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[stawp_thundertime 275]

One more vote to minotaur... Results:-

3 votes to minotaur and 2 to firewall....

Give more votes...

That is a tough one.

All i can say is, both are ridiculously op for their respective unlocking ranks. However firewall unlocks a rank before, and is a bit cheaper.

So if you can get it at it's unlocking rank you'll get a little more benefitial deal. If it's gonna take you to rhino ranks to gather enough crystals for a purchase i'd go for rhino. Twins m2 and viking m2 are almost m3 guality stuff, and if you get roger or some other nice paint with it, well you have 1 of the strongest m2 combos possible in your hands.

[U.N.R.A.T.E.D 8]

That is a tough one.

its not, trsut me !

minotaur and firewall are not even comparable ( in any map in any mode )

 

Atlas and Minotaur are best M2 kits by faaar then fortress and then maybe firewall

 

i used all M2 kits on different alts ( except stinger tornado cyclops and mosquito ) so trust me on this ^

[stawp_thundertime 275]

its not, trsut me !

minotaur and firewall are not even comparable ( in any map in any mode )

 

Atlas and Minotaur are best M2 kits by faaar then fortress and then maybe firewall

 

i used all M2 kits on different alts ( except stinger tornado cyclops and mosquito ) so trust me on this ^

Sorry, i've plaid both of these kits too, i can give to you that minotaur is a whole lot easyer to use, and that m2 viking is a little stronger than m2 hunter. That's all, firebird and twins can easily gain similar results, and i have about 2 times more experience with twins so there is no question about me just being a fire user.

 I agree with you on atlas, fortress is a total waste of money as there is this thing called bulldozer... and the other thing called m2 titan.

It's pretty hard to make a good plan of  purchases that includes fortress.

 

I do appreciate you trying to correct something that you felt was off, but when it comes to these kits im pretty sure i know what im talking about... If you feel like i can't be correct about this you are welcome to bring some points, but im not going with blind trust, when i have personal experience about the matter :)

[U.N.R.A.T.E.D 8]

Sorry, i've plaid both of these kits too, i can give to you that minotaur is a whole lot easyer to use, and that m2 viking is a little stronger than m2 hunter. That's all, firebird and twins can easily gain similar results, and i have about 2 times more experience with twins so there is no question about me just being a fire user.

 I agree with you on atlas, fortress is a total waste of money as there is this thing called bulldozer... and the other thing called m2 titan.

It's pretty hard to make a good plan of  purchases that includes fortress.

 

I do appreciate you trying to correct something that you felt was off, but when it comes to these kits im pretty sure i know what im talking about... If you feel like i can't be correct about this you are welcome to bring some points, but im not going with blind trust, when i have personal experience about the matter :)

check this  http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=181748&page=174&do=findComment&comment=5447485

 

really ? how ? in which map ? with drug ? is fire a game changer ?!

 

when u compare it to M2 kits its not waste but firewall is, u think just cuz fire/hunter m3 unlock late that means m2 fire/hunter is good ?!

 

my point is clear , Fire m2 is not good , 2 kind of ppl think its good , new players and old players that have not alts

 

here some screenshots if u dubt that im fraud

 

 

Drug ON

Drug OFF

 

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

if u have a good fire paint eyjafjallajokull kit rocks.plus that africa helps u alot. i went for eyja and dont regret it even for a minute irrespective of the map

I got Taiga (With some upgrades of course)

[Benefactor 6,888]

check this  http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=181748&page=174&do=findComment&comment=5447485

 

really ? how ? in which map ? with drug ? is fire a game changer ?!

 

when u compare it to M2 kits its not waste but firewall is, u think just cuz fire/hunter m3 unlock late that means m2 fire/hunter is good ?!

 

my point is clear , Fire m2 is not good , 2 kind of ppl think its good , new players and old players that have not alts

 

here some screenshots if u dubt that im fraud

 

 

Drug ON

Drug OFF

 

I went through the LT ranks very quick with Viking/Firebird. 

[Benefactor 6,888]

I think I'll go with minotaur then...coz I use fighter at present.

That would be the logical path.

[U.N.R.A.T.E.D 8]

I went through the LT ranks very quick with Viking/Firebird. 

we are talkin abt normal players here not full druger buyers , when u drug fully no matter what combo u use (beside shaft and rail), u can rank fast

 

Edit: lol we are at same rank and u used almost 10 times more repair kits than me O,o

Edited April 22, 2016 by U.N.R.A.T.E.D

[stawp_thundertime 275]

 

It's a long one, becouse i plan to quote it as this is a common topic i don't wish addressing with a new post every single time.

 

Fortress isn't a waste compared to other m2 kits? Fortress has nothing on atlas, and you know that. 1 could point out that you can buy fortress 2 ranks earlyer, but in my eyes that gives it no extra points. A wise route of m2 purchases doesn't start with a fat hull.

1. because it's completely overkill, and the extra armor is barely of any use, you will barely get to low health anyways.

2. Medium hull allows you to work in all areas, so you can actually help your team by capping, and is still very hard to kill at lower ranks, using drugs almost unkillable. Medium kit is the best 1st m2 kit in allmost any cenario.

3. You are going to want to avoid 2 hulls of the same weight, medium kit and a fat kit is the best combo, since it allows you to help your team in pretty much every way. Why buy fortress and add some medium kit to that, when you can buy some medium kit and add atlas or bulldozer to that?

 

Correct me if im wrong, but you seem to really like going completely overkill on ppl. I make this assumption from your screenshots, your d/ls, decent amount of drugs used and your exp/time ratio. Now i do agree, that when going overkill guns with no reload are the way to go.

I discussed about this very topic on another thread few months back, and the discussion was based on this.

 

 

 

 

The owner of the thread called twins out as the best gun in the game, regardless of rank. And, well the chart says it all, twins absolutely destroys other guns when it comes to concistant damage. But to call twins you have to actually see the use of concistant damage. It's helpful when you stay alive for long, and have alot of contact with enemies.

However there are a couple things twins doesn't do, but fire does.

1. It's helpless against isidas in many ways, it can't damage isida through anyone, if it doesn't have a long faceoff, isida will barely suffer any damage, and the effort of twins can be easily outdone. It can't deal more damage, than an isida can handle; only targetting 1 person at the time will not overwhelm the isidas ability to keep a teams livelyhood up, and as long as it has lively team you are not surviving long enough to squeeze that concistant damage benefit that twins has... only cituations that give twins the upper hand on an isida are the ones where twins has faster hull. And the cituations where the faceoff is so long, that the isida runs out of ammo... and how often do you face standalone isidas in a skilled team? And if you do, the reason they are without support is propably because they want a respawn for new drugs or full clip, which makes you only serve them with your kill.

2. It doesn't enable you to damage large groups. Pretty selfexplanitory, twins is not the gun to lead attacs with, which makes for a poor attacker, if your enemy has an actual defence going on. If you can't cause mass damage to enemies defence as a lead attackes your attack is pretty much doomed. Either on a point or when going for the flag. And in many cases a good leader for an attack is a gamechanger.

I do agree that a drugging twins against a nondrugging defence can lead, but we are talking about the effectiveness of turrets in general, that means we should count noobwrecking only as a part of the abilities of the turret.

3. It doesn't go well with light hulls. Duh, twins on a light hull is something a skilled player dispises. Twins needs long contacct with enemies, and a light hull can't handle that. This makes for another drawback in the attackin ability of twins.

4. Twins needs isidas or drugs. Simple enough, twins can't survive short standoffs on top, therefore it requires either a nooby opponent or isidas and drugs. Fire can work against skilled players even with short lifespan, the burn effect and massdamage will put in alot more damage, than a short span of twins balls. This makes firebird able to destroy even strong enemy lines without drugging or a isida focusing on him.

5. It doesn't return flags as ez. You wanna return a flag from enemy base from that nasty twins/mammoth. Well you can't twins can't handle an equal twins, or any strong defender on that matter. It NEEDS contact, however a defender is prepared, and has a infinite ammo turret too, and a fat hull added to that, propbly isida and mines. With fire you could hit n' run, or atleast harm him badly. With twins you are bound to lose to him, you won't get long enough time, and he won't suffer any damage after he has rekt you.

 

I think i made my point clear, Firebird has it's place, it's not the godmode that beats a dead horse. It's a gun for solving battles with equal opponents, and as your screenies prove it's not completely helpless on kicking noobies around either.

I stated: "firebird and twins can easily gain similar results," And by that i mean both of these turrets can be used to win battles, they can be used to own noobs, they can be used to fight tough battles. I do agree, that twins performs better in some areas, but i think i proved that firebird can also outshine twins in some others.

 

"when u need to change game u need to drug" sadly enough, you can't always do that. Maybe you should try changing a game by changing tactics, combos or the overall strategy if your team has 1 going on. I can very much say it works and grows ones capabilities as a player.

"Twins m2 is better than fire m2 in both drug and non-drug games." Is a VERY ignorant statement. I'll give you the simplest of examples: your team has full twins, what do you do? Well you propably shouldn't add another twins in there, paints, and isidas will make you lose that game. Now a little more complicated: your team can't defeat the enemies dominance, on point there is a fat twins/titan sitting with isidas, and you can't seem to kill it.(very often the case) Well adding another twins won't serve you that well, the isidas will keep him alive, and he will keep the isidas alive. Both cenarios can be asily solved by a firebird, and i can list out alot more, but i hope i don't have to.

I'm not making this any longer, if you didn't get it from that, i can't make you get it. :)

 

Well there is a chance that you are a player of all sorts of battles, who just happens to perform better with twins, maybe me telling you about the different uses of different guns missed the mark. If that is the case i congratulate you, you have found your gun... this however doesn't mean others will get the same results.

[Benefactor 6,888]

we are talkin abt normal players here not full druger buyers , when u drug fully no matter what combo u use (beside shaft and rail), u can rank fast

 

Edit: lol we are at same rank and u used almost 10 times more repair kits than me O,o

Because I go after the flag with a slow hull. If the Russians play that way, so will I. Problem?

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

So, some of my friends would know that I've started actually saving up for Legend Kit (unlike other Majors who start saving but get bored and buy something else). Buying M2 XP/BP costs quite a lot, if bought early. I, myself, bought Tornado (Kit) at First Lieutenant for the sum of 149k or something like that (I had a small discount on Rail M2 at that time).

 

At First Lieutenant, it's not an easy thing to decide at such a low rank to buy Legend Kit, although it was always a somewhat farfetch'd dream for me ... I always wanted to buy Legend Kit since I bought M1 XP, I fell in love with XP at like WO4. So, at Lietenant Colonel, I have about 90k and Iron Day Sales came up. At that time, the only M2s I had were M2 Hornet, Rail and Dictator (making only 1 good combo). I had 90k, so I spent it on Rico and Isida M2. So basically, I had about 10k after that. At about Lt. Colonel, I started playing normal battles again (not XP/BP). Rico and Isida were pretty useless at that rank, I kinda regretted buying them tbh.

 

So, I just kept playing XP/BP and honing my skills towards Railgun. I started realising that the crystals I was getting in XP/BP Battles were much higher than the crystals I was getting in normal battles. Even the typical Sandbox CTF XP/BP was giving me a decent sum of crystals, without even wasting any drugs. So, I started saving for Legend Kit, not buying anything, saving every crystal. So in the time between Colonel and Brig, I had acquired a decent total of 200k. I was sitting on 200k'ish, at about Brigadier, getting closer to Legend. At Mid-Way through Brigadier (where I'm currently at now) I have 220k. I'm inching away, getting close to Legend by the second but I still need 140k in 1 Rankup, which means I can't buy ANYTHING until Legend!

 

After a bit of research, I can conclude that no recent Kits have less of a discount than Legend and Nomad - both the Rail M3 Kits. This is ridiculous. Yes, I understand that many people want to buy XP/BP M3 at that rank but 35% is just such a tiny discount. 369k is a huge amount to pay for a kit at Major General (even if it is able to buy at Lietenant General). I seriously think that Tanki should make Legend (and Nomad) at 40% discount.

 

Thanks for bothering to read this long Article! ;)

Edited April 22, 2016 by Marc

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

Feel free to share your opinions below. :)

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Edited April 22, 2016 by Marc

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Agreed that they should give it a little bit bigger discount.

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

and yeah I'm probably gonna get it also (after Minotaur and Firebird M2 and Railgun M2) sense I love XP also

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

Agreed that they should give it a little bit bigger discount.

and yeah I'm probably gonna get it also (after Minotaur and Firebird M2 and Railgun M2) sense I love XP also

Yeah, I mean Legend is one of the most wanted (in-demand) Kits in Tanki and it has the equal lowest discount (35%). 35% is just pathetic IMO.

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[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Yeah, I mean Legend is one of the most wanted (in-demand) Kits in Tanki and it has the equal lowest discount (35%). 35% is just pathetic IMO.

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tbh that's probably why it has the lowest discount. They figure they can make the biggest profit from it

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

tbh that's probably why it has the lowest discount. They figure they can make the biggest profit from it

True but that's just so unfair.

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

True but that's just so unfair.

that's the way of Business

[lukey0 27,543]

Paladin Kit was once 35%, now its 45%. :LOL:

 

Its just to make a profit from it.

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

Paladin Kit was once 35%, now its 45%. :lol:

 

Its just to make a profit from it.

I understand but why on both the Rail M3 Kits? If you're gonna do it, then make it on just one of them?

[Bugs.meeny 1,013]

They should do it 45%, so not everybody has it, but its at least worthwhile to buy

Edited April 23, 2016 by Bugs.meeny

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

They should do it 45%, so not everybody has it, but its at least worthwhile to buy

Yeah, 35% is barely a discount. Kit discounts should be either higher or on power with good sales, which is about 40%. 35% is super low...

[GoldRock 6,165]

No. It's a really effective kit to get at an early rank, the huge advantage from the kit is not only in normal battles but also in XP. Hence, it's fair to have a lower discount for it in my eyes - since players who can afford to get it already get a huge advantage from the kit itself anyways.

 

Yeah, I mean Legend is one of the most wanted (in-demand) Kits in Tanki and it has the equal lowest discount (35%). 35% is just pathetic IMO. 

That's the point...

 

If 35% was so pathetic, it wouldn't have the level of demand that it does. The fact that with one of the lowest discounts of all kits it's still one of the most highly demanded (and I would assume one of the most highly purchased) seems to indicate that to shift demand to similar levels as that for other kits, an even lower discount would be suitable (basic microeconomics). The current discount is thus more than proportionate to the benefit gained from the kit, and hence it still remains popular thanks to a proportionately generous discount.

 

If I were you, I wouldn't complain - be happy that you have such a kit available early at the discount that it is.

 

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As for there being a low discount for both Rail M3 kits, it seems to be coincidence in that both unlock high-powered equipment earlier than other kits do, which explains their high demand and lower discounts. I've bought Nomad myself - Hunter M3 and Raccoon are very effective pieces of equipment, and I would assume it's thanks to Hunter M3 (and thus the higher demand for the kit resulting from greater advantage the kit gives) that the discount for Nomad is also lower.

 

Again, you'll find Tanki are being pretty fair, if not more than fair. These more powerful kits (esp. for the ranks at which they unlock) having lower discounts is a good thing for the game, it means they aren't demanded too much relative to other kits/equipment. If the discounts were higher, we might be seeing too many of these high-powered kits in the game, potentially unbalancing gameplay. I would think the developers take these sorts of factors into account when deciding the sizes of kit discounts.

Edited April 23, 2016 by GoldRock

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

I understand that it is OP for the rank unlocked but Hornet M3 can be bought at the same rank, meaning that they'd still be 2 shot. Plus, the Kit I think can be unlocked at Lt. General too. I guess this is a matter of opinion, how you choose to interpret things.

[GoldRock 6,165]

I understand that it is OP for the rank unlocked but Hornet M3 can be bought at the same rank, meaning that they'd still be 2 shot. Plus, the Kit I think can be unlocked at Lt. General too. I guess this is a matter of opinion, how you choose to interpret things.

Sure, but Railgun M3 (a very effective weapon) can't be bought at the unlock rank and Prodigi (a very effective paint) definitely can't.

 

The kit remains unlocked for later ranks, true, but its effectiveness is really measured against the earliest rank at which it unlocks.

 

Of course, people can have differing opinions on the matter. However, that doesn't mean that the opinion that the discount is fair is no more supported than the opinion that it's unfair, as I demonstrated above. 

 

Get over your emotions. The facts and figures indicate that the discount is, at the very least, reasonable.

Edited April 23, 2016 by GoldRock