Let's Discuss Supplies!

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

1. Have you ever, ever thought of creating a map for other purposes than finishing a mission with your 2 friends? Such as just to play? :lol: I guess not. 

 

2. :lol: And you wonder why  a lot of people don't take you seriously :lol:

I agree, if I would  be "severely" name calling you for nothing and would be loosing the argument otherwise (not being able to provide facts to support my statements and just being a kid overall), in that case, yes, I would of lost the argument. But that's not the case here. You're saying me "name-calling" you is my last hope, but I'm starting to think it's yours actually. You have nothing else to say than that I called you childish & stubborn which would make me the "loosing" one. 

1. Creating a mission for my two friends? What?  I'm talking about only two random gamers showing up after 5-10 minutes of waiting.

 

2. Who is a lot?  You and Tomato and MC and Absolute.  Opposite is true - your rants and complaints get ignored by many because you and your group complain here more than anyone else.

 

for MC memes count as words/support arguments ... until they are used against him. Then all of a sudden they don't exist. He defelcts and circles around with no answers.

 

And as for Pro-battle matches with supplies disabled... maybe there are lots when you play. Not for me and not for other gamers.

 

[Lankero 595]

1. Creating a mission for my two friends? What?  I'm talking about only two random gamers showing up after 5-10 minutes of waiting.

 

2. Who is a lot?  You and Tomato and MC and Absolute.  Opposite is true - your rants and complaints get ignored by many because you and your group complain here more than anyone else.

 

for MC memes count as words/support arguments ... until they are used against him. Then all of a sudden they don't exist. He defelcts and circles around with no answers.

 

And as for Pro-battle matches with supplies disabled... maybe there are lots when you play. Not for me and not for other gamers.

 

1. I understood your message in another way ;) My bad. 

 

2. I am sure our "group" aren't the only ones with the same opinions/ideas as us ;) Yes the others of this so called group does spend a lot of time here, trying to convince people, but as far as I can see it hasn't worked. But I don't spend too much time here, surely a lot less than MANY who actively post here. 

 

This is quite dissappointing, seeing people not understanding 2000mc's simple words. You're saying he doesn't have any answers or such, but reading a few pages back it seems neither do you, really. ;) 

 

Then they play at wrong time :) lol 

[wolverine848 13,097]

Well they still refuse to handle the truth after we provided dozens of facts, tips and clearly argued posts so we thought that pictorial content might help comprehension :$

Find that gif yet?

[wolverine848 13,097]

1. I understood your message in another way ;) My bad. 

 

2. I am sure our "group" aren't the only ones with the same opinions/ideas as us ;) Yes the others of this so called group does spend a lot of time here, trying to convince people, but as far as I can see it hasn't worked. But I don't spend too much time here, surely a lot less than MANY who actively post here. 

 

This is quite dissappointing, seeing people not understanding 2000mc's simple words. You're saying he doesn't have any answers or such, but reading a few pages back it seems neither do you, really. ;)

 

Then they play at wrong time :) lol 

1. It happens - so water under the bridge.

 

2. We have different opinions on things and may never agree - won't be the end of the world.

 

I would love to be able to play regularly when there's 30k+ tankers online. Unfortunately that is not possible. So we have different expereinces.

 

Just to clarify - I don't believe supplies should or will be removed from the game. I just feel the advantage they offer is disproportionate. I would like to see their effect reduced so they are not such a game-changer. But likely won't happen in near-term, if at all.

 

Additionally I have used supplies in battles, and have admitted as such before. I just don't have unlimited supply, and I also find non-supply battles more fun and rewarding. 

 

I also hate cheats and mults and speak out against them. I guess we have that in common at least.

[DESTRUKCO 51]

No supply dms are common, but no supply team battles are very uncommon.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I'm not your lapdog. If you want to show me the gif you're referring to, quote it. I'm not gonna search for you. However, I advise you to move on as you might embarrass yourself if you ever quote this "gif"

Can't be bothered to defend himself from my statements ( http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=339347&p=5956358 ) so turns to spiteful laziness. Pure and simple.  

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

This is quite dissappointing, seeing people not understanding 2000mc's simple words. You're saying he doesn't have any answers or such, but reading a few pages back it seems neither do you, really. ;)

 

Then they play at wrong time :) lol 

Again, the goal isn't to force all non-druggers to play PRO battles with supplies-off. What would happen is that druggers would lose their advantage in standard battles and it would kill "Tanki's profit" that you all seem to care about. In addition, most druggers simply like the feeling of being completely OP so it doesn't align with their motives. The only real reason they keep flogging this statement is because they simply want to silence non-druggers as they're sick and tired of actual solutions and common sense and want to squirm out of the way in the laziest way possible.  

The goal is to make MORE play standard battles; and make them play harmoniously. Druggers AND non-druggers AND Tanki all profit. In addition, it breeds less bad-feeling between the community.

 

Play at the "wrong time"? What country and time-zone do you live in? Could you please respect that some people want to relax in the night after a long day at work and that there isn't anything wrong with that? Thanks. :)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

2. We have different opinions on things and may never agree - won't be the end of the world.  Someday this account with be Legend. It will have M4s and tons, tons of supplies. Will that change my mind? No. Not in the least.

 

I would love to be able to play regularly when there's 30k+ tankers online. Unfortunately that is not possible. So we have different expereinces. It would help Tanki broaden it's reach to players of our time-zone if some good solutions to common problems were programmed. This game has so much potential as a relaxing, unique game. It shouldn't be ruined over supplies. Sometimes I think they need an American mind in the crew. :ph34r: 

 

Just to clarify - I don't believe supplies should or will be removed from the game. I just feel the advantage they offer is disproportionate. I would like to see their effect reduced so they are not such a game-changer. But likely won't happen in near-term, if at all.

Same view here. ;) In all games buyers get some powerful and OP equipment. But something like supplies is pretty much like hacks. Just legal hacks available to all, mind you. If you're forced to use them to compete, okay...doesn't make you a hypocrite when you advocate changing of the system. :)

 

Additionally I have used supplies in battles, and have admitted as such before. I just don't have unlimited supply, and I also find non-supply battles more fun and rewarding.  Of course. I've used supplies in battle and the vast majority of players have used a lot.  Does that mean it is kind? Does that mean it enhances gameplay? Does that mean it doesn't breed dissension and bad feeling? Does that mean it helps Tanki survive/grow as a company better than other proposed methods? The answer is No.

 

I also hate cheats and mults and speak out against them. I guess we have that in common at least.  Yes of course most do but 2000mc particularly likes twisting my words and proclaiming that I support mults.... :rolleyes: 

PS: I bought two supplies kits today

And guess who cares? (No offense intended.)

 

for MC memes count as words/support arguments ... until they are used against him. Then all of a sudden they don't exist. He defelcts and circles around with no answers.

If I were you I'd stop with that as he is just going to get angrier and angrier. People don't like it when you point out when they're wrong especially when they know your words are true. Just human nature and I'm prone to it too. :)

 

Move on and consider it another failed attempt by 2000mc. Or I'll wait until AbsoluteZero shows up with intelligent posts. I truly admire and respect his words. :)

[Lankero 595]

Again, the goal isn't to force all non-druggers to play PRO battles with supplies-off. What would happen is that druggers would lose their advantage in standard battles and it would kill "Tanki's profit" that you all seem to care about. In addition, most druggers simply like the feeling of being completely OP so it doesn't align with their motives. The only real reason they keep flogging this statement is because they simply want to silence non-druggers as they're sick and tired of actual solutions and common sense and want to squirm out of the way in the laziest way possible.  

The goal is to make MORE play standard battles; and make them play harmoniously. Druggers AND non-druggers AND Tanki all profit. In addition, it breeds less bad-feeling between the community.

 

Play at the "wrong time"? What country and time-zone do you live in? Could you please respect that some people want to relax in the night after a long day at work and that there isn't anything wrong with that? Thanks. :)

I see your point and somewhat agree with it. But what druggers are tired of is the complaining that we get to hear all the time. Druggers aren't "too lazy" to find a solution or whatever, they're tired of being abused for using a legal in-game mechanic. But I don't get your point when you're trying to paint all druggers as soul-less monsters who only drug for the sake of feeling OP and destroying noobs. Druggers drug for their team too, but you make pressing a couple of numbers sound so terrible and sinful lol: Yes, more standard battles would be nice, but those are what creates the most bad-feeling in the community because non-druggers are most of the time unable to drug for a reason or another (not managing their  money well enough), but I must admit the Tanki economy could be better and might be the main reason for druggers dominating the battlefield so easily. But its meant to be that way, so the people who work hard to get those crystals can benefit from them, and ofcourse Tanki makes income along the way. 

 

And if you didn't understand, the last part was a joke :) Might of not been a good one, but eh, whatever. :lol: 

[Lankero 595]

Just to clarify - I don't believe supplies should or will be removed from the game. I just feel the advantage they offer is disproportionate. I would like to see their effect reduced so they are not such a game-changer. But likely won't happen in near-term, if at all.

Like I stated above, In my opinion the economy should be changed instead of the drugs, if people would make just a bit more crystals, they could afford drugs a lot more easily, which would result in more intense battles since everyone is able to drug, but like you said: But likely it won't happen in near-term, if at all. 

[Lankero 595]

...so they wouldn't see the point of paying since they'd afford both equipments and supplies. Here we go again.

Yeah. It's a never ending cycle :lol: This is how F2P games work. 

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Find that gif yet?

 

 

I'm not your lapdog. If you want to show me the gif you're referring to, quote it. I'm not gonna search for you. However, I advise you to move on as you might embarrass yourself if you ever quote this "gif"

 

PS: I bought two supplies kits today

 

You know what he meant 2000mc. Why dont you try to have a normal discussion. Were not here to cross examine people.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

...so they wouldn't see the point of paying since they'd afford both equipments and supplies. Here we go again.

So any change in the economy, no matter how small, ruins the balance and makes Tanki bankrupt? :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  .

 

I feel that you are being overdramatic. 

 

I feel that maybe it would be nice if only buyers and veterans could be able to get supplies.  However the effect of supplies would have to be nerfed.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

This matter has already been answered

 

Please stop spamming and get back to the topic

So 2000mc, why dont you explain this spammy post.

 

I'm not your lapdog. If you want to show me the gif you're referring to, quote it. I'm not gonna search for you. However, I advise you to move on as you might embarrass yourself if you ever quote this "gif"

 

PS: I bought two supplies kits today

The matter was already answered, please get back to topic 2000mc.  :)

[wolverine848 13,097]

Like I stated above, In my opinion the economy should be changed instead of the drugs, if people would make just a bit more crystals, they could afford drugs a lot more easily, which would result in more intense battles since everyone is able to drug, but like you said: But likely it won't happen in near-term, if at all. 

The gap in our ranks at the moment is actually an important one. I'm still saving for equipment and have no real funds for supply kits. And (I'm guessing) you have the ability to buy supplies while also improving your garage.

 

So it might help me if you could give me your perspective on heavy supply-battles.

What is the attraction?

You double your power with a DD to try and kill more quickly. But the opponenet counters with a DA. And vice-versa. Is that not a zero-sum game for the most part?

I would think the battle fund would be lower overall because repair kits delay you from dying. Not so with supplies-disabled.

The wild-card then is speed-boost. No counter to that. So tanks in the battle move faster.

Oh - and mines for defense I guess. In some maps they certainly speed up destruction.

 

The above is a serious query and your point-of-view on this would be greatly appreciated.

[Lankero 595]

The gap in our ranks at the moment is actually an important one. I'm still saving for equipment and have no real funds for supply kits. And (I'm guessing) you have the ability to buy supplies while also improving your garage.

 

So it might help me if you could give me your perspective on heavy supply-battles.

What is the attraction?

You double your power with a DD to try and kill more quickly. But the opponenet counters with a DA. And vice-versa. Is that not a zero-sum game for the most part?

I would think the battle fund would be lower overall because repair kits delay you from dying. Not so with supplies-disabled.

The wild-card then is speed-boost. No counter to that. So tanks in the battle move faster.

Oh - and mines for defense I guess. In some maps they certainly speed up destruction.

 

The above is a serious query and your point-of-view on this would be greatly appreciated.

Are talking about drug wars (arab style) or just public battles where there is a couple of druggers? I'll answer then. 

But personally I enjoy drugging because it gives me somewhat an advantage if there isn't too many druggers in the enemy team. And  yeah, it makes me feel somewhat OP, and please don't try to make that seem like a bad thing :lol: I enjoy drug battles because it adds another element to the game and a lot of pace. And by another element I mean that you need to think what supply will do you best at that moment and you need to predict and know what supplies your enemy has/will use. 

And I don't think that the repair kits actually decrease the amount of the battle fund, I haven't counted atleast or anything. But when using the repair kit you're gonna die anyway, and the sooner you use it after you've spawned the sooner you'll get killed. 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

^

You missed the point completely. Well done. :lol:

[dan146_tanker 770]

Are talking about drug wars (arab style) or just public battles where there is a couple of druggers? I'll answer then. 

But personally I enjoy drugging because it gives me somewhat an advantage if there isn't too many druggers in the enemy team. And  yeah, it makes me feel somewhat OP, and please don't try to make that seem like a bad thing :lol: I enjoy drug battles because it adds another element to the game and a lot of pace. And by another element I mean that you need to think what supply will do you best at that moment and you need to predict and know what supplies your enemy has/will use. 

And I don't think that the repair kits actually decrease the amount of the battle fund, I haven't counted atleast or anything. But when using the repair kit you're gonna die anyway, and the sooner you use it after you've spawned the sooner you'll get killed. 

We are here to talk about drug wars. Because there are no ''couple of drug'' battles. You.. You are here because... you are a troller..? You come into a topic annoying people...? If you like supplies fine. But we don't like supplies, and I hate druggers. So lets get one thing straight. You right now are implying that you have no skill. (I'll highlight what you say so you understand better, k?)

​So you enjoy drugging because you have enough ''skill'' that you need an advantage to win? And you wonder why people say druggers have no skill. Before you say I'm wrong answer this: Is it Pro to get 100 kills using M4 while fighting M0s? And don't say the M0s are mults because they are recruit level, understand?

 

​​​Ahh... So you like to feel ''OP''. You drug because it makes you feel special. Isn't that sweet. So you need to feel OP and have an advantage to be able to play normal battles? So by making your Tank stronger when nobody else in the enemy team can, is that fair? Is that what a noob or a Pro would do? Are you a noob or Pro?

 

​No you're right by people constantly healing and avoiding death the battle fund is more likely to grow. You know, you're super smart. (sarcastic voice) If people use repair kit it won't make the battle fund bigger. People avoid dying less fund more rage quitters.

Repair kit is one of the most annoying drugs. By using it you suggest that you are not a fair player. You also imply that you don't take no for an answer and must always win (that's what a sore loser is:))

 

​Then why drug genius? -_- 

[wolverine848 13,097]

Are talking about drug wars (arab style) or just public battles where there is a couple of druggers? I'll answer then. 

But personally I enjoy drugging because it gives me somewhat an advantage if there isn't too many druggers in the enemy team. And  yeah, it makes me feel somewhat OP, and please don't try to make that seem like a bad thing :lol: I enjoy drug battles because it adds another element to the game and a lot of pace. And by another element I mean that you need to think what supply will do you best at that moment and you need to predict and know what supplies your enemy has/will use. 

And I don't think that the repair kits actually decrease the amount of the battle fund, I haven't counted atleast or anything. But when using the repair kit you're gonna die anyway, and the sooner you use it after you've spawned the sooner you'll get killed. 

I was originally talking "drug-wars" where both sides basically have unlimited supplies. I don't get the appeal, but at least theoretically it's an even match.

 

So the second variation which you alude to in your reply has a few tankers with more supplies than the others. Gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on if it is "good" or "bad". As the supplies are now, IMO they give too much advantage to the tankers with way more in garage. Anyone getting wrecked by those heavy supply users of course will feel frustrated. Some quit the battle, and some rage at the users and eventualy leave. Either way these tend to be battles that are not close. As the battle continues and more tankers leave it becomes a rout. I'm not a fan of those at all.

 

Just like a sporting event... sure you want your team to win. But if the game is a masscre it just becomes boring.

[Lankero 595]

Are talking about drug wars (arab style) or just public battles where there is a couple of druggers? I'll answer then. 

 

You missed the point completely. Well done. :lol:

:rolleyes:

[Lankero 595]

We are here to talk about drug wars. Because there are no ''couple of drug'' battles. You.. You are here because... you are a troller..? You come into a topic annoying people...? If you like supplies fine. But we don't like supplies, and I hate druggers. So lets get one thing straight. You right now are implying that you have no skill. (I'll highlight what you say so you understand better, k?)

​So you enjoy drugging because you have enough ''skill'' that you need an advantage to win? And you wonder why people say druggers have no skill. Before you say I'm wrong answer this: Is it Pro to get 100 kills using M4 while fighting M0s? And don't say the M0s are mults because they are recruit level, understand?

 

​​​Ahh... So you like to feel ''OP''. You drug because it makes you feel special. Isn't that sweet. So you need to feel OP and have an advantage to be able to play normal battles? So by making your Tank stronger when nobody else in the enemy team can, is that fair? Is that what a noob or a Pro would do? Are you a noob or Pro?

 

​No you're right by people constantly healing and avoiding death the battle fund is more likely to grow. You know, you're super smart. (sarcastic voice) If people use repair kit it won't make the battle fund bigger. People avoid dying less fund more rage quitters.

Repair kit is one of the most annoying drugs. By using it you suggest that you are not a fair player. You also imply that you don't take no for an answer and must always win (that's what a sore loser is:))

 

​Then why drug genius? -_- 

 1st of all, please, your examples are quite a bit  exaggerated, so let's bring it down a notch :) M4 vs M0, you ok bro? Yes, drugs give you an advantage = people buy them = Tanki makes $$$. Is it really that hard to understand? And by "not too many druggers in the enemy team" I meant that I'm not the only drugger in my team vs 10 other druggers.  :rolleyes: 

 

There is pretty much always 1-2 druggers in both teams in a battle, so it's quite balanced. Me having skills has no connection whatsoever in me enjoying advantages, that I've spent crystals on to achieve. 

 

TURN DOWN THE HATE BY A NOTCH WILL YOU M8? And please stop acting immature, because you sure aren't acting like that right now. <-- Directed to many people on this topic. 

 

Do you actually think I would be that dumb? I meant that I don't think that the battle fund wouldn't be affected to a great extent. Yeah, I'll type my thought s bit better next time since you take everything so literally. 

 

Because all druggers are skill-less noob mults who use drugs to win all battles and steal everyone's fun & crystals :) (SARCASTIC VOICE) 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Lankero

[Lankero 595]

I was originally talking "drug-wars" where both sides basically have unlimited supplies. I don't get the appeal, but at least theoretically it's an even match.

 

So the second variation which you alude to in your reply has a few tankers with more supplies than the others. Gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on if it is "good" or "bad". As the supplies are now, IMO they give too much advantage to the tankers with way more in garage. Anyone getting wrecked by those heavy supply users of course will feel frustrated. Some quit the battle, and some rage at the users and eventualy leave. Either way these tend to be battles that are not close. As the battle continues and more tankers leave it becomes a rout. I'm not a fan of those at all.

 

Just like a sporting event... sure you want your team to win. But if the game is a masscre it just becomes boring.

Well, I'm not an arab drugger who's a part of a drug clan, so I think you're asking this from the wrong person. I don't play full drug battles (except rarely for trolls with friends), and I guess some people just enjoy it.

 

Yeah, supply and the economy of the game are bad and could be worked on. But you mentioned "frustration". That's what F2P games are designed to do. I think you can find 2000mc's message explaining this, but basically it works like this: The non-drugger feels frustrated because he keeps getting rekt in battles by druggers. Then he buys drugs to be able to cope with the other players to be able to keep playing the game, and this keeps going on again and again. Or, if he doesn't want to buy. then he'll guit. Either way, I agree drugs maybe should be changed for everyone to be able to play fairly, but that's just not possible if you want Tanki to stay alive. 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 1st of all, please, your examples are quite a bit  exaggerated, so let's bring it down a notch :) M4 vs M0, you ok bro? Yes, drugs give you an advantage = people buy them = Tanki makes $$$. Is it really that hard to understand? And by "not too many druggers in the enemy team" I meant that I'm not the only drugger in my team vs 10 other druggers.  :rolleyes:

An undrugged M3 vs a full-drugged M4 with RK can feel like M4 vs M0. 

 

There is pretty much always 1-2 druggers in both teams in a battle, so it's quite balanced. Me having skills has no connection whatsoever in me enjoying advantages, that I've spent crystals on to achieve. 

 

TURN DOWN THE HATE BY A NOTCH WILL YOU M8? And please stop acting mature, because you sure aren't acting like that right now. <-- Directed to many people on this topic. 

First off, don't type in caps. I know English isn't your first language but it's considered shouting and calling people "mate" and "bro" sarcastically is quite pathetic. 

As for the please stop acting mature, you should word it a bit differently. Perhaps you mean please stop pretending to be more mature than you are?

Of course it's perfectly immature to want a fair and enjoyable game when buyers and non-buyers admire and respect each other. I figured. :rolleyes: 

 

Do you actually think I would be that dumb? I meant that I don't think that the battle fund wouldn't be affected to a great extent. Yeah, I'll type my thought s bit better next time since you take everything so literally. 

Well, just a general tip (not specific to this topic or even TO): Make sure you type what you mean. Unless you're using a well-known phrase or such...

 

Because all druggers are skill-less noob mults who use drugs to win all battles and steal everyone's fun & crystals :) (SARCASTIC VOICE) 

Mults? No.

Skill-less? Not necessarily.

The rest, yes. :) Spot on.

 

 

Well, I'm not an arab drugger who's a part of a drug clan, so I think you're asking this from the wrong person. I don't play full drug battles (except rarely for trolls with friends), and I guess some people just enjoy it.

 

Yeah, supply and the economy of the game are bad and could be worked on. But you mentioned "frustration". That's what F2P games are designed to do. I think you can find 2000mc's message explaining this, but basically it works like this: The non-drugger feels frustrated because he keeps getting rekt in battles by druggers. Then he buys drugs to be able to cope with the other players to be able to keep playing the game, and this keeps going on again and again. Or, if he doesn't want to buy. then he'll guit. Either way, I agree drugs maybe should be changed for everyone to be able to play fairly, but that's just not possible if you want Tanki to stay alive. 

So it's not possible for Tanki to stay alive if they make any small change to their economy? Have you had any experience with business and/or specifically the gaming industry? In fact the proposals I put forward would actually help Tanki attract and retain more players.  It is more than possible, it is preferable. ;)

[wolverine848 13,097]

He won't bother looking for it and anyway, whatever I said it must be false. Ya know... :rolleyes:

False.

I know exactly what you are talking about. I just don't agree with everything you point out. I haven't spent a penny (like you) and have done ok so far. My wishing tanki economy gets tweaked costs you absolutely nothing.

 

As for looking things up... LOL

 

me - "Ok - this is true so I'll give you that.  Page 58 this thread - the one with lots of Blue..."

 

You - no response

 

Me - "Find that gif yet?"

 

You - "I'm not your lapdog. If you want to show me the gif you're referring to, quote it. I'm not gonna search for you."

 

You couldn't be bothered to "look for" your own gif even though I pointed out exactly where you posted it.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Well, I'm not an arab drugger who's a part of a drug clan, so I think you're asking this from the wrong person. I don't play full drug battles (except rarely for trolls with friends), and I guess some people just enjoy it.

 

Yeah, supply and the economy of the game are bad and could be worked on. But you mentioned "frustration". That's what F2P games are designed to do. I think you can find 2000mc's message explaining this, but basically it works like this: The non-drugger feels frustrated because he keeps getting rekt in battles by druggers. Then he buys drugs to be able to cope with the other players to be able to keep playing the game, and this keeps going on again and again. Or, if he doesn't want to buy. then he'll guit. Either way, I agree drugs maybe should be changed for everyone to be able to play fairly, but that's just not possible if you want Tanki to stay alive. 

Fair response.  We don't agree on everything but I don't think we are worlds aprt either.

 

I think Tanki would still survive if they made reasonable tweaks to economy. But again that's just my opinion.