Formal Protest about Righteousness of New Clan Rules and Request for Reparation

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

The Following is not a public discussion of moderation and does not infringe on tankiforum general rule 2.18. - public discussion of moderation as well as Administration' activities

The purpose of this thread is

1) to flag the ambiguity, misdirections and inconsistency in the already published new clan rules (just the print, not the essence of the rules)

2) to help redraft the rules properly so all ambiguity is removed.

3) to help all those currently affected by these ambiguity, misdirections and inconsistencies

MODERATION CRITICS, HATERS, TROLLS , INTENTIONAL FLAMERS PLEASE ABSTAIN !!!!!

mods please relocate thread in appropriate section if necessary

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I am protesting on behalf of all of Clan Top Gun [TG]   about a section of the new clan rules.

 

 

Rules being contested:

 

 

 

2.12 -  If a player has left the clan (for example to play in other non-clan tournaments), he can't join any clan for the next 3 months.

2.13 -  A player can change clan only during the period of the transfer window, from the 1st to the 5th of every month. 
2.14 -  To change clan firstly you need to leave the current one. In order to do this, you have to publicly declare it in your clan topic. Then your ex-clan has to confirm that you have left during the next transfer window (or during the current one, if you announced that you are leaving while there was an open window). Only then you can join another clan. To do this it's necessary to post an official message in your new clan's topic saying that you are joining it. If everything was done correctly and your nickname appeared in the registrations topic (link to be added later), you will be able to play for your new clan starting from the 6th of this month.
2.15 -  A player leaves or joins a clan the exact moment he posts an official forum message declaring it. If there is no public message, the player's action will not be registered or considered official.
2.16 -  You can start playing for your new clan once the transfer window when you were added to your new clan is closed (it means that you can play from the 6th as the transfer window gets closed in the evening of the 5th).

 

 

 

Rule 2.12 is highly misdirecting in nature, and is not consistent with the rest of rules 2.13, 2.14, 2.15 and 2.16.  It seems that players as well as many clan leaders interprete 2.12 as "if a player leaves a clan to play in a non-clan game (solo or tandem or on another community) they cannot join a clan again for a period of 3 months."

Moderators interpret the same rule as "if a players leaves a clan for whatever reason, they cannot join back in a clan for a period of 3months"

There is an element of misdirection in the example given in bracket in the rule itself.  This is highly ambiguous and should be properly reworded to remove any confusion.

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Rule 2.13 imposes that each and every clan members be allowed to transfer from clan to clan only during the transfer window, which is not bad in itself when all goes well.  But if a clan member decides to leave a clan due to internal clan issues or has been kicked by the clan leaders, this becomes a problem.  As the player is clan-less, some will not be able to find another clan to adhere to by the time the next Transfer Window comes.  At the end of the transfer window , if they still had not find a clan to adhere to, they will be considered (by the moderators team and their interpretation of Rule 2.12) as players leaving a clan and subject to Rule 2.12 and will therefore not be able to join any other clan in the coming 3 months.

Please understand the very real fact that each clans have their own agendas and issues and that this rule is severely handicapping some players who are victims or redundants of those internal clan issues who cannot / are not able to find a new clan in the short time there is before the end of the next transfer window.  

I strongly suggest this scenario be considered and this rule be redrafted to avoid such occurrences in the future.

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Rule 2.14 allows a player to leave a clan anytime and not necessarily during a transfer window.  This does contradict rule 2.13 and can therefore be deemed inconsistent.

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Rule 2.15 and 2.16 mention the element of exact time at which a player is considered an official member of a clan.  And since players post (whether leaving or adhering) are not always during the transfer window, for obvious reasons, it cannot be said that they go perfectly hand in hand with Rule 2.13

 

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Proposals

 

 

Rule 2.12 It would be good to have an input on the initial intentions of the rule makers on this one before we continue the debate on this one.


I suggest that the term "Registered Member" be used to describe a clan member who can participate in official tanki tournaments, i.e who has been declared in previous Transfer Windows by his clan leaders as one of theirs.

This will allow a leeway where one can be considered an "official member" of a clan but not yet a "registered member" as he may have joined prior to a transfer window and awaiting his registration.  Similarly another player can be deemed no longer an "official member" of a clan but still a "registered member" if he leaves the clan on the 7th of the month and will have to wait for the next Transfer Window to be "de-registered"


Rule 2.13 needs to be re-written in accordance with what comes out of the debate on Rule 2.12 , but will also have to take into consideration that it is not possible to limit freedom of movement of players joining or exiting a clan to only the Transfer Window period of each month.
 

 

Rule 2.14, 2.15, 2.16 can mostly be left unaltered if the above 2 are well written.  My only suggestion would be to use the term "registered member" where necessary instead of the ambiguous "official member".

 

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Requests

 

 

I would like to request on behalf of my clan, all clans affected and all players affected by these inconsistencies, specially the misdirections of Rule 2.12, to have those affected by these be considered on a case-by-case basis and allowed to transfer / register on the next Transfer Window if found they were ruled out through no faults of their own but simply due to the non fool-proof nature and ambiguity in the new clan rules.

 

Requests for reparation continues in the post below in The Birthstone Case. 

Edited September 19, 2013 by r_Damn_Slow0

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

The Birthstone Case

 

 

 

Player @birthstone is one of the victim of the above.  @birthstone has been a member of Clan Behemoth [bEE] until his departure on the 2^nd of September when he submitted his resignation from BEE and openly declared he is no longer a member of that clan.  He did also participate in the TOF SOLO RAILGUN competion which is a sport mode reserved to clan and team members during his stay at BEE, and only left the clan after his exit from this tournament. 

 

Having been a victim in the ambiguities present in the new clan rules, specially Rule 2.12, he as well as the clan leaders and members he has been in touch with all thought that because he did not participate in a non-sport TOF SOLO game he would not be affected by Rule 2.12 and would therefore be allowed to join a clan in any of the coming Transfer Windows.

 

@birthstone made an application to Clan Top Gun [TG] and was finally accepted on the 10^th of September.  Unfortunately and to the surprise of everyone, he was informed that subject to Rule 2.12 he is being denied registration as an official member of Clan Top Gun [TG] or any other clans until the 1st of December.

 

 

I am therefore making a formal request that @birthstone be allowed to join the clan of his choosing during the next Transfer Window or any subsequent ones for he is not at fault, nor any other clan leaders in the matter.  The only guilty party is a set of poorly written and inconsistent rules.

 

I am also making a formal request that all players affected similarly be given their chance to join the clan of their choosing during the next Transfer Window or any subsequent ones. for they are not at fault, and they as well as their new clans are all being wrongfully held back by a set of poorly-written rules.

 

 

 

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Posted 09 Aug 2013 - 09:09 

Applications for TOF Solo Railgun (from Major, for clan and team players only)

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=179077&do=findComment&comment=3103448

 

Posted 02 Sep 2013 - 19:05

Leaving BEE

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=180272&page=3&do=findComment&comment=3142982

 

Posted 10 Sep 2013 - 14:06

Joining TG

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=171887&page=55&do=findComment&comment=3153487

Edited September 19, 2013 by r_Damn_Slow0

[I.Devastation 2,053]

I agree even though im not in a clan...

[ashfirebolt 51]

I support this statement!

[Remaine 4,687]

agreed m8

[Meliora 1,652]

Good luck :).

[Joshua16 780]

I 100% support this, these rule makes no sense whatsoever

Edited September 19, 2013 by Josh

[robelll 12]

holy :o

[Eragon 13,876]

agreed good luck

[r_OrangeOrange0 12]

birthstone is a noob -_-

[alexomig 9]

I support this statement!

 

I 100% support this, these rule makes no sense whatsoever

That's just because you're TG.

This is only made because Damn_slow suffers under it.

[GeneralVeers 697]

I also agree with the above statement. I have further comments on the matter, but they don't belong here.

[GeneralVeers 697]

That's just because you're TG.

This is only made because Damn_slow suffers under it.

No. That is not the only reason I support them. They are difficult to interpet, and they leave A LOT of room for argument.

 

I was always of the opinion that when Cybersport creates a draft of rules, they should then be handed over to all the clan leaders for their approval.

 

The purpose being, to avoid any misunderstandings in the future.

Edited September 19, 2013 by GeneralVeers

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Totally saw it coming, +1

[HichigoShiro1 97]

tl;dr 

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

tl;dr 

Rule 2.12 makes people clanless for three months.

[alexomig 9]

Player alexomig has been banned for a MONTH. Reason: Multiple violations of violators section rules in the Forum. Next ban will be FOREVER. Rules 

Edited September 19, 2013 by Irontank1v

[Reda12 339]

+1
I totally agree. :)
 

[Nvrbckdown 0]

DS provides lots of evidence of the problem and i think he should be entitled to an answer or a fix of the problem XD i agree

[r_OrangeOrange0 12]

birthstone is a noob -_-

 

I also agree with the above statement. I have further comments on the matter, but they don't belong here.

thx

[mchen 162]

I agree with this. :)

[SprayGround 2,851]

Agree..

[CooperO 7,956]

This is only made because Damn_slow suffers under it.

I haven been discussing those rules Damn_slow is talking about for a while now. Only on Skype though since I'm not in a clan, thus I have no real purpose to discuss it on the forum. I don't suffer from these rules, but I can have my opinion about it and my opinion is that rules 2.12 and 2.13 contradict each other.

[X-x-A-x-X 144]

i agree to disagree.

Edited September 19, 2013 by X-x-A-x-X

[HichigoShiro1 97]

Rule 2.12 makes people clanless for three months.

thx