IIT: Why there shouldn't be a refund.

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Still, players wouldn't have known for sure when or how the weapons would be nerfed/buffed, nor would they have known to what extent - the devs might as well have added the following to the Twins description just after the rebalance, following your logic:

 

"Oh but we're going to nerf this weapon eventually, so don't buy it depending on how good it is now."

 

^Exactly.

So by your logic everything should remain as it is right now and there shouldn't be any updates at all because if there is an update the developers have to refund.

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Tanki don't need to give people a refund. But they are changing the essence of the game. Do they need to refund everything? No. Should they...? That is the point which is up for debate. In my opinion, they would be stupid to, but they should have thought about it. Basically, it would have been a lot slicker if they had stuck to their 2.0 plan and changed everything at the same time with a refund. But they didn't, they've brought out each of their updates at the same time, which has its own positives but in actuality it's also dug them into a big hole which they have fallen into face-first. In my opinion, it's extremely unlikely that any refund will be forthcoming. However I'd like a formal statement from the administration explaining why not and some form of compensation - how about making the funds go up a bit quicker again? Or a permanent 5% drop in all prices?

Why compensate for updating the game... I don't understand the logic behind that. We ask for updates and then cry for refunds when we get them.

[xterrork 188]

Tanki Online is a game, but as you know a lot of people work for this. All this people doing it as a job and they must paid for this job. It is tottally wrong the seperation to buyers and no buyers. If you want this game have a future you must buy. The logic i dont buy it is for children which dont know the real world from one side and from the other side they exploit the work of other people.

In our matter about refund.

The refund is pointless because if you are a serius player you already know that all the guns and hulls are good and it depends from the map will you play , the opponents and the mood you have. So even if tanki made a refund then you gonna have to buy all the weapons and hulls from the begining.

[Afro_Samurai 240]

Honestly, I think there should be a refund, because everything is totally different.  Hunter used to be the fastest-turning medium type hull, but after the update, Dictator will be the fastest turning medium type hull, and that isn't the only difference.  So in my opinion, I think there should be a refund.  Of course, everyone has there own opinion.  Everyone has the right to fight for their opinion.  I have my opinion, and you have your's.  Fight for your opinion though, because although my opinion is different at the moment, maybe there shouldn't be a refund.  We'll let everyone else's opinions determine what should be done.  Good topic.  ;)

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Honestly, I think there should be a refund, because everything is totally different.  Hunter used to be the fastest-turning medium type hull, but after the update, Dictator will be the fastest turning medium type hull, and that isn't the only difference.  So in my opinion, I think there should be a refund.  Of course, everyone has there own opinion.  Everyone has the right to fight for their opinion.  I have my opinion, and you have your's.  Fight for your opinion though, because although my opinion is different at the moment, maybe there shouldn't be a refund.  We'll let everyone else's opinions determine what should be done.  Good topic.  ;)

I think the issue is; what implied it in the first place that we keep asking for refunds every time they change the smallest of thing. Before the rebalance tanki did a refund for Shaft... and those were some huge changes (removing the overheat feature, aiming changes, damage changes, reload changes... basically everything)

 

Shaft was the only time a refund was actually justified (rebalance as well; that was a whole new game so refund absolutely justified). When things change for everyone there shouldn't be a refund. Next thing we know we'll ask for a refund when Tanki releases a new tank because "it wasn't there and we chose to upgrade hunter"

Edited September 18, 2013 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[GoldRock 6,165]

So by your logic everything should remain as it is right now and there shouldn't be any updates at all because if there is an update the developers have to refund.

Nope, I agree with skit's point about this - it would be better if they just changed everything (or most aspects of hulls/weapons) at the same time, with a refund, rather than changing them bit by bit.

Edited September 18, 2013 by GoldRock

[X-x-A-x-X 144]

this guy that mad this banned me on christmas day -.-

 

but i will support the noob all the way

because i agree with him

 

but a refund would be lovely

Edited September 18, 2013 by X-x-A-x-X

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Nope, I agree with skit's point about this - it would be better if they just changed everything (or most aspects of hulls/weapons) at the same time, with a refund, rather than changing them bit by bit.

Developing a game isn't telling a computer what to do and it's done. Doing things step by step is infinitely easier than doing everything at once. They tried Tanki 2.0 and it failed, there's a reason we don't talk about how the beta testing went.

[X-x-A-x-X 144]

Developing a game isn't telling a computer what to do and it's done. Doing things step by step is infinitely easier than doing everything at once. They tried Tanki 2.0 and it failed, there's a reason we don't talk about how the beta testing went.

shh don't talk about beta

[Afro_Samurai 240]

I think the issue is; what implied it in the first place that we keep asking for refunds every time they change the smallest of thing. Before the rebalance tanki did a refund for Shaft... and those were some huge changes (removing the overheat feature, aiming changes, damage changes, reload changes... basically everything)

 

Shaft was the only time a refund was actually justified (rebalance as well; that was a whole new game so refund absolutely justified). When things change for everyone there shouldn't be a refund. Next thing we know we'll ask for a refund when Tanki releases a new tank because "it wasn't there and we chose to upgrade hunter"

I know what you mean.  People ask for refunds even if, for example, thunder was slightly weakened.  If it were slight changes, then I would agree that there should be no refund.  But, when I tried the new physics out in the test server, everything seemed different.  I felt that my planned combos for certain maps, would drastically change.  To me, this update seems pretty big.  That's just my opinion.  As I said before, maybe there shouldn't be a refund.  We think things should be done, but we don't actually know what should be done.  Nobody knows. 

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

People be like: New update? Refund!

Rebalance which needs refund? No rebalance!

Stupid public

[r_ELain_3S0 17]

With the new Physics update stats may be left unchanged, but at least 50% of the Tanki gameplay is made by tanks' movements. And that will all change. Asking for a refund after this update doesn't seem too unreasonable for me. This won't be a minor update, and everyone will be affected by it. Some developer even said that there will be an actual rebalance soon after the Physics update.

 

Speed and physics are just as important as stats for the gameplay, and from what Opeh-Rax said I get that current stats system won't be working well with new physics. I think a game redesigning, maybe with MU taken in account, will happen after the new update. Asking for a refund is more than legit.

[GoldRock 6,165]

Developing a game isn't telling a computer what to do and it's done. Doing things step by step is infinitely easier than doing everything at once. They tried Tanki 2.0 and it failed, there's a reason we don't talk about how the beta testing went.

Yes, I realise that, and that logic makes sense in some circumstances. However, for example, the developers in Apple won't release a partly updated iPhone called the iPhone 5.1, and then release the iPhone 5.2 a couple of months later... They typically wait a year or so before launching new products, using that time to test their updated versions over and over. This is also more convenient for the user, who doesn't need to switch to a new product every few months. The only frequent updates would be bug-fixes, or small changes to the software.

Edited September 18, 2013 by GoldRock

[r_HichigoShiro0 37]

I do have to agree with you, but we donated to the developers to make the game BETTER. 

 

 

 

Argue with me; I dare you. 

[HeroPlayer 797]

Why shouldn't you want a refund, it doesn't bother you at all. You can just buy your old items back...

[r_HichigoShiro0 37]

Why shouldn't you want a refund, it doesn't bother you at all. You can just buy your old items back...

We're not all arabs with oil fields in our backyards 

[Ilia.ArchangeI 6,785]

In fact I think it's only fair if they take away some money from us.

 

They are just finalizing the re-balance, meaning that some hulls and turrets were not balanced yet.

 

So those who were playing on weak weapons should pay a bit more if their weapons are strengthened, and those who played on OP weapons would pay a bit for having OP-ed for so long.

 

And now they stoop so low as to complain about not getting crystals for the Devs' hard work.

[r_HichigoShiro0 37]

In fact I think it's only fair if they take away some money from us.

 

They are just finalizing the re-balance, meaning that some hulls and turrets were not balanced yet.

 

So those who were playing on weak weapons should pay a bit more if their weapons are strengthened, and those who played on OP weapons would pay a bit for having OP-ed for so long.

 

And now they stoop so low as to complain about not getting crystals for the Devs' hard work.

shut up major 

what do you know about tanki

 

we pay the devs to make the game better

not ruin it with micro upgrades and physics updates which i have no idea why they are even doing it

 

they could just make a new gun and a hull 

 

that would change the game play much better 

Edited September 18, 2013 by r_HichigoShiro0

[GoldRock 6,165]

shut up major 

what do you know about tanki

 

we pay the devs to make the game better

not ruin it with micro upgrades and physics updates which i have no idea why they are even doing it

 

they could just make a new gun and a hull 

 

that would change the game play much better 

Mhmm, fair point...

[Ilia.ArchangeI 6,785]

shut up major 

what do you know about tanki

 

we pay the devs to make the game better

not ruin it with micro upgrades and physics updates which i have no idea why they are even doing it

 

they could just make a new gun and a hull 

 

that would change the game play much better 

Well "ruining" the game with new physics is your opinion. I think the diversified physics only enhances the game.

And though I disagree with introducing the MUs, it's just something they have to do.

 

It seems to me that 80% of the people around here think that the Devs and CMs just make random decisions on a whim. Grow up.

 

In reality a decision for a company like this takes weeks, with dozens of brainstorming meetings, and hundreds of pros and cons thrown in. And though they respect and listen to our voice too, relatively we see only a tiny part of the picture. They see it in its entirety.

 

If you've ever worked with a group of people, you'd know that you can never please them all. More often than not you have to take matters into your own hands. How much harder do you think it is with millions?

Edited September 18, 2013 by Ilia.ArchangeI

[HichigoShiro1 97]

Well "ruining" the game with new physics is your opinion. I think the diversified physics only enhances the game.

And though I disagree with introducing the MUs, it's just something they have to do.

 

It seems to me that 80% of the people around here think that the Devs and CMs just make random decisions on a whim. Grow up.

 

In reality a decision for a company like this takes weeks, with dozens of brainstorming meetings, and hundreds of pros and cons thrown in. And though they respect and listen to our voice too, relatively we see only a tiny part of the picture. They see it in its entirety.

 

If you've ever worked with a group of people, you'd know that you can never please them all. More often than not you have to take matters into your own hands. How much harder do you think it is with millions?

1. Lol, in what universe?

2. Yes, and they devs are not smart at all 

3. Lol we wish 

[tankpwn 33]

Sure, you would get your refund if they changed only hornet. But they changed everything in such a way that when taken in perspective; Nothing has changed.

 

Wasp is still the fastest, mammoth is still the slowest.

 

P.S, You are bad at math.

How stupid are you? If you buy a BMW and 1 year later I come back and give you a Mercedes, your gonna complain, right, and want your money back or the BMW you bought? Tanki wouldn't survive without donaters, jackass.

[skitee 555]

Why compensate for updating the game... I don't understand the logic behind that. We ask for updates and then cry for refunds when we get them.

It's not about compensation for updating the game. It's about compensation for completely changing the facts and specifications of what we have bought.

[robelll 12]

Refund!!!!!

[aojsd 144]

Sure, you would get your refund if they changed only hornet. But they changed everything in such a way that when taken in perspective; Nothing has changed.

 

Wasp is still the fastest, mammoth is still the slowest.

Except that the speeds of all the medium and light tanks were increased by A LOT, while with the heavy tanks, not so much.