IIT: Why there shouldn't be a refund.

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

All right, so we all know the reason people ask for refunds is because they think they're not getting what they want. So instead of jumping on the refund bandwagon; I'll be true to my name here.

 

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We all know Tanki is a game, weapons need to be balanced, changed and everything. You shouldn't get a refund if you "balance" an over powered weapon and nor should you get a refund if you balance an under powered weapon.

 

• Twins isn't nerfed because then people will ask for refund.
• Ricochet isn't buffed because then people will ask for refund.
• Smoky isn't nerfed because then people will ask for refund.
• Basically speaking, no stats are changed because Tanki cares too much about its userbase.

• People are asking for a refund because of a "Physics" update and speed changes on Tanks!

Tanki is being too "nice" with the community on this refund business. There are games like World of Tanks and League of Legends which have updates every couple of weeks, they never have refunds.

 

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So instead of just crying for a refund, can you tell me why you think Tanki is obliged to give you people a refund? What have you done to deserve it? Bought crystals? Big deal; you bought crystals in a free to play game and no one asked you to; you basically "donated" money to the developers and got a "compensation" in return, you didn't "buy" anything.

 

P.S. Downvote me without an argument; I dare you.

Edited September 18, 2013 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[FederalBureauFBI 2,881]

Opened again kool, let's see if it'll turn into the same discussion, or not.

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Opened again kool, let's see if it'll turn into the same discussion, or not.

Thanks, Yes I am an ex-mod; No these two threads do not have the same topic because I'm not responsible for what people turn these discussions into. I'm arguing that there shouldn't be any refunds at all.

[Ilia.ArchangeI 6,785]

I don't think Tanki is obliged to pay me any crystals. We were refunded for the major changes - this is just equalizing what was unbalanced before, it's no big deal for me either way.

 

However, I do understand the reasoning behind some people who complain. Example: maybe I chose wasp for its easy handling/great speed and wasted a lot of crystals to get an M2 mod. Now with the new physics its handling is much different and I don't like it anymore. If I had known back then, I wouldn't have bought it, and gone for Hornet in stead. So now I am left with a hull I wont use, and 200k wasted crystals.

 

Since I still like both Hornet and Dictator the way they are with the new physics, I have nothing to complain about. I totally embrace the changes.

[D7D7 28]

I do not dig the new physics but there should not be any kind of refunds 

[X-x-A-x-X 144]

Finally some logic.

Edited September 18, 2013 by X-x-A-x-X

[65740192 27]

The new physics has reduced Hornet M3 grads/sec from 153 to 93.7 - a 163% change.

 

So I should get 63% of my crystals back because the Hornet has been merfed. (nerfed maneuverability) 

[ExtremeKiller26 443]

The new physics has reduced Hornet M3 grads/sec from 153 to 93.7 - a 163% change.

 

So I should get 63% of my crystals back because the Hornet has been merfed. (nerfed maneuverability) 

No, current highest speed is like 10.0. The LAST one is not speed, it's the middle one. The last is how much degree you can rotate using that hull.

Now, hornet M3 speed would be... like 9.00 or something like that, it suddenly jumped upto 93.7. And they say it ins't a small change. The speed increases by 10%, not a small change, sure...

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

The new physics has reduced Hornet M3 grads/sec from 153 to 93.7 - a 163% change.

 

So I should get 63% of my crystals back because the Hornet has been merfed. (nerfed maneuverability) 

Sure, you would get your refund if they changed only hornet. But they changed everything in such a way that when taken in perspective; Nothing has changed.

 

Wasp is still the fastest, mammoth is still the slowest.

 

P.S, You are bad at math.

Edited September 18, 2013 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[Runescapeacco 5]

What are you trying to prove here? Tanki is filled with immature little kids who don't understand anything about anything. Personally I don't care if there is refund or not (I don't play Tanki, and if I do, it's probably because I have nothing else to do -_-). But I bet 90% of the people asking for refunds are asking because someone said "Hey, there's an physics update, refund?". Not because they necessarily believe a refund is required, but because they agree with an idea that is circling around.

When I see Tanki, I see a sad excuse for a multiplayer game. In my experience a multiplayer game is only fun if the community is good. Take Minecraft for example, I probably have more hours in Minecraft than at school. I enjoyed it so much because the community was mostly made up of friends which I had a lot of fun with. And if I joined a public server most of the people I found were genuinely fun to play with. I don't remember the last time I played in a Single player Minecraft world, because for me, Minecraft is fun because of it's multiplayer. Another example is Dota 2, a completely different style game from Tanki and Minecraft. I've been enjoying Dota a lot. Every game I join I'll find passionate players who are willing to work together with me to win that game. I love being support in Dota because the support is the most valuable player, everyone counts on the support to play correctly. And when I play correctly I get congratulated and we win the game.

I can't find anything in Tanki that unites players. It's just like a crappy Tank version of CoD. But CoD is a much larger game with much more to experiences with other players.

Of course I can't say too much about Tanki because I haven't participated in any Clans or Teams. If that changes the feel of the game then that's great, but I haven't experienced that yet (and probably never will).

I kind off went off topic with the subject at hand. But back to topic, the players want a refund because they are bored and want new things. A refund sounds like something everyone will enjoy, maybe it's not such a bad thing. But don't make it something people vote on, remember it's not you that's developing the game. Final decisions should always be done by the developers, but that doesn't mean it can't be influenced by players.  

Edited September 18, 2013 by Runescapeacco

[65740192 27]

No, current highest speed is like 10.0. The LAST one is not speed, it's the middle one. The last is how much degree you can rotate using that hull.

Now, hornet M3 speed would be... like 9.00 or something like that, it suddenly jumped upto 93.7. And they say it ins't a small change. The speed increases by 10%, not a small change, sure...

 

 

The last, how much degree you can rotate using that hull, the grads/sec - is that the maneuverability that has been merfed 163%?

 

 

AdvocatusDiaboli

Posted 18 Sep 2013 - 16:42  

P.S, You are bad at math.

 

I'm good at Tanki with my M3 Hornet - soon to be merfed 163%.

Edited September 18, 2013 by 65740192

[already.dead 360]

actually, when some hulls get increased speed and others dont, and  the whole gameplay will be changed aswell

[GoldRock 6,165]

Well, technically, we'd no longer have the same item that we originally decided to buy in the first place... Though I see your point, too - it's only a physics change. I'll sort of stay on the fence for this one. 

 

However, I heard something about Twins having a third of the shooting speed and Rico shooting loads faster being introduced... In that case, I think a refund would be deserved. Even though that's just sorting out the balance of weapons, many players only bought Twins because it's OP, and so they would lose out without a refund.

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Twins because it's OP

Then they knew that something being OP isn't going to remain OP in games.... Over Powered things are nerfed; Under Powered things are buffed; If they thought otherwise then they're dumb.

[ExtremeKiller26 443]

However, I heard something about Twins having a third of the shooting speed and Rico shooting loads faster being introduced... In that case, I think a refund would be deserved. Even though that's just sorting out the balance of weapons, many players only bought Twins because it's OP, and so they would lose out without a refund.

Like me, I was saving up for tundra, was missing like 550 or something, I bought twins on sale instead. Now what? I use wasp and see M2 rail, I realize my D/l won't go over 1 now.

[r_Zesx0 39]

I don't think Tanki is obliged to pay me any crystals. We were refunded for the major changes - this is just equalizing what was unbalanced before, it's no big deal for me either way.

 

However, I do understand the reasoning behind some people who complain. Example: maybe I chose wasp for its easy handling/great speed and wasted a lot of crystals to get an M2 mod. Now with the new physics its handling is much different and I don't like it anymore. If I had known back then, I wouldn't have bought it, and gone for Hornet in stead. So now I am left with a hull I wont use, and 200k wasted crystals.

 

Since I still like both Hornet and Dictator the way they are with the new physics, I have nothing to complain about. I totally embrace the changes.

U r just a traitor!

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

U r just a traitor!

Honestly, you and @65740192 haven't even spent half an hour playing this game; you have no right to talk about anything unless you use your main account. Assuming it's not baneed.

Edited September 18, 2013 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[ExtremeKiller26 443]

Honestly, you and @65740192 haven't even spent half an hour playing this game; you have no right to talk about anything unless you use your main account. Assuming it's not baneed.

And it's suprising that people having rank of sergeants want a refund, while their garage would be surely with Smoky hornet green only.

[skitee 555]

Tanki don't need to give people a refund. But they are changing the essence of the game. Do they need to refund everything? No. Should they...? That is the point which is up for debate. In my opinion, they would be stupid to, but they should have thought about it. Basically, it would have been a lot slicker if they had stuck to their 2.0 plan and changed everything at the same time with a refund. But they didn't, they've brought out each of their updates at the same time, which has its own positives but in actuality it's also dug them into a big hole which they have fallen into face-first. In my opinion, it's extremely unlikely that any refund will be forthcoming. However I'd like a formal statement from the administration explaining why not and some form of compensation - how about making the funds go up a bit quicker again? Or a permanent 5% drop in all prices?

[I.Devastation 2,053]

mm I agree kool, but my sis moved my mouse to click, -. So my minus is always a + :3

[GoldRock 6,165]

Then they knew that something being OP isn't going to remain OP in games.... Over Powered things are nerfed; Under Powered things are buffed; If they thought otherwise then they're dumb.

Still, players wouldn't have known for sure when or how the weapons would be nerfed/buffed, nor would they have known to what extent - the devs might as well have added the following to the Twins description just after the rebalance, following your logic:

 

"Oh but we're going to nerf this weapon eventually, so don't buy it depending on how good it is now."

 

Like me, I was saving up for tundra, was missing like 550 or something, I bought twins on sale instead. Now what? I use wasp and see M2 rail, I realize my D/l won't go over 1 now.

^Exactly.

[X-x-A-x-X 144]

Still, players wouldn't have known for sure when or how the weapons would be nerfed/buffed, nor would they have known to what extent - the devs might as well have added the following to the Twins description just after the rebalance, following your logic:

 

 

deal with it, refund ain't happening

[Mithrandir1 17]

Devil's Advocate, are you aware that the requests for refunds were truggered by the anouncement of a rebalance? Considering what happened after the last rebalance (for example twins is now OP and rico is useless), a refund would be a good way to keep people from being stuck with useless gear. (Just my opinion).

 

P.S. I think I know who you are.

[GoldRock 6,165]

deal with it, refund ain't happening

I know, and I don't really mind; I'm simply discussing the issue... In fact, I wasn't arguing for a refund for the physics changes, anyway, I was talking about a refund if weapons are changed :/

[CaptainMaxwell7 231]

Well, I don't care about the refund.

 

This is a so called "Update" so I understand it as: A new step to the future. So refund or not, still I am Okay with the so called "Update" because still it's a new step to the future.

 

But guess what.. People.. PEOPLE of Tanki Online mostly don't even agree with these updates, and take it like a war. If you don't like the update Okay don't like it, why making a war just because of a nice update??

 

Seriously every update I saw for Tanki I liked it. I didn't dislike any update yet. I was thinking that the friend list feature will allow people to add you as friend without a accept from you, which made me kinda don't want a friend list cuz then you will get stalked.. But good! You MUST accept! It's very good.. some games [Like Runescape] people can add you without you knowing it, but still you can look offline for them, and online for your friends. Another cool feature.

 

Anyways let's say all of the above in a short sentence: Update = Step to the future. If you don't like the update, don't like it, give nice feedback, don't make a stupid war just cuz of an update. 

 

If insult kinda break the rules, just delete it. You know sometimes insulting wake a person up or pays his/her attention. Anyways have nice time.