Parkour Discussion / Q&A

Helios · February 5, 2024

On 2/5/2024 at 8:11 AM, Adab said:

I understand and I honestly think 1500 supplies and 200k Crystals are a bit less. At first, I wanted the Parkour Club Support Program to give 1M Crystals (yes, 1 million Crystals!) per video, but our Community Manager did not agree to that (probably because 1 million Crystals per video is too much and quite frankly, insane) and later it was decided to give 200k Crystals. This is the first time ever that Parkour Clubs in the EN locale are getting Crystals, so it won't be possible to increase the amount of Crystals right now. If Parkour Clubs perform better than their current performance with what they are getting now, then maybe I will be able to ask our Community Manager to increase the amount of supplies and Crystals given. Also, Support Resources are not given to upgrade gear and use in MM, it is recommended to use them wisely only on things that contribute positively to their Parkour Club and the Parkour community, such as buying supplies, upgrading and buying equipment helpful for Parkour, etc. since they are given to the Members of Supported Parkour Clubs for the work and help they did for their Parkour Club and the Parkour community. Let's not forget that what Parkour Clubs are getting now in the EN locale is a lot compared to what they were getting in the past (for example, before I became a Parkour Clubs Manager, there was a buffer system and parkour clubs in the EN locale were not even getting supplies for every single video). So now, let's try to be fully happy with what we are getting and try to show everyone that we deserve to get even more

Sorry, I needed more time to give a proper comment on this suggestion that you made

Thanks for taking the time to reply @Adab, we should be encouraging parkour to more new players also introduce some more parkour contests , amazing prizes, and better support. And as we players, you are the only one we can directly tell our issues, because you have the credibility to present it to the EN community Manager. Since you are the voice of us parkour players.

So I humbly request you to ask Marcus or whoever it is to make more parkour contests each year (because now we only have MOP and rest of the year is just dry) and also please for a better support.
We must make sure parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki, rather a bigger and ever-growing community. (You said you could try to ask the community manager, so I requesting you to give it one more shot)

Maybe 1m crystals seem like a huge number and its highly unlikely he may accept. I suggest start with either 500k crystals and 4000 supplies as support. And being a bit more easier in the rules for official status.

Hopefully this will be taken into consideration.

Lennard · February 6, 2024

On 1/28/2024 at 11:20 PM, Adab said:

Okay, may I know what exactly you are suggesting? 1) Make the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone, or 2) Make the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone except the Parkour Clubs who got them first (such Parkour Clubs should keep them forever)?

Neither.

Everyone has their own definition of Official Status. My definition for Official Status is:

"It's like a golden medal for a team that made a big and special contribution to the parkour community."

Here's what Swift said in 2021. This is the definition I think we should all agree on.

I've said it several times here and I'll say it again, but the reason parkour club paints (Phoenix and Aero) have lost their value and status is because multiple clubs owned it. I think we can all agree that there is only one active club in the EN community right now that deserves the Phoenix paint: TFP. I say this not because I am part of it, but because of the history, achievements, activity and quality of the club in recent years. And maybe this will all change in the future if a new club comes along and overtakes TFP in terms of the things I've said. I think we should only give the 'gold medal' to 1 club that deserves it the most at that moment.

On 2/5/2024 at 9:18 PM, PopSmoke said:

We should be encouraging parkour to more new players also introduce some more parkour contests , amazing prizes, and better support. And as we players, you are the only one we can directly tell our issues, because you have the credibility to present it to the EN community Manager. Since you are the voice of us parkour players.

So I humbly request you to ask Marcus or whoever it is to make more parkour contests each year (because now we only have MOP and rest of the year is just dry) and also please for a better support.
We must make sure parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki, rather a bigger and ever-growing community. (You said you could try to ask the community manager, so I requesting you to give it one more shot)

I completely agree with you. Parkour is currently in a very poor state. And since the game won't attract new players (because TO doesn't advertise the game), the only way to get new players interested in parkour is to hold parkour contests every now and then. These can be V-LOG Challenges, OMP Challenges, Parkour Survival, etc. I don't know if you followed the recent unofficial contest I hosted, but if you read the feedback, there are many players who would like to have an official parkour contest with in-game prizes and paint. I have collected the feedback and will make a proposal to the CM soon. Let's hope for the best

Helios · February 6, 2024

On 2/6/2024 at 8:21 AM, Lennard said:

Neither.

Everyone has their own definition of Official Status. My definition for Official Status is:

"It's like a golden medal for a team that made a big and special contribution to the parkour community."

Here's what Swift said in 2021. This is the definition I think we should all agree on.

I've said it several times here and I'll say it again, but the reason parkour club paints (Phoenix and Aero) have lost their value and status is because multiple clubs owned it. I think we can all agree that there is only one active club in the EN community right now that deserves the Phoenix paint: TFP. I say this not because I am part of it, but because of the history, achievements, activity and quality of the club in recent years. And maybe this will all change in the future if a new club comes along and overtakes TFP in terms of the things I've said. I think we should only give the 'gold medal' to 1 club that deserves it the most at that moment.

I completely agree with you. Parkour is currently in a very poor state. And since the game won't attract new players (because TO doesn't advertise the game), the only way to get new players interested in parkour is to hold parkour contests every now and then. These can be V-LOG Challenges, OMP Challenges, Parkour Survival, etc. I don't know if you followed the recent unofficial contest I hosted, but if you read the feedback, there are many players who would like to have an official parkour contest with in-game prizes and paint. I have collected the feedback and will make a proposal to the CM soon. Let's hope for the best

That is amazing what you are doing, I will definitely check it out.
Parkour is 1 of the 3 legs that Tanki stands on, we have MM, PRO battle players and Parkour players.

SwiftSmoky · February 8, 2024

On 2/5/2024 at 9:22 PM, Adab said:

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I spent the past few days seriously thinking (I mean it) and calculating the potential risks of making the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone, and the following question kept coming into my head: Why wasn't such a move taken before? For example, when you were managing parkour clubs. So would you mind answering that question for me?

When I was the parkour admin, only the community manager decided about the Official status. If it was up to me, Phoenix wouldn't have existed in the first place. Besides, if I asked to remove Phoenix back then, people (probably including the community manager) would think I'm just being a TFP hater (because of the fight between the clubs at the time).

Adab · February 20, 2024

On 2/5/2024 at 11:18 PM, PopSmoke said:

Thanks for taking the time to reply @Adab, we should be encouraging parkour to more new players also introduce some more parkour contests , amazing prizes, and better support. And as we players, you are the only one we can directly tell our issues, because you have the credibility to present it to the EN community Manager. Since you are the voice of us parkour players.

So I humbly request you to ask Marcus or whoever it is to make more parkour contests each year (because now we only have MOP and rest of the year is just dry) and also please for a better support.
We must make sure parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki, rather a bigger and ever-growing community. (You said you could try to ask the community manager, so I requesting you to give it one more shot)

Maybe 1m crystals seem like a huge number and its highly unlikely he may accept. I suggest start with either 500k crystals and 4000 supplies as support. And being a bit more easier in the rules for official status.

Hopefully this will be taken into consideration.

You are welcome, yes, we should definitely be encouraging Parkour to more new players, and also introduce some more Parkour contests with amazing prizes, but about support (assuming you mean support for Parkour Clubs), I think it is already better now (I just recently made it better), maybe it can be made even better later. And yes, we must make sure that Parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki and that the Parkour community is a bigger and ever-growing community, that's one reason why I did the things that I did (like publishing the Parkour Rules, etc.) recently. I am glad to know that players can or are able to directly tell me their issues, I think that's amazing

And by the way, soon after Marcus did not agree to 1M Crystals, I asked him about 500K Crystals, and he later told me 200k Crystals. I started with 1M, a big number, because I thought that if I started with a smaller number like 500K then Marcus would agree to an even smaller number like 150K. Had I started with 500K Crystals, then maybe Marcus would have agreed to 150K Crystals or 100K Crystals and not 200K Crystals

About asking Marcus to make more Parkour contests each year: I didn't say that I could ask our Community Manager to make more Parkour contests, I don't know if it is Marcus who is responsible for making Parkour contests, but sure, I will try to ask Marcus to make more Parkour contests each year because of this request of yours, but do know that as a Parkour Clubs Manager, I don't think Parkour contests are under my jurisdiction (it is not that I do not want to have Parkour contests under my jurisdiction, I would be happy to manage Parkour contests if I am given the authority to manage them), but I already talked to Marcus about Parkour contests multiple times so far since 2021. Some weeks ago, I talked to Marcus about Masters of Parkour 2024, but sadly, he told me that there are no plans yet to organize it. I asked Marcus about having a Tanki V-LOG Parkour challenge during 2022, and also during the previous month (January), it seems we can expect it in an upcoming Tanki V-LOG

Adab · February 20, 2024

On 2/6/2024 at 7:09 PM, HorizonZeroDawn said:

Everyone have different opinions about tanki today and prime tanki. By forum contact i mean if you are friend with certain mod, he can push you to any tanki helper positions or in game for special paints, again unfortunately i cant confirm that its just my speculation. And yes i like parkour even without any motivation to do it. I dont play tanki at all but i sometimes look how is game going especially parkour.

Okay, well, I always make sure that Parkour Clubs don't get any paint unfairly or wrongly, so I think I can confirm that this speculation of yours is only your speculation and not a reality currently

Adab · February 20, 2024

On 2/6/2024 at 10:21 PM, Lennard said:

Neither.

Everyone has their own definition of Official Status. My definition for Official Status is:

"It's like a golden medal for a team that made a big and special contribution to the parkour community."

Here's what Swift said in 2021. This is the definition I think we should all agree on.

I've said it several times here and I'll say it again, but the reason parkour club paints (Phoenix and Aero) have lost their value and status is because multiple clubs owned it. I think we can all agree that there is only one active club in the EN community right now that deserves the Phoenix paint: TFP. I say this not because I am part of it, but because of the history, achievements, activity and quality of the club in recent years. And maybe this will all change in the future if a new club comes along and overtakes TFP in terms of the things I've said. I think we should only give the 'gold medal' to 1 club that deserves it the most at that moment.

I completely agree with you. Parkour is currently in a very poor state. And since the game won't attract new players (because TO doesn't advertise the game), the only way to get new players interested in parkour is to hold parkour contests every now and then. These can be V-LOG Challenges, OMP Challenges, Parkour Survival, etc. I don't know if you followed the recent unofficial contest I hosted, but if you read the feedback, there are many players who would like to have an official parkour contest with in-game prizes and paint. I have collected the feedback and will make a proposal to the CM soon. Let's hope for the best

I know that everyone may have their own definition of that, and that's one reason why I defined that officially in the Parkour Rules and in the forum topic of the Official Parkour Club Program:

The Parkour Rules says "5.1.1. Clubs that are in the Official Parkour Club Program are called "Official Parkour Clubs" (or simply, "Official Clubs")."
The forum topic of the Official Parkour Club Program says "The goal of the Official Parkour Club Program is to have 1 Parkour Club, which is the best, from each locale to represent the Game and their locale."

We should not agree on the definition that it is a golden medal, because a golden medal is something given to someone permanently and it is problematic to consider the "Official Status" as a golden medal when it is not possible to unproblematically give it to someone permanently. Also, the "Official Status" was never given permanently, was it? For example, it was removed from GTT, etc.

And by the way, currently only 1 Parkour Club can be an Official Parkour Club in each locale at a time, isn't it similar to what you are saying?

Parkour is currently quite far from being in a "very poor" state, at least in the EN locale, there are still multiple Parkour Clubs and there are still a lot of players who Parkour (and some of such players are in Parkour Clubs and some of them are not in any Parkour Club). Parkour contests are an important factor that made new players interested in Parkour in the past, so I also think that Parkour contests must be held every now and then (but do know that the only way to get new players interested in Parkour is not to hold Parkour contests every now and then, there are other ways too). It is great that you have collected the feedback and will make a proposal to our Community Manager soon, I hope for the best

Adab · February 20, 2024

On 2/8/2024 at 5:12 AM, SwiftSmoky said:

When I was the parkour admin, only the community manager decided about the Official status. If it was up to me, Phoenix wouldn't have existed in the first place. Besides, if I asked to remove Phoenix back then, people (probably including the community manager) would think I'm just being a TFP hater (because of the fight between the clubs at the time).

Oh okay, well, I think the situation is similar for me as well currently as it is currently not like Community Managers do not decide about it at all. To be honest, I think you should have asked to remove the Phoenix paint back then or at least not accepted it for F&F or asked to remove it from F&F if there was a fight about it (I am assuming that the fight was about the Phoenix paint) between clubs at that time

And by the way, you were a parkour admin? Weren't you only managing parkour clubs? Even at present, there is no parkour admin

Anyway, I gave a lot of thought about making the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone after you asked me to do so, and I decided that the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints should not be made unobtainable now because of the following reasons (so I am not going to try or take any action to make them unobtainable now): 1) It is currently possible to let the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints be obtainable to everyone without causing significant problems, damage, or harm to anyone or anything, 2) There is currently no need to make the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone as the Parkour Rules and the Parkour Club Programs were recently introduced which significantly reduce any negative impact and effects of letting the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints be obtainable to everyone, and 3) It seems most players have a positive impact and effect because of the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints and it seems most players like the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints. Thank you very much for trying to make things better!

Helios · February 20, 2024

On 2/20/2024 at 7:48 PM, Adab said:

You are welcome, yes, we should definitely be encouraging Parkour to more new players, and also introduce some more Parkour contests with amazing prizes, but about support (assuming you mean support for Parkour Clubs), I think it is already better now (I just recently made it better), maybe it can be made even better later. And yes, we must make sure that Parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki and that the Parkour community is a bigger and ever-growing community, that's one reason why I did the things that I did (like publishing the Parkour Rules, etc.) recently. I am glad to know that players can or are able to directly tell me their issues, I think that's amazing

And by the way, soon after Marcus did not agree to 1M Crystals, I asked him about 500K Crystals, and he later told me 200k Crystals. I started with 1M, a big number, because I thought that if I started with a smaller number like 500K then Marcus would agree to an even smaller number like 150K. Had I started with 500K Crystals, then maybe Marcus would have agreed to 150K Crystals or 100K Crystals and not 200K Crystals

About asking Marcus to make more Parkour contests each year: I didn't say that I could ask our Community Manager to make more Parkour contests, I don't know if it is Marcus who is responsible for making Parkour contests, but sure, I will try to ask Marcus to make more Parkour contests each year because of this request of yours, but do know that as a Parkour Clubs Manager, I don't think Parkour contests are under my jurisdiction (it is not that I do not want to have Parkour contests under my jurisdiction, I would be happy to manage Parkour contests if I am given the authority to manage them), but I already talked to Marcus about Parkour contests multiple times so far since 2021. Some weeks ago, I talked to Marcus about Masters of Parkour 2024, but sadly, he told me that there are no plans yet to organize it. I asked Marcus about having a Tanki V-LOG Parkour challenge during 2022, and also during the previous month (January), it seems we can expect it in an upcoming Tanki V-LOG

Thankyou so much for the initiatives you have taken.

SwiftSmoky · February 21, 2024

On 2/20/2024 at 10:46 PM, Adab said:

I think you should have asked to remove the Phoenix paint back then or at least not accepted it for F&F or asked to remove it from F&F if there was a fight about it (I am assuming that the fight was about the Phoenix paint) between clubs at that time

The fight was about which club is better, and by the time F&F got the paint there was nothing I could do to stop the fight.

On 2/20/2024 at 10:46 PM, Adab said:

And by the way, you were a parkour admin? Weren't you only managing parkour clubs? Even at present, there is no parkour admin

I got the "job" before it had a name. I kept taking more responsibilities, starting from being a forum mod and running the parkour forum (and making the club rules), to managing club support, to organizing contests (I came up with the idea of the Parkour Survival contest, organized the first contest, and partly the 2nd contest. I was asked/offered to help organizing more contests, but I refused). For lack of an official name for my position, people called it however they wanted, it started from "parkour forum mod", but over time "parkour admin" got more popular.

On 2/20/2024 at 10:46 PM, Adab said:

Thank you very much for trying to make things better!

You too! :smile:

Lennard · February 22, 2024

On 2/20/2024 at 9:15 PM, Adab said:

We should not agree on the definition that it is a golden medal, because a golden medal is something given to someone permanently and it is problematic to consider the "Official Status" as a golden medal when it is not possible to unproblematically give it to someone permanently.

It depends how you look at the definition of a 'golden medal' .

On 2/20/2024 at 9:15 PM, Adab said:

Parkour is currently quite far from being in a "very poor" state, at least in the EN locale, there are still multiple Parkour Clubs and there are still a lot of players who Parkour (and some of such players are in Parkour Clubs and some of them are not in any Parkour Club).

I think you're very wrong here. How would you compare the parkour section now and back in 2018-2020? There are only 3 active clubs here and many top clubs have closed recently. There are no players who actively do parkour outside of parkour clubs.

On 2/20/2024 at 9:15 PM, Adab said:

(but do know that the only way to get new players interested in Parkour is not to hold Parkour contests every now and then, there are other ways too).

What other ways are there to get new people into parkour? Now I'm curious

Adab · February 22, 2024

On 2/22/2024 at 8:39 PM, Lennard said:

It depends how you look at the definition of a 'golden medal' .

How else can you look at its definition without contradicting its definition? We should look at its definition the way we are supposed to look at it, if we look at it differently then we may end up contradicting it or changing it partially or completely

On 2/22/2024 at 8:39 PM, Lennard said:

I think you're very wrong here. How would you compare the parkour section now and back in 2018-2020? There are only 3 active clubs here and many top clubs have closed recently. There are no players who actively do parkour outside of parkour clubs.

Well, I think whether Parkour is currently in a "very poor" state or not is subjective, so sure, if you think it is currently in a very poor state, that's fine, but I don't think it is currently in a very poor state because there are still players like you who discuss Parkour here in this forum topic, there are still players like you who want Parkour contests, Parkour Clubs get rewarded better now, there are still players who want to Parkour, there are still players who want to join a Parkour Club or create their own Parkour Club one day. I would compare the "parkour section" now and back in 2018-2020 as follows: It was declining in 2018-2020, but it is not declining now. How do you say so surely that there are no players who actively do "parkour" outside of "parkour clubs"?

On 2/22/2024 at 8:39 PM, Lennard said:

What other ways are there to get new people into parkour? Now I'm curious

There are ways such as making being in a Parkour Club itself more interesting and rewarding, promoting Parkour videos in Tanki V-LOGs often, teaching Parkour in Tanki V-LOGs, making a game mode (inside Tanki) where you get certain objectives (maybe certain buildings as targets to land) to complete which results in certain rewards (maybe in-game currency), etc. If we start thinking properly and creatively, we can find many other ways

Devoid · February 23, 2024

On 2/20/2024 at 1:15 PM, Adab said:

Okay, well, I always make sure that Parkour Clubs don't get any paint unfairly or wrongly, so I think I can confirm that this speculation of yours is only your speculation and not a reality currently

You didn’t mention anything about letting clubs keep their paints/status through unfair or wrong situations. Several clubs missed deadlines and they got to keep their paint, and that’s just one example. I guess you’re not technically wrong, but it gives off an illusion that such scenarios are being overlooked and ignored.

On 2/22/2024 at 3:27 PM, Adab said:

There are ways such as making being in a Parkour Club itself more interesting and rewarding, promoting Parkour videos in Tanki V-LOGs often, teaching Parkour in Tanki V-LOGs, making a game mode (inside Tanki) where you get certain objectives (maybe certain buildings as targets to land) to complete which results in certain rewards (maybe in-game currency), etc. If we start thinking properly and creatively, we can find many other ways

I recently saw a post in the in-game news tab encouraging players to join/create a parkour club…I’d be interested in seeing how many people clicked on that link. That’d be a good indicator of how well that promotion went. Not to be a “Debbie-Downer”, but I’d bet it didn’t get many clicks, and thus didn’t garner much new interest in parkour…

As for the special game modes (like the one we recently saw a couple weeks back), the physics are the old HTML5 physics, which is both annoying for those that DO enjoy parkour already, and is misleading for people that might one day get involved with it. Those physics might make such “newbies” feel that nothing cool is possible in parkour, and if they’re disconnected from social media, that might be the only time they are exposed to “parkour” (and that’s fairly problematic). Oh, and this most recent mode didn’t even have Lightweight augments of either type equipped, so it was just basically a DM mode where you’re limited to a specific combo…Not something people would play much of, unless there’s a significant increase in gold box rates to give players an alternative and wrong reason to play it.

Maybe you could try passing along to Marcus that we need Lightweight augments to make such modes useful/truly enjoyable. I do think it is a good way of getting people interested in parkour for the first time or once again, but that’s really only possible with the change I mentioned above.

Adab · February 27, 2024

On 2/23/2024 at 7:05 AM, Devoid said:

You didn’t mention anything about letting clubs keep their paints/status through unfair or wrong situations. Several clubs missed deadlines and they got to keep their paint, and that’s just one example. I guess you’re not technically wrong, but it gives off an illusion that such scenarios are being overlooked and ignored.

The discussion was not about letting clubs keep their paints/status through unfair or wrong situations, that's why I didn't mention anything about it. There wasn't any rule that said clubs would lose paint if they missed deadlines, so I am not sure what you are talking about

Are you suggesting that clubs should have lost their paint for missing deadlines? If yes, that doesn't sound to me like the right thing to do and I am pretty sure no one would like to lose their paint like that

On 2/23/2024 at 7:05 AM, Devoid said:

I recently saw a post in the in-game news tab encouraging players to join/create a parkour club…I’d be interested in seeing how many people clicked on that link. That’d be a good indicator of how well that promotion went. Not to be a “Debbie-Downer”, but I’d bet it didn’t get many clicks, and thus didn’t garner much new interest in parkour…

As for the special game modes (like the one we recently saw a couple weeks back), the physics are the old HTML5 physics, which is both annoying for those that DO enjoy parkour already, and is misleading for people that might one day get involved with it. Those physics might make such “newbies” feel that nothing cool is possible in parkour, and if they’re disconnected from social media, that might be the only time they are exposed to “parkour” (and that’s fairly problematic). Oh, and this most recent mode didn’t even have Lightweight augments of either type equipped, so it was just basically a DM mode where you’re limited to a specific combo…Not something people would play much of, unless there’s a significant increase in gold box rates to give players an alternative and wrong reason to play it.

Maybe you could try passing along to Marcus that we need Lightweight augments to make such modes useful/truly enjoyable. I do think it is a good way of getting people interested in parkour for the first time or once again, but that’s really only possible with the change I mentioned above.

Oh, it was me who wrote that "post" and requested it to be published there (and it was about creating a Parkour Club, not about joining a Parkour Club), I'd also be interested in seeing how many people clicked on that link. Anyway, I am not sure what point you are trying to make by saying that you bet it didn't get many clicks, that "post" was not meant to garner much new interest in Parkour

About the special game modes (not sure why you are talking about multiple special game modes, wasn't there only 1 special game mode related to Parkour recently?), I had no role in the creation of those special game modes and I don't think any Parkour player had any role in it either (otherwise, maybe they would've been better). Anyway, you have some good points, I will try to inform Marcus that we need Extreme Lightweight Construction augments to make such modes useful or truly enjoyable

Adab · February 27, 2024

On 2/25/2024 at 6:06 PM, HorizonZeroDawn said:

Will this discussion lead to something or just nothing again? I would like to dont have parkour paints and just do parkour and videos.

Which discussion led to nothing? I think every discussion led to something

Parkour paints will not be removed from Tanki Online, you can simply not apply to join Parkour Club Programs if you do not want a Parkour paint (and if your Parkour Club is already in a Parkour Club Program, your Parkour Club can leave the program at any time or you can leave your Parkour Club and create a new Parkour Club and not apply to join Parkour Club Programs)

Adab · February 27, 2024

On 1/25/2024 at 3:24 AM, PopSmoke said:

I feel like the 1500 supplies / 200k crystals are a relic of the past.

In current parkouring players spent a lot of hours maybe even 4-5 hours at a time trying out new tricks and perfecting them. Also in the present-day economy where defender drone or trickster drone using up to 5 supplies at a time, they exhaust around 2500-4000 or even more in those 2-3 hours of parkouring.

Also note that parkour players are MM players too, they would need supplies or crystals to upgrade gear and use in MM. Hence 1500 supplies as the support is pretty less imo. Also by the time you are done making enough tricks for a 1 minute video you blow around 6k or more which in return you only get 1500 as support.
I would put the amount 3000-5000 or 400K crystals a as a valid number.

So I would request the Parkour Manager or whoever is responsible to maybe convince the developers.
This is only fair to the parkour community since we are here to provide entertainment to the Tankers as well as enjoy it ourself.

On 2/5/2024 at 11:18 PM, PopSmoke said:

Thanks for taking the time to reply @Adab, we should be encouraging parkour to more new players also introduce some more parkour contests , amazing prizes, and better support. And as we players, you are the only one we can directly tell our issues, because you have the credibility to present it to the EN community Manager. Since you are the voice of us parkour players.

So I humbly request you to ask Marcus or whoever it is to make more parkour contests each year (because now we only have MOP and rest of the year is just dry) and also please for a better support.
We must make sure parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki, rather a bigger and ever-growing community. (You said you could try to ask the community manager, so I requesting you to give it one more shot)

Maybe 1m crystals seem like a huge number and its highly unlikely he may accept. I suggest start with either 500k crystals and 4000 supplies as support. And being a bit more easier in the rules for official status.

Hopefully this will be taken into consideration.

By the way, are you aware that Supported Parkour Clubs can get Support Resources for each video they publish? And that each video just has to be at least 1 minute long and related to Parkour to get approved for Support Resources? Just making sure whether you are aware of these things, because that may help me understand your concerns better and may even help me understand how many players are aware of them

And may I know with or in what exactly are you talking about being a bit more easier in the rules for "official status"? I forgot to ask you this question before

Devoid · February 28, 2024

On 2/27/2024 at 11:44 PM, Adab said:

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On 2/27/2024 at 11:44 PM, Adab said:

The discussion was not about letting clubs keep their paints/status through unfair or wrong situations, that's why I didn't mention anything about it. There wasn't any rule that said clubs would lose paint if they missed deadlines, so I am not sure what you are talking about

Are you suggesting that clubs should have lost their paint for missing deadlines? If yes, that doesn't sound to me like the right thing to do and I am pretty sure no one would like to lose their paint like that

If you’re going to take steps to further bureaucratize parkour within this game, you have to go the full nine yards, not skimp on any part. There are so many reasons for people to not support your rules, and double standards like this one in question are great examples of your wishy-washy stance on all things parkour.

On 2/27/2024 at 11:44 PM, Adab said:

Oh, it was me who wrote that "post" and requested it to be published there (and it was about creating a Parkour Club, not about joining a Parkour Club), I'd also be interested in seeing how many people clicked on that link. Anyway, I am not sure what point you are trying to make by saying that you bet it didn't get many clicks, that "post" was not meant to garner much new interest in Parkour

Then what exactly was the point? No person currently in the parkour community will ever look to create a new club. All your new rules favor older clubs to no avail. Everyone can understand that. If you can’t, it further shows just how out of touch you are with the community you govern.

On 2/27/2024 at 11:44 PM, Adab said:

About the special game modes (not sure why you are talking about multiple special game modes, wasn't there only 1 special game mode related to Parkour recently?)

Dear holy deity, please forgive me for my mistake! My sincerest apologies for not remembering every minuscule, irrelevant detail about this game that I never play!

Edited February 28, 2024 by Dopamine
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Helios · February 28, 2024

On 2/28/2024 at 12:21 AM, Adab said:

By the way, are you aware that Supported Parkour Clubs can get Support Resources for each video they publish? And that each video just has to be at least 1 minute long and related to Parkour to get approved for Support Resources? Just making sure whether you are aware of these things, because that may help me understand your concerns better and may even help me understand how many players are aware of them

And may I know with or in what exactly are you talking about being a bit more easier in the rules for "official status"? I forgot to ask you this question before

Yeah I am aware we get support for each video posted with a minimum 1 minute mark. It is pretty easy to abuse this rule to get a lot of support for very little work. But our parkour club right now focuses a lot on quality and quantity of the trick. This way we make less videos (sometimes not even 1 per month) but the ones we create are near proffesional and more entertaining to the viewers. Again this hugely depends on team members and their time.

About making official status of parkour clubs easier, it was a misunderstanding from my part, I thought we needed 100 videos+ to get official status.
I think what I wanted to say was taking away the phoenix paint from a lot of people who already owned it. Right now our club is almost close to Onyx paint, but I fear the rules can be changed any time and any ways, even if we have the paint it could go tomorrow and there is no reliability.

Personally if me and my team grind our time and supplies to reach a special milestone such as phoenix or onyx, we need it forever, chnage of rules int he future should not affect what was given in the past. Same goes for losing the paint for getting kicked from the club. Lets say I spent a lot of my time helping the club and they kick me for no reason or simply to mess with you, you lose something you actually worked hard and aimed for.

Adab · March 4, 2024

On 2/28/2024 at 9:14 AM, Devoid said:

If you’re going to take steps to further bureaucratize parkour within this game, you have to go the full nine yards, not skimp on any part. There are so many reasons for people to not support your rules, and double standards like this one in question are great examples of your wishy-washy stance on all things parkour.

Bureaucratizing parkour within this game was never my goal and it still is not my goal, and it probably never will be my goal. May I know what double standards you are talking about? There may be so many reasons for people to not support the Parkour Rules, but there may also be so many reasons for people to support it, so what is your point? I never had a "wishy-washy" stance on all things parkour and everybody knows that. With all due respect, perhaps this comical above post of yours that nobody cared about is a great example of your wishy-washy stance on all things that I do

On 2/28/2024 at 9:14 AM, Devoid said:

Then what exactly was the point? No person currently in the parkour community will ever look to create a new club. All your new rules favor older clubs to no avail. Everyone can understand that. If you can’t, it further shows just how out of touch you are with the community you govern.

I thought the point was obvious, the point was to convince players to create their own Parkour Clubs, the point was not to garner "much new" interest in Parkour (it is weird to hope or expect that one post to garner much new interest in Parkour). The Parkour Rules does not favor older Parkour Clubs to no avail, and nor does it only favor such Parkour Clubs, everyone can understand that. And by the way, I do not "govern" any community

On 2/28/2024 at 9:14 AM, Devoid said:

Dear holy deity, please forgive me for my mistake! My sincerest apologies for not remembering every minuscule, irrelevant detail about this game that I never play!

Do not call me a holy deity, because I am not a holy deity, I am just a mere mortal who is volunteering as a Parkour Clubs Manager and replying to your amazing forum posts. I did not know that you never play this game, I was simply seeking confirmation from you on whether there was only 1 special mode related to Parkour recently (because I did not play many special modes recently and I was not sure whether there was only 1 special mode related to Parkour recently), I was not pointing any error on your part

Adab · March 4, 2024

On 2/28/2024 at 2:10 PM, PopSmoke said:

Yeah I am aware we get support for each video posted with a minimum 1 minute mark. It is pretty easy to abuse this rule to get a lot of support for very little work. But our parkour club right now focuses a lot on quality and quantity of the trick. This way we make less videos (sometimes not even 1 per month) but the ones we create are near proffesional and more entertaining to the viewers. Again this hugely depends on team members and their time.

Okay, I don't think it is pretty easy to abuse it to get a lot of "support" for very little work, Support Resources are given for each video that is at least 2 minutes long and has at least 8 Parkour tricks, not for "each video posted with a minimum 1 minute mark", by mistake I wrote "each video just has to be at least 1 minute long and related to Parkour to get approved for Support Resources" in one of my above forum posts. You can also get a lot of Support Resources for a lot of work by the way (but yes, that will require a lot of work)

On 2/28/2024 at 2:10 PM, PopSmoke said:

About making official status of parkour clubs easier, it was a misunderstanding from my part, I thought we needed 100 videos+ to get official status.
I think what I wanted to say was taking away the phoenix paint from a lot of people who already owned it. Right now our club is almost close to Onyx paint, but I fear the rules can be changed any time and any ways, even if we have the paint it could go tomorrow and there is no reliability.

Personally if me and my team grind our time and supplies to reach a special milestone such as phoenix or onyx, we need it forever, chnage of rules int he future should not affect what was given in the past. Same goes for losing the paint for getting kicked from the club. Lets say I spent a lot of my time helping the club and they kick me for no reason or simply to mess with you, you lose something you actually worked hard and aimed for.

Ah okay, well, isn't everything in our world not permanent? Let's not focus too much on uncertainty :smile:

Helios · March 5, 2024

On 3/5/2024 at 12:04 AM, Adab said:

Okay, I don't think it is pretty easy to abuse it to get a lot of "support" for very little work, Support Resources are given for each video that is at least 2 minutes long and has at least 8 Parkour tricks, not for "each video posted with a minimum 1 minute mark", by mistake I wrote "each video just has to be at least 1 minute long and related to Parkour to get approved for Support Resources" in one of my above forum posts. You can also get a lot of Support Resources for a lot of work by the way (but yes, that will require a lot of work)

Ah okay, well, isn't everything in our world not permanent? Let's not focus too much on uncertainty

Agreed but doesnt change the fact that, whatever the person grinded for was taken from him in an instant. Here, this being a game and not real life. I understand taking the paint away from a person if he used hacks or broke any of the EULA rules. But otherwise, I firmly stand on my opinion that, once someone earns something for which is spent time on, it should be permanent in the garage.

Adab · March 5, 2024

On 3/5/2024 at 9:52 PM, PopSmoke said:

Agreed but doesnt change the fact that, whatever the person grinded for was taken from him in an instant. Here, this being a game and not real life. I understand taking the paint away from a person if he used hacks or broke any of the EULA rules. But otherwise, I firmly stand on my opinion that, once someone earns something for which is spent time on, it should be permanent in the garage.

Ahh I feel you, I also honestly feel bad that they (including me) lost the Phoenix paint or the Aero paint, but the thing is such paints were never given permanently, and they were not taken away in an instant, players were made aware in advance that they would lose the paint. And I frankly don't think it is currently possible to make such paints be given permanently without drastically changing what such paints mean, aaand we all know that a drastic change in what such paints mean will not end well, don't we? The good thing is, players can still try to get such paints back, but this time in a better and fairer manner. You can earn paints permanently from Parkour contests, I think things are balanced this way (Parkour contests for permanent paints, and Parkour Clubs for temporary paints)

Devoid · March 7, 2024

On 3/4/2024 at 4:44 PM, Adab said:

Bureaucratizing parkour within this game was never my goal and it still is not my goal, and it probably never will be my goal. May I know what double standards you are talking about?

As I attempted to illustrate in the past but I will try to make clearer - An example is that clubs applying for the Official Status and/or Club Support are held to a very strict standard; if they miss a deadline, they are automatically rejected and told to re-apply in the future. Meanwhile, clubs that already possess the Official Status or are a part of the Club Support seemingly cannot be kicked out of such programs for the same violation (at least, there's never been a public example of a club losing their membership in either of these programs for this offense). Yet, the rules make it clear they apply to both clubs looking to join these programs AND clubs already in the same programs - a double standard...

On 3/4/2024 at 4:44 PM, Adab said:

I thought the point was obvious, the point was to convince players to create their own Parkour Clubs, the point was not to garner "much new" interest in Parkour (it is weird to hope or expect that one post to garner much new interest in Parkour).

But still then...What's the point behind this? If there is not the goal of getting new people into our community, then there will remain a numbered quantity of people within this parkour community. This in mind, it appears, then, that you're suggesting that people already in clubs break off to form their own new clubs. That will actually have a negative impact, thanks to the rule listed below:

"3.1.15. A player can only be a Member of 1 Club at a time. In other words, a player cannot be a Member of more than 1 Club simultaneously."

We could have a hundred different clubs in our community, but that above rule makes it so that each of these clubs will be hindered in producing videos because the pool of parkourists they can make videos with is finite, and they will have difficulties in adding members. Unless, of course, you're okay with members of other clubs being seen in videos of other clubs as "helpers" or something of that sort, which, then, effectively makes the rule above pointless and another example of a double standard...

On 3/4/2024 at 4:44 PM, Adab said:

The Parkour Rules does not favor older Parkour Clubs to no avail, and nor does it only favor such Parkour Clubs, everyone can understand that.

I have seen first-hand how difficult it is to see activity in a parkour club that is not providing a paint to their members. Unfortunately though, now these paints are selectively available to clubs that have 30+ videos, as that is what is required for the "Gold Tier" of Parkour Club Support that gives out a paint, and that tier is also required to successively get the Official Status and a paint this alternative way. The only clubs with that have published this many videos are ones that have been around for more than half a decade (hence, can be considered "old" by the standards of how long our parkour community has been around).

This is what I mean by there being a favoring...New clubs/clubs without 30+ videos are at a disadvantage, as they don't possess means to get a paint that can spike activity levels.

On 3/4/2024 at 4:44 PM, Adab said:

And by the way, I do not "govern" any community

You quite literally do.

You decide whether clubs do/do not meet the rules of this community, and you represent our interests in front of the Parkour Community Administrators. Both of these actions are what people that govern do...

Adab · March 8, 2024

On 3/7/2024 at 11:53 PM, Devoid said:

As I attempted to illustrate in the past but I will try to make clearer - An example is that clubs applying for the Official Status and/or Club Support are held to a very strict standard; if they miss a deadline, they are automatically rejected and told to re-apply in the future. Meanwhile, clubs that already possess the Official Status or are a part of the Club Support seemingly cannot be kicked out of such programs for the same violation (at least, there's never been a public example of a club losing their membership in either of these programs for this offense). Yet, the rules make it clear they apply to both clubs looking to join these programs AND clubs already in the same programs - a double standard...

It is not true that they are automatically rejected and told to re-apply in the future if they miss a deadline, only Supported Parkour Clubs and Official Parkour Clubs have to publish at least 1 video every 12 weeks. May I know how clubs that already possess the "Official Status" or are a part of the "Club Support" seemingly cannot be kicked out of such programs for the same violation? Where do the rules make it clear they apply to both clubs looking to join these programs AND clubs already in the same programs? I think you didn't read the rules properly

On 3/7/2024 at 11:53 PM, Devoid said:

But still then...What's the point behind this? If there is not the goal of getting new people into our community, then there will remain a numbered quantity of people within this parkour community. This in mind, it appears, then, that you're suggesting that people already in clubs break off to form their own new clubs. That will actually have a negative impact, thanks to the rule listed below:

"3.1.15. A player can only be a Member of 1 Club at a time. In other words, a player cannot be a Member of more than 1 Club simultaneously."

We could have a hundred different clubs in our community, but that above rule makes it so that each of these clubs will be hindered in producing videos because the pool of parkourists they can make videos with is finite, and they will have difficulties in adding members. Unless, of course, you're okay with members of other clubs being seen in videos of other clubs as "helpers" or something of that sort, which, then, effectively makes the rule above pointless and another example of a double standard...

I said that the point was not to garner "much new" interest in Parkour with that one post, I never said that there is not the goal of getting new people into our community...

My plan is to garner "much new" interest in Parkour with multiple posts, not with just that one post

And no, I am not suggesting that people already in clubs break off to form their own new clubs

Players are only not allowed to be a "Member" of more than 1 Parkour Club at a time, so I am of course okay with members of other clubs being seen in videos of other clubs as "helpers" or something of that sort, I never said I am not okay with that and nor do we have any rule that says Members of a particular Parkour Club must only contribute or help their Parkour Club. It doesn't effectively make the rule above pointless and is not an example of a double standard, because allowing a player to only be a Member of 1 Parkour Club means the player will get Support Resources, etc. only from 1 Parkour Club

On 3/7/2024 at 11:53 PM, Devoid said:

I have seen first-hand how difficult it is to see activity in a parkour club that is not providing a paint to their members. Unfortunately though, now these paints are selectively available to clubs that have 30+ videos, as that is what is required for the "Gold Tier" of Parkour Club Support that gives out a paint, and that tier is also required to successively get the Official Status and a paint this alternative way. The only clubs with that have published this many videos are ones that have been around for more than half a decade (hence, can be considered "old" by the standards of how long our parkour community has been around).

This is what I mean by there being a favoring...New clubs/clubs without 30+ videos are at a disadvantage, as they don't possess means to get a paint that can spike activity levels.

But the Parkour Rules also favors new Parkour Clubs and Parkour Clubs without 30+ videos in many ways. Also, now there is a clear and well-defined path for all Parkour Clubs to get paints. Anyway, I understand that paints play a significant role in a Parkour Club's activity and success and that it is currently difficult for new Parkour Clubs and Parkour Clubs without 30+ videos to get paints, so maybe I will reduce the number of videos required in the Parkour Club Support Program to be in its Silver level to 10 (from 15) and that of its Gold level to 20 (from 30), what do you think?

And by the way, getting a paint by getting the "Official Status" is not an "alternative" way, it is just another way to obtain one more paint

On 3/7/2024 at 11:53 PM, Devoid said:

You quite literally do.

You decide whether clubs do/do not meet the rules of this community, and you represent our interests in front of the Parkour Community Administrators. Both of these actions are what people that govern do...

Then would you say that Marcus governs the Tanki Online community? Or that you governed a community because you were administrating a Discord server? I don't see what I do as "governing", because I don't think I am "governing" anything, I am just managing things as a Parkour Clubs Manager and a curator of the EN Parkour Subforum

By the way, "Parkour Community Administrators" don't exist as far as I know, but I think I understand what you mean

Devoid · March 8, 2024

On 3/7/2024 at 6:05 PM, Adab said:

I said that the point was not to garner "much new" interest in Parkour with that one post, I never said that there is not the goal of getting new people into our community...

My plan is to garner "much new" interest in Parkour with multiple posts, not with just that one post

I urge you to take other routes as well. Bringing back some parkour contests, showing this community’s content in the v-log, maybe something new even.

The more ways we can generate publicity, the more interest we can see.

On 3/7/2024 at 6:05 PM, Adab said:

It doesn't effectively make the rule above pointless and is not an example of a double standard, because allowing a player to only be a Member of 1 Parkour Club means the player will get Support Resources, etc. only from 1 Parkour Club

Then switch that rule to something along the lines of “A player can only receive support from one club. Players in more than one club must contact the Parkour Clubs Manager via forum PM, stating which club they would like to receive support from.”

Oh, and it’d be worthwhile to add a connecting rule that adds some form of opportunity for players to switch which club they are receiving support from, but also be sure to include a limit on such. Maybe this could look something like “If a player wants to change which club they are receiving support from (such as due to leaving one club yet remaining in another), they can contact the Parkour Clubs Manager via forum PM to initiate such a change. This is only permitted once per year though, so be mindful when sending such a PM.”

On 3/7/2024 at 6:05 PM, Adab said:

But the Parkour Rules also favors new Parkour Clubs and Parkour Clubs without 30+ videos in many ways.

I would love to see how. Please, do not just recite the rule(s) though, please explain clearly how this benefits new clubs/clubs without 30+ videos.

Like you’ve seen, I personally have misinterpreted your rules, and I assume I am not the only one to have done this. If you explain the background of a rule (especially in layman’s terms), all of us in this community would be appreciative, and maybe we’d actually show some more support towards you and your rules.

On 3/7/2024 at 6:05 PM, Adab said:

Anyway, I understand that paints play a significant role in a Parkour Club's activity and success and that it is currently difficult for new Parkour Clubs and Parkour Clubs without 30+ videos to get paints, so maybe I will reduce the number of videos required in the Parkour Club Support Program to be in its Silver level to 10 (from 15) and that of its Gold level to 20 (from 30), what do you think?

I think that would be better. Thank you in advance for taking my opinion into consideration.

On 3/7/2024 at 6:05 PM, Adab said:

And by the way, getting a paint by getting the "Official Status" is not an "alternative" way, it is just another way to obtain one more paint

Pedantic much?

If Helpers weren’t prohibited from making major changes in their nicknames, I’d suggest you initiate a nickname change.

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