 

So what are you lot whining about?

 

So cute to see Druggers without their beloved expensive super powers... winning with 0.60/0.65 K/D against non druggers got to be such an achievement for you guys...  :lol:  Keep playing there for a month, then 6 months with no kits against druggers and you will be PRO !

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So cute to see Druggers without their beloved expensive super powers... winning with 0.60/0.65 K/D against non druggers got to be such an achievement for you guys...  :lol:  Keep playing there for a month, then 6 months with no kits against druggers and you will be PRO !

I could have camped and achieved a much higher K/D but this was a CTF battle, not TDM. Attackers on red tend to suffer the most losses. You're response here speaks volumes about your mentality. I have demonstrated that you can get yourself a propass with a little bit of effort and you're worried about K/D ratios.

 

Anyone can camp but winning the lion's share of the battlefund requires effort and sacrifice, something you know nothing about.

Edited November 19, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Who cares about a K/D, The point of the game is to win the battle, Maybe this is where you are going wrong on both counts  :wacko:

Yep, so when you prove that non-supplies can yield great rewards, criticising our k/d ratios is the only recourse.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Human Nature to flare up at those interfering in an argument.

Some were just chatting amongst themselves and he insulted them without cause or provocation. 

[Gabe2607 499]

Well its quite simple....

 

 

 

They hate to lose :D

 

 

As for the recording, Its quite simple again.....

 

 

 

you just press f9 and BINGO i have a new video for my YT Channel :D

 

So the guy was losing... the chat? That clears it...

 

Watch the video.

You'll see people come and go and he insults those too.

What do you have to say about that?

 

Hmm? Lost for words are you?

Can't wait for your next invention!

You ask the question and see I have no words... are you using a videocamera here too?

 

Who cares about a K/D, The point of the game is to win the battle, Maybe this is where you are going wrong on both counts  :wacko:

Winning with a higher K/D is surely wrong... Hey, press your magic 9 and show us a battle of you playing PRO against Druggers. Just curious if K/D can get negative  :P 

[Gabe2607 499]

I could have camped and achieved a much higher K/D but this was a CTF battle, not TDM. Attackers on red tend to suffer the most losses. You're response here speaks volumes about your mentality. I have demonstrated that you can get yourself a propass with a little bit of effort and you're worried about K/D ratios.

 

Anyone can camp but winning the lion's share of the battlefund requires effort and sacrifice, something you know nothing about.

"Requires effort and sacrifice"... I played 1000+ hrs with no drugs against your drugging kin. In your best scenario you played few hours in PRO battles. Think before to write...

 

Of course it's hard to convince someone and even more to convince many but you have to provide efforts at some point to get what you want. And expecting thousands of noob druggers to go PRO battles by yelling at them is completely illusory. Only fools believe it might succeed someday.

 

I just don't understand why so many people moan loudly like that, especially when they're given something for free and they don't consider spending money in it. When I dislike something I find a solution, I don't expect others to give in to my desires. I was sick to watch the same crap mainstream movies so that's why I decided to join a production company where other weary people wanted to produce different movies. I didn't go to Hollywood and yelled at everyone.

 

PS: I'm also sick to reply to assumptions so I'll comment your last part only if you quote a post where I claimed this precisely.

For the nth time, the biggest 200 websites (not checking after) are free of charge and open to criticism...

 

Yep, so when you prove that non-supplies can yield great rewards, criticising our k/d ratios is the only recourse.

I do not think I never entered into the concept of PRO pass not carrying rewards, especially because I never tried it. I generally spoke about drug kits, their return, buyers, etc. I do not like the idea of "using" 5000 crystals to do what should be a basic battle. But frankly, the thought to find you guys there without drugs and seeing some videos of tanks not having a clue of how to play (in this case I speak about the defense where you stole the flag) is really tempting... B)

 

PS.: your smart answer should have been "a good PRO isida will have a low K/D", while a Freeze does not have justifications :D

Edited November 19, 2016 by Gabe2607

[Benefactor 6,888]

Just curious if K/D can get negative  :P

It won't go negative. I tried on another account.

[Gabe2607 499]

It won't go negative. I tried on another account.

I really hope it was a very good joke :D

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

But the real question becomes:

 

Why do you drug at all against non-druggers?  Does it give you satisfaction to frustrate other players? Do you "feel good" when you know everyone else is having a worse time because of you?

[Gabe2607 499]

Don't be so harsh, he's recently learnt the obvious principle of CP battles. Give him some rest before he learns anything else obvious :lol:

An experienced player would understand that at least 133 points were done capturing points, while there is a reason others are called noobs :D

 

By the way, that was D/L 1.24 against druggers (and as any respected player without using any) LOL

[Gabe2607 499]

 

But the real question becomes:

 

Why do you drug at all against non-druggers? Does it give you satisfaction to frustrate other players? Do you "feel good" when you know everyone else is having a worse time because of you?

Most of battles are boring. The only way to wake up players is to take over a winning team so that campers leave their hideaway and feel compelled to face you in order to defend their flag. Otherwise, a whole team runs as soon as they lose two flags in a row... There's no balanced battle in Tanki: either you end up with total bots who sleep behind walls or you get raided by a clan of UFOs (do you still follow?)

 

With no intent to make polemic, I do not agree at all. Plenty of battles in balance, plenty of episodes when drugs are totally wasted.

 

But in my opinion there is a main reason: once a player learned the use of 12345, he/she simply cannot stay away. It would make sense that it becomes instinct, which is faster than reason. That is why every time I convinced a drugger to not drug for a minute, he/she simply cannot and agrees. Fingers just go there automatically induced by adrenaline. That is why when I see these PRO videos, I am imaging a bunch of players in abstinence, pushing numbers for no reason and suffering tremendously LOL

[wolverine848 13,097]

PS: I noticed you ignored my last embarrassing reply where I'm suggesting to provide efforts.

PS: you did not answer the question.

 

What you provided is not answer to that question. Because you are bored? You drug against non-druggers because you are bored???

[wolverine848 13,097]

I have a really simple solution for you if its such a "nightmare"

 

 

 

dont play supply enabled battles ;)

 

So... your previous screen-shot(s) of Pro-Battles. EN1? EN2? EN3?  or maybe... what... RU?

 

And you still didn't answer my question. Would you support reversing situation and all those who want to enable supply use do with a Pro Pass?

[Benefactor 6,888]

I really hope it was a very good joke :D

Meh. It's a "when-I-don't-care" account.  :)

Just trying to see if I can rank up by just capturing flags in a full battle without firing a shot or killing anyone.