Do you believe in evolution?

[already.dead 360]

well that is well....

 

firstly we can date bones(fossil record, carbon dating) from a time and we see a change and we can see other species of humans, if suddenly they were another species then what would be your views?

 

I'm not saying religion is not real what i am saying is that they is evidence for both cases, i mean we can't deny proof in our faces i am catholic yet evolution seems real to me.

the dating methods arent to be trusted :rolleyes:  also there are other species of humans now... like africans, the aborigines, the european white whatever and the asians etc etc.... but they havent like evolved into different species, they are still human species just a different 'kind' like different dogs cats etc

[DanTheKiller1 2,889]

I think communism should be back in our country...Everything was better then

[Psycho 586]

the dating methods arent to be trusted :rolleyes:  also there are other species of humans now... like africans, the aborigines, the european white whatever and the asians etc etc.... but they havent like evolved into different species, they are still human species just a different 'kind' like different dogs cats etc

africans, europeans, asians aren't different species we are the same species just different due to were we live, homo erectus is a different species to us we are homo sapiens

[Reckoning 178]

we did not evolve from monkeys, we are apes something very different from a monkey.

are we still evolving?

there are many questions to which we do not have an answer. nobody ever question an established fact. for example Earth is round. but there are some question and theories such as origin of universe and life,which are focal point of widely held scientific debates. evolution having certain missing links and to which it cannot provide accurate information find itself in the area of ambiguity. i cannot say its true or completely false its just that we don't know. 

[Psycho 586]

we are NOT evolving as humans have ruined natural selection, not been mean but people with bad genes and who had no chance to breed and survive now can so how can we inherit and pass on the things needed to change a whole species the only thing that will happen is we will be one single race(all have one skin colour)

Edited November 27, 2013 by Psycho

[skitee 555]

well that is well....

 

firstly we can date bones(fossil record, carbon dating) from a time and we see a change and we can see other species of humans, if suddenly they were another species then what would be your views?

 

I'm not saying religion is not real what i am saying is that they is evidence for both cases, i mean we can't deny proof in our faces i am catholic yet evolution seems real to me.

1. Carbon dating has been proven to be very inaccurate (discrepancies in the same block of rock, etc)

2. Fossil Record dating is very very tepid at best. The way the scientists date things using the fossil record is a lot of guesswork.

3. Other species of humans? What about just people who are different? Personally, I think that if a dwarf and a six-foot-eight guy died together, any geologist in the future might assume that they are different species, but they're not... they both are a form of mutant (not mutant in a bad sense, but their genes are slightly weird). The fact is that people have been different. Not to mention that the change in human "species" is hardly anything, just a different type of skull, etc - which points to MICRO-evolution and gives absolutely no support to MACRO-evolution, two very very different things which are unfortunately often overlapped. My opinion on science. :L

[CooperO 7,956]

Because I think primates a.k.a monkeys, can't evolve to us, humans. And even if monkeys did evolve, why there are monkeys (currently)?

Just to be clear: humans are primates.

 

why is there no ''half-evolved'' creatures here? why did they suddenly STOP evolving?

I will make a comparison for you. Note that it is not at all the same, it only helps me to explain why there are no half-evolved creatures.

When first computers were made, no-one thought they looked unfinished, then newer, smaller, better computers came (still computers but they changed over time) yet they didn't look unfinished. Nowadays computers look even different, but not unfinished. However, they aren't finished yet, they will keep getting changed/improved. That's how it goes with living creatures too, there is no 'finished' creature. They just keep changing a tiny tiny bit, it goes so slow nobody notices it. They are not projects that need to be finished, they just change! 

 

 

In the milk production, they want cows that:

- give a lot of milk, milk that contains the right amount of fat and proteins.

- have easy deliveries (of their calves)

- have healthy legs, hoofs etc.

So what do they do to get cows like that? They select. They look for bulls that have the right qualities, they 'match' genes. This way they are trying to 'create' better cows. This works, but it is a very slow process, if only for the fact that it takes a few years to get the next generation of producing cows. Those changes are only minor and hardly noticeable. This obviously is not a spontaneous process but done by humans. Yet it can be compared to the 'natural' evolution, which already happens when for example only the fastest lions survive in a certain area, they will get faster descendants compared to the slower lions that couldn't survive. Why? Because some of their (faster lion) genes make their muscles grow faster, makes them breath better etc. They will pass on their good genes to their descendants, making them also faster.

Another example:

 Cow bred for giving milk.

 Cow bred for the meat.

These two cows look completely different, but neither of them looks unfinished. Both cows were selected for different qualities: cow 1 for giving slightly more or better milk than others, cow 2 for having slightly more muscle weight. Cow 2 has a defect in one of the genes that makes the muscles grow a lot more, which cow 1 doesn't have. Continue to breed with cow 2 and you will have all muscular baby cows. Note: both cows descent from the same cow:

 

 

[already.dead 360]

Yea and mutations etc ''evolution'' it just messes around with the DNA, making some points stronger while other may get weaker, but all have the same DNA in the end, just different things become strongest. its not possible for DNA to make new ''dna'' stuff, it only uses the DNA it already has

[already.dead 360]

Just to be clear: humans are primates.

 

I will make a comparison for you. Note that it is not at all the same, it only helps me to explain why there are no half-evolved creatures.

When first computers were made, no-one thought they looked unfinished, then newer, smaller, better computers came (still computers but they changed over time) yet they didn't look unfinished. Nowadays computers look even different, but not unfinished. However, they aren't finished yet, they will keep getting changed/improved. That's how it goes with living creatures too, there is no 'finished' creature. They just keep changing a tiny tiny bit, it goes so slow nobody notices it. They are not projects that need to be finished, they just change! 

 

 

In the milk production, they want cows that:

- give a lot of milk, milk that contains the right amount of fat and proteins.

- have easy deliveries (of their calves)

- have healthy legs, hoofs etc.

So what do they do to get cows like that? They select. They look for bulls that have the right qualities, they 'match' genes. This way they are trying to 'create' better cows. This works, but it is a very slow process, if only for the fact that it takes a few years to get the next generation of producing cows. Those changes are only minor and hardly noticeable. This obviously is not a spontaneous process but done by humans. Yet it can be compared to the 'natural' evolution, which already happens when for example only the fastest lions survive in a certain area, they will get faster descendants compared to the slower lions that couldn't survive. Why? Because some of their (faster lion) genes make their muscles grow faster, makes them breath better etc. They will pass on their good genes to their descendants, making them also faster.

Another example:

 Cow bred for giving milk.

 Cow bred for the meat.

These two cows look completely different, but neither of them looks unfinished. Both cows were selected for different qualities: cow 1 for giving slightly more or better milk than others, cow 2 for having slightly more muscle weight. Cow 2 has a defect in one of the genes that makes the muscles grow a lot more, which cow 1 doesn't have. Continue to breed with cow 2 and you will have all muscular baby cows. Note: both cows descent from the same cow:

 

 

thats just what skit said, MICRO evolution not macro, its just a change within the species, its not making a new one

[GoldRock 6,165]

Where is the evidence for evolution? Where is ur ''missing link''? why is there no ''half-evolved'' creatures here? why did they suddenly STOP evolving?

And how can nothing ''create'' something?

take a marble for example. if u wait billions of years, will it eventually turn into a Dinosaur?

 

In my opinion (and that of the majority of scientists), all animals are, in essence, half-evolved. All animals constantly continue to evolve, albeit at a very slow rate; we ourselves are half-evolved from prehistoric man, but we have yet to evolve further. In order words, all animals are constantly evolving.

 

Take the example of us. We have an appendix... but apart from having to have it removed every now and then when it becomes inflamed, what is it for? Well, nothing really, as far as doctors/scientists can tell... It's simply what remains of our old digestive systems, say scientists; as we consumed a lot more vegetables/plants than we do now, the appendix was needed to digest all that extra fibre. But once we started eating more meat, the appendix was no longer needed. In that way, we're half-evolved ourselves - we still have unnecessary bits and pieces in our bodies from the past. 

 

A small example of evolution and natural selection:

 

- Take the prehistoric version of a horse-like creature, which consumed the leaves of certain trees.

- Now, those prehistoric four-legged animals that lived in hot countries had difficulty finding food; the trees there were quite tall, and so the leaves were hard to reach.

- By chance, due to a genetic mutation, a few of them were born with longer necks than the rest, and so could more easily reach the leaves closer to the top of the trees.

- These particular animals had a better chance of survival, and reproduced, producing more longer-necked horse-like creatures.

- Eventually, these particular animals evolved into its own species as their necks grew longer through each generation - the giraffe.

- The remaining, shorter-necked animals found ways of gradually changing their diet to grass (and other low-lying plants) in order to have a better chance of survival.

- There you have it - the prehistoric ancestors of giraffes and horses became two distinct species.

 

Of course, evolution is just a theory. However, I personally believe it is a well-supported, justified one.

 

It's interesting to see the diverse views here; in England, the majority would agree with evolution. Just goes to show the differences in culture and belief which make us individual as human beings  ^_^

 

Did we ask you to give us a lecture to tell us what we think?

[rant]

 

I believe the point of this topic was for discussion of our various opinions. I am simply giving the reasons why I believe evolution to be correct. Sorry, but we are all entitled to share our opinions...

 

I am not the only person on this topic to have shares opinions and reasons for them either. Why didn't you ask that question to @already.dead, who was arguing against evolution?

 

The answer is: you only said that because you disagree with what I'm saying, and you wanted to 'embarass' me for sharing my opinion.

 

[/rant]

Edited November 27, 2013 by GoldRock

[Reckoning 178]

Just to be clear: humans are primates.

 

I will make a comparison for you. Note that it is not at all the same, it only helps me to explain why there are no half-evolved creatures.

When first computers were made, no-one thought they looked unfinished, then newer, smaller, better computers came (still computers but they changed over time) yet they didn't look unfinished. Nowadays computers look even different, but not unfinished. However, they aren't finished yet, they will keep getting changed/improved. That's how it goes with living creatures too, there is no 'finished' creature. They just keep changing a tiny tiny bit, it goes so slow nobody notices it. They are not projects that need to be finished, they just change! 

so in other terms, after a certain period of time from now,us human will look different from our present state? is that what you are trying to imply?

[CooperO 7,956]

its not possible for DNA to make new ''dna'' stuff, it only uses the DNA it already has

This is actually possible. DNA transcription, translation and more is such a delicate process, many things can go wrong, from building in a wrong base (which might encode for similar but different protein) to removing a base (loss of function) to even duplicating an entire gene.

 

Unless you mean by DNA the bases adenine, guanine, thymine and cytosine. In that case, yes it has to use those, any other bases will result malfunctions and worst case scenario: death.

 

Final note: by writing all this I'm not trying to convince people evolution is how the earth and everything on it was created nor that there is no god, because I simply don't know that. All I want to say here is that evolution changed the earth and everything on it to what it is now.

[r_DarknessRising0 59]

ok gold i didn't understand that but i think u forgot to put 'I am wrong, flea is the greatest'

[GoldRock 6,165]

so in other terms, after a certain period of time from now,us human will look different from our present state? is that what you are trying to imply?

I think she implied something similar, yes. Just as humans looked different thousands of years ago to what they do now.

 

ok gold i didn't understand that but i think u forgot to put 'I am wrong, flea is the greatest'

Unfortunately, I disagree with that suggestion :P

Edited November 27, 2013 by GoldRock

[Psycho 586]

 

 

basically over time we will change so we can survive if it gets hotter our skins will be darker if an ice age the worlds population will have light skin.

[already.dead 360]

Take the example of us. We have an appendix... but apart from having to have it removed every now and then when it becomes inflamed, what is it for? Well, nothing really, as far as doctors/scientists can tell... It's simply what remains of our old digestive systems, say scientists; as we consumed a lot more vegetables/plants than we do now, the appendix was needed to digest all that extra fibre. But once we started eating more meat, the appendix was no longer needed. In that way, we're half-evolved ourselves - we still have unnecessary bits and pieces in our bodies from the past.

Not to bring religion into this or anything, but i just had to point this out.

(i personally am a Christian yes and believe in the 6 day creation)

 

 

This fits perfectly with the Bible as in the beginning they didn't eat meat :) (ik this doesn't mean anything to u but i had to point it out :P

[GoldRock 6,165]

Not to bring religion into this or anything, but i just had to point this out.

(i personally am a Christian yes and believe in the 6 day creation)

 

 

This fits perfectly with the Bible as in the beginning they didn't eat meat :) (ik this doesn't mean anything to u but i had to point it out :P

Interesting to see how religion and science often overlap. I'm personally an atheist, but I still find such instances fascinating; religion contains many moral and practical truths, in my view. Thanks for sharing that fact :P

[kingeoin14 30]

I'm a hardcore militant athiest myself, and have little tolerance for creationism. But, I guess I'll let it slide just because I have a history with very few bans.

[r_Zesx0 39]

What? What does that mean if you're a communist? This has nothing to do with Evolution, I think. Leaders of China are communists, thought.

[kingeoin14 30]

What? What does that mean if you're a communist? This has nothing to do with Evolution, I think. Leaders of China are communists, thought.

The stereotype often used by religous people are that all communists are Atheist. 

[r_Zesx0 39]

The stereotype often used by religous people are that all communists are Atheist. 

True story. I hate communists.

[kingeoin14 30]

True story. I hate communists.

The communist ideology is sound, but fails when you introduce actual people to it. People always cheat the system. Anyway, not all Atheists are communists- very few are in reality.

[DirtFighter 199]

Evolution is a flawed "Theory" Even Darwin admitted it had problems. If you look closely at biological systems a lot of them can not function if you take away a single component. Take for instance an eye ball, If you take away 1 single ingredient of all that it takes to make an eye ball function it will not work at all...so how did an eye ball evolve from a single cell creature if it can not work unless all parts are there. The probability of a single protein required in the building blocks of life life being created from random chance is like 1 to the 167th power (I am not sure of the exact number)  for 1 single part. So the explanation for 100's of billions of years for evolution to take place in reality it would take 100's of times longer to have made 1 single protein to even start the process of life. Also of you look at just the biological systems of the human body it would seem each system is very complex and for all the complex systems to work together (skeletal, muscular, cardio vascular, nervous and so on) to make us work seems to me to have a specific purpose which suggest a design for then all to work together. If you have a design then you have to have a designer. This planet is also in the perfect location in the universe for all this to support life. Even with the astronomical probabilities of random chance you still have to have the environment to support such a possibility which in it self is an astronomical possibility. 

 

I am just an average regular person. I do believe in God and I am a Christian, however I believed all this before I believed in God. This thought process I guess helped to pull me toward believing in God. 

After pondering these things on evolution, the existence of God just made sense to me. After studying the Bible ( and I was very skeptical) I have come to believe the good book 

[LiquidGold 1,370]

my views can not be expressed here... and yes evolution took place

[whodat34 58]

How about i am religious.

 

i am as well