New physics model for tanks

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

 

 

And yeah, no refunds.

yeah..I know that..you never do logocal things..lol

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

yeah..I know that..you never do logocal things..lol

Really now? http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=182531&p=3197522

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

 

Freeze useless?! Oh come on! Freeze will be just as strong as it was, it will do as much damage as before and it will freeze other tanks just as hard. The only thing that changes is how long it takes for the freeze effect to wear off. And in my opinion that change was really needed, the freeze effect just took too long. Before the rebalance the effect might have been a bit too short, but then no one complained about it and then no one hated freeze so much. Now freeze just ruins the game play, and you come here to complain about nerfing 

the freeze effect?! They could cut the time in half and the freeze effect would still take longer than before the rebalance.

 

 

So with the new physics Ricochet's projectile speed will be faster than Twins'?

 

lol..you proablly never used freeze..tell me..do you think that freeze users only use it only to freeze something for few seconds???..this way it will be stupidest weapon in the game..freeze also needs to KILL once in a while..it doesnt have long attack radius,and it doesnt have ulimited charge like twins..too voulnerable..freeze effect kick's in later..it is not just the freeze effect (and do you think that I don't encounter other freeze in CTF or DM modes that wants my ass kicked???)..the kick in time as well..and you think that freeze is ruinning gameplay?..and the twins don't???..you rank shows that you are here longer time,before rebalance,like I am..i had few acc-s before this one..and dont hold me lectures about pre-rebalance time,I am certainly not one noob..

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

Really now? http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=182531&p=3197522

uhmmm..what part didn't you understand?....I am no kid,I know you are trying to make profit,that is logical,but the changes are too big..

Edited November 7, 2013 by xXx.RazoR.xXx

[CooperO 7,956]

lol..you proablly never used freeze..tell me..do you think that freeze users only use it only to freeze something for few seconds???..this way it will be stupidest weapon in the game..freeze also needs to KILL once in a while..it doesnt have long attack radius,and it doesnt have ulimited charge like twins..too voulnerable..freeze effect kick's in later..it is not just the freeze effect (and do you think that I don't encounter other freeze in CTF or DM modes that wants my ass kicked???)..the kick in time as well..and you think that freeze is ruinning gameplay?..and the twins don't???..you rank shows that you are here longer time,before rebalance,like I am..i had few acc-s before this one..and dont hold me lectures about pre-rebalance time,I am certainly not one noob..

Actually I had freeze before the rebalance and I have freeze now so I do know what I'm talking about. Freeze has so many advantages, even without the enormously long freeze effect, I'm sure you are aware of those since you use freeze. I am not entirely sure why you bring up twins here, because I never said anything about that gun. I will do now: I'm a twins user, however I prefer to use it in no supplies battles. It has many downsides and it's not as easy to use as everyone seems to think (still talking about ns games). It is mainly the unlimited fire that makes twins overpowered, so I'm not sure how the upcoming changes to twins will affect the game play, but I will find out soon enough and just enjoy my good old twins as long as I can.

 

Yup. It will make Twins good vs heavy tanks and will make Ricochet good vs light tanks.

Also, Twins can do just as good head to head while ricochet can land more shots on target from afar due to easier aiming.

So twins for the close combat drug battles and ricochet for the no supplies battles? Well at least ricochet will get better!

[geezer62 41]

i think  u have to make some update on railgun tooo ... coz if shaft is like this railgun is waste .... 

that's why he picks on freeze and twins but improves shaft. BIAS if you ask me!

[geezer62 41]

If twins is that op why doesn't everybody use it.I think its fair right now given its price

My point exactly!!

[jakovslezak 1]

tanki online do this update beacouse ( one of reason ) will be more buyers. there will not be refund and everywohne will come to buy crystals that they can return to the game with strog weapons.

i think thats not fair i use twins m1 2 weeks and i see this update. i think there have to be refund.

shaft will actually be almost the same like railgun

ricochet if their speed of bullet will be faster that will push a lot light tanks and ricochet users will can climb where they want

i think here really need a refund.

[adem_2011 170]

I do understand everybody would like a refund but it will never happen from now on.

 

 This is balancing, NOT rebalance.

 

Now, I am not asking you if you want refund or not, we are clear here that you do. What I am asking you is do you want another update 123?

 

If you ask me, having something like we've done with funds is far less fair then not giving you another refund.

I am a Shaft Player and one reason why I chose Shaft was not only because of its sniper mode but also because that it could shoot like thunder without sniping

Now knowing that it will take 8 sec to reload and yet can not destroy a tank in one shoot, makes its value miserable. Imagine most of Shafts are destroying a tank with two shots.

First shot is fully charged and second is just regular shot. But now there won't be any time to shoot second time before getting destroyed.. If this happens to shaft then I would like to give my shaft away and choose another weapon instead

When I chose the weapons that I have bought and upgraded, I considered their current specifications. And if you change the specifications then you should refund us

Then bring REBALANCE and I will get rid of my shaft m3 gladly and buy another weapon instead of it

 

Because what I have bought, I have bought because of the current specifications.. Imagine you order a new car from a company which can speed up to 240 km/hour and you pay 50 thousand euro

You take your car and only one year later it is having malfunctions and your car can speed up to 180 km/hour

what would you do? you would go to company and give your car back and ask them to refund your 50 thousand euro, right ? Because you bought the car because of its specifications

Now you say Shaft has to wait 8 sec for reloading. I didn't buy my Shaft m3 because of that. I bought it because it takes faster to reload and also can fight like thunder, but if you take this specifications back then refund us, so that we can give it back and buy another weapon instead. Perhaps a railgun. Because they also take 3 sec to shoot and they can do this while moving. Much more better

 

Now you are telling me that increasing reload time from 3 sec to 8 sec is not a REBALANCE ? Really?

So you might think that I have chose this weapon for 8 sec reload time in the future ? Because I am psychic and I can see the future changes in the game ?

And you call this is not a REBALANCE ? Because we are small kids who can be beguiled by candies?

 

Please grow up. Say that refund is not gonna happen. But don't say that this is not a rebalance.. Then what was the previous one ? Then that was also not a rebalance

What is the meaning of "RE" If you change the balance and bring it to new balance, it is "RE" balance. So you accept or not, but you can't change the facts that this is a REBALANCE

 

Edited November 7, 2013 by adem_2011

[sunnysr 0]

SHAFT reload in 8 seconds !?!?  :o  But ,but .... why!?

[BacardyXX 17]

SHAFT reload in 8 seconds !?!?  :o  But ,but .... why!?

Battle will end before u can reload ur shaft.. :D

[VANSHAJ 95]

Battle will end before u can reload ur shaft.. :D

lol

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

I am a Shaft Player and one reason why I chose Shaft was...

I am shaft player myself and I've been through some tournaments. So, you say shaft not worth playing if it can not one-shot-kill enemy tank? I am sorry but you doing it wrong. Shaft is excellent weapon to finish enemy off not shooting in enemy face standing under fire. Having 3~4 sec to pump up your power is incredible for the task and 7~8 reload time wll give you chance to relocate and pick up some boxes without loosing your DPM. Can you do that with current shaft? Yes you can, but you will loose your DPM while moving and you are taking additional damage while standing still. Besides, reload+aiming time has not been changed. If you like to stand still.. well.. this is a gamplay we do not want to encourage anymore.

 

One thing about that car everybody always brings in as an example. If I refund you taking away, let's say, 20 km/h of your car what should I do if I give you additional 20 km/h? Should I just take your money saying nothing? Kinda double edged sword thing if you ask me.

 

Anyway, this is not what we call rebalance as it planned be. This is just a preparation. A few thing we can do to fix current problems on physics release. Actual balancing is still planned afterwards.

[doughnut2100 763]

^ Looks good hazel. Shaft will be a bit more enjoyable now. :)

[adem_2011 170]

 

I am shaft player myself and I've been through some tournaments. So, you say shaft not worth playing if it can not one-shot-kill enemy tank? I am sorry but you doing it wrong. 

No I didn't say that. I said this:

 Imagine most of Shafts are destroying a tank with two shots.

First shot is fully charged and second is just regular shot. But now there won't be any time to shoot second time before getting destroyed.. Besides as you said, you have been thorough some tournaments now, not in the future with the new shaft

 

 

 7~8 reload time wll give you chance to relocate and pick up some boxes without loosing your DPM. Can you do that with current shaft? Yes you can, but you will loose your DPM while moving and you are taking additional damage while standing still
 

Reloading time will give me chance to relocate? You mean while twins is chasing me and shooting me right behind? All he needs is 5 sec to destroy me. Imagine a hornet, I shoot him once but all I need is the second shot for which I have to wait 8 sec, and all he needs is 5 sec

So when I relocate myself, will I be invincible for the next 8 sec ? Or should I just keep running away. And you know how slow his turret turns. Not like twins

Edited November 7, 2013 by adem_2011

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

...Imagine most of Shafts are destroying a tank with two shots...

Yeah, I know how this works. You standing in one spot with your enegry pumped up max and looking one single way for your enemy. Then you shoot whatever comes by first and then, when enemy trying to fight back, you finish it off in one shot.

Remember shaft been OP before rebalance? How fun it is to play game where most of your enemies are standing-still-single-direction-self-controlled-one-shot-kill-mines? Now shaft will have to pick its targets. Now targets will have chance to retaliate.

[adem_2011 170]

 

I am shaft player myself and I've been through some tournaments. So, you say shaft not worth playing if it can not one-shot-kill enemy tank? I am sorry but you doing it wrong. Shaft is excellent weapon to finish enemy off not shooting in enemy face standing under fire. Having 3~4 sec to pump up your power is incredible for the task and 7~8 reload time wll give you chance to relocate and pick up some boxes without loosing your DPM. Can you do that with current shaft? Yes you can, but you will loose your DPM while moving and you are taking additional damage while standing still. Besides, reload+aiming time has not been changed. If you like to stand still.. well.. this is a gamplay we do not want to encourage anymore.

One thing about that car everybody always brings in as an example. If I refund you taking away, let's say, 20 km/h of your car what should I do if I give you additional 20 km/h? Should I just take your money saying nothing? Kinda double edged sword thing if you ask me.

Anyway, this is not what we call rebalance as it planned be. This is just a preparation. A few thing we can do to fix current problems on physics release. Actual balancing is still planned afterwards.

 Saying that this is the balancing the game means an acceptance that re balance have unbalanced the game. right ?
Try to look at the situation now in this point:
You go to the garage and you see there the weapons and their specifications.
Lets say Shaft M3. In garage Shaft M3 is described:
HP: 37-49
Shot Min-- Sniper Mode: 5.4 --- HP: 214 at full charged
Normal Mode: 21.1 --- HP: 37-49

I have seen this specifications and I bought it for this characteristics

Now you are saying that new Sahft M3:
Shot Min -- Sniper Mode: 5.5 (considering that reloading time 8 sec plus 3 sec to full charge makes 11 sec)
-- Normal Mode: 7 (Every 8 sec one shot without sniping)

So this is the new characteristics. Now tell me please, is this not called a REBALANCE ? I would like to hear your honest opinion. Think the fact for what I bought the shaft and what it became

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

...is this not called a REBALANCE ?...

As I said above - no its not. This is balancing, not "rebalance". And more is yet to come.

[adem_2011 170]

As I said above - no its not. This is balancing, not "rebalance". And more is yet to come.

I am sorry but this is not an honest answer. Do you know the meaning of "RE" in english? Like; consider-reconsider, think-rethink etc etc ?

You had balanced the game once under the name "REBALANCE" so it was not balance ? And now you are telling: We are balancing the game "again" which is not called Re-balance

It is the saying like: I consider about it again, without reconsidering

Edited November 7, 2013 by adem_2011

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

This is picture of a game where I played (Opex-Rah) with russian clan community on test server.

 

 

Is my score looks like a nerf resault?

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

I am sorry but this is not an honest answer. Do you know the meaning of "RE" in english? Like; consider-reconsider, think-rethink etc etc ?

You had balanced the game once under the name "REBALANCE" so it was not balance ? And now you are telling: We are balancing the game "again" which is not called Re-balance

It is the saying like: I consider about it again, without reconsidering

Well then you will have to face like an one new whole rebalance every week or two, if you like to call it that way.

[RampagingVenom 554]

If anyone is in doubt do go look at the definitions of both rebalance  & balance :D

I`m sure you will find your answer

I would post but I simple cant be bothered :P

actually could someone be ever so kind & post them for me

cheers ;)

Edited November 7, 2013 by RampagingVenom

[Who.Cares 596]

I think that I know where it leads.. First they make weapons weak then they release the mini-upgrades and full mini-upgraded weapon will have the same effects of current specifications, right ?

But they should refund us. Bring the REBALANCE.

Because what I have bought, I have bought because of the current specifications.. Imagine you order a new car from a company which can speed up to 240 km/hour and you pay 50 thousand euro

You take your car and only one year later it is having malfunctions and your car can speed up to 180 km/hour

what would you do? you would go to company and give your car back and ask them to refund your 50 thousand euro, right ? Because you bought the car because of its specifications

Now you say Shaft has to wait 8 sec for reloading. I didn't buy my Shaft m3 because of that. I bought it because it takes faster to reload and if you take this specifications back then refund us, so that we can give it back and buy another weapon instead

 

REBALANCE

+1 !!

[adem_2011 170]

This is picture of a game where I played (Opex-Rah) with russian clan community on test server.

 

 

Is my score looks like a nerf resault?

And I see that you are playing with railgun there.. Yeah the only weapon which has stayed the same

That is the reason why I want to give my shaft away and buy railgun instead.. See how good railgun is? Better than shaft now

With this you just proved my presumption. Thanks

Edited November 7, 2013 by adem_2011

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

And I see that you are playing with railgun there.. Yeah the only weapon which has stayed the same

That is the reason why I want to give my shaft away and buy railgun instead.. See how good railgun is? Better than shaft now

With this you just proved my presumption

You can see player A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_A_N playing with smoky, not me. That is not my nickname highlighted in score-table.

 

You can find me on this video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWatrEuvxg